SDNWorld Redux - Casting Call & Planning

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2008-07-30 05:25pm

Setzer wrote:Hmmm.... So.... hypothetically speaking, could an invader secretly hire PRISEC companies to raise hell behind the lines?

Oh yes, it'd definitely be possible to hire an unscrupulous security company to do fifth column work. Not easy to get away with for long, because the Board has intelligence agencies looking out for that sort of thing, but possible.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2008-07-30 05:42pm

Coyote wrote:I'm not too keen on an "apocalypse redux" scenario too.

Havig grealistic options is one thing, but let's remember-- a "civilian research plane" in military colors overflew another nation on an unannounced "test flight" and was shot down.

And even though the pilots survived, the AA site was nuked, knowing full well a village was in the effect radius.

That is not "a full range of options" that is 100% "lookin' for a fight".

If a real life military was faced by that situation it would have sent up a fighter to identify the intruder, AND THEN decided if it was to be shot down. You don’t just blow anything and everything out of the sky when it could be one of your own aircraft with a bad IFF transponder or some random airliner. Even if the Soviets didn’t just volley off missiles at first contact when they shot down those Korean airliners.

Raj Ahten · Post by **Raj Ahten** » 2008-07-30 05:43pm

Heh, Seigetank I'm wondering how your economy functions if there are major riots all the time. How does a shop stay solvent if it gets looted and burned down every two years or so?

I bet gated communities are quite popular, for both business and living in. It's the poor people who have to live in the urban war zones!

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2008-07-30 05:55pm

For the record, if anyone wants to launch a pre-emptive attack on Shep, the Old Dominion will not host such an attack, and will shoot down/detain/intern anyone who violates our airspace in the course of said attack.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-07-30 09:11pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:If a real life military was faced by that situation it would have sent up a fighter to identify the intruder, AND THEN decided if it was to be shot down. You don’t just blow anything and everything out of the sky when it could be one of your own aircraft with a bad IFF transponder or some random airliner. Even if the Soviets didn’t just volley off missiles at first contact when they shot down those Korean airliners.

ERm.. the Diocese has no aircraft?

Coiler · Post by **Coiler** » 2008-07-30 09:18pm

Here's my country's profile, as well as the name and history of the third world continent.

Coilerburg

Occupying a peninsula on the continent of Frequesue, the nation of Coilerburg is a contrast to much of the rest of the continent in terms of living standards, economic strength, and ethnic composition. Its past actions have also made it partially responsible for the sorry state that Frequesue is in now.

Because the land that would become Coilerburg was very sparsely populated in comparison to the rest of the Frequesueian continent, the bulk of the nation's population is not native Frequesueians, but rather the descendants of immigrants from other nations. Since Coilerburg spent the colonial period of Frequesue as an independent, westernized nation and not a downtrodden colony, it was able to become more industrialized, prosperous, militarily strong, and stable than much of the rest of the continent-though arguably no more politically free, as Coilerburg has been dominated by a single political party for almost all of its existence.

In the postcolonial period, as Frequesue devolved into the hellhole that it is today, Coilerburg happened to be under the rule of one its worst dictators, President Clancy Oswald Iler. Iler was a deranged, megalomanaic man of little paitence and questionable intellegence, who saw the conventional disparity in military strength between Coilerburg and its neighbors and took it to mean that Coilerburg could easily conquer much of Frequesue. He immediately began planning a war.

For all Frequesueians, the summer of 1969 was not the best days of their lives, for it was when Coilerburg launched its huge campaign of conquest. Although Coilerburg easily smashed the conventional armies of the nations in its path and took large amounts of territory, a huge lack of manpower and an inherently hostile population led to a long, vicious, and ultimately successful guerilla campaign against the occupying armies. The guerillas were helped by Iler's insistence that the mountainous Frequesueian nation of Minoy and its plentiful resources be conquered. The extremely rugged terrain offered an excellent natural defense for Minoy and caused many logisitical problems for the Coilerburgian armies, with the result that many thousands of men who could have helped suppress the insurgencies were instead thrown into the grinder at Minoy, dying in droves without taking over the country.

By 1975, Coilerburg was extremely strained by the war. In that year, a coalition of Frequesueian nations launched a conventional counteroffensive that succeeded in regaining territory. In November of that year, Iler was overthrown and Coilerburg's forces withdrawn back to their homeland.

The war cost an estimated 140,000 Coilerburgian and millions of other Frequesueian lives. Much of the colonial and postcolonial infrastructure in Frequesue was ruined, and the militants who took up arms against Coilerburg turned on each other when that nation withdrew.

Iler's War is citied along with colonialism as a key cause of Frequesue's current woes. Over thirty years after the final Coilerburg troops left, its wounds are still visible on Frequesue.

More of Coilerburg's history to be added later.....

Raj Ahten · Post by **Raj Ahten** » 2008-07-30 09:29pm

Coiler posting on his nation's history reminds me that I should do the same. I really like the idea of there being some history between everyone when the game starts. It adds plenty of depth to the world. Though we certainly don't have to write up a detailed history of the world or anything.

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2008-07-31 03:15am

Raj Ahten wrote:Heh, Seigetank I'm wondering how your economy functions if there are major riots all the time. How does a shop stay solvent if it gets looted and burned down every two years or so? I bet gated communities are quite popular, for both business and living in. It's the poor people who have to live in the urban war zones!

Bulletproof windows are very popular

. Really, most of the inner city is reasonably calm and well-policed, most shopping centers, industrial zones, etc. out in the sprawl are guarded by PRISEC, and gated communities are indeed popular these days.

Most of the riots etc. happen in poor Sprawl blocks that lack the dineros to hire proper security. But only poor people and foreign immigrants live there, and no-one really cares about them. Also, even in the Sprawl I'd expect many shop owners to have some form of hired security (be it paid thugs with guns or as part of a local mob boss' protection racket).

EDIT: I also like the idea of a common history on the continent a lot. Perhaps my guys could've sold the Frequesueians the weaponry they needed to kick Coilerburg's armies in the balls? A war like that sounds like an excellent opportunity to make a few bucks...

Karmic Knight · Post by **Karmic Knight** » 2008-07-31 06:52am

If no one minds, Shroomanian is gaining another former Colony that mainly exports fine wines and other forms of alcohol.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-07-31 06:58am

Karmic Knight wrote:If no one minds, Shroomanian is gaining another former Colony that mainly exports fine wines and other forms of alcohol.

What! There's a competitor to fine Greek wines!

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-07-31 07:06am

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote: What! There's a competitor to fine Greek wines!

I suggest you nuke him immediately!

After some thinking, I've decided to still participate...against my better judgement, I'm sure. I'll get on writing up a national history and updating the infrastructural map.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-07-31 07:10am

PeZook wrote:I suggest you nuke him immediately!

After some thinking, I've decided to still participate...against my better judgement, I'm sure. I'll get on writing up a national history and updating the infrastructural map.

Da! It won't do well for me to go wipe out every single competitor. Greek food and Turk food (and Italian) shall still dominate the Mediterranean.

And I ought to write up a bit on modern history. I'll wait for yours though, since yours will make things prickly and tricky. I wonder how Stas will weave in the October revolution however.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-07-31 07:12am

Heh

We should agree on a name for our continent, though. I'm for something simple, like the Old Continent, or maybe something nice in Latin

Karmic Knight · Post by **Karmic Knight** » 2008-07-31 07:18am

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote: What! There's a competitor to fine Greek wines!

We are merely a local power, fear no competition from us.

At least while we are cut off from any major nations or alliances.

Raj Ahten · Post by **Raj Ahten** » 2008-07-31 07:20am

PeZook wrote:
Fingolfin_Noldor wrote: What! There's a competitor to fine Greek wines!
I suggest you nuke him immediately!

After some thinking, I've decided to still participate...against my better judgement, I'm sure. I'll get on writing up a national history and updating the infrastructural map.

Good to still have you in. As long as people don't start breaking out "doomsday" weapons (cobalt laced bombs, immense bioweapons programs and the like) we ought to be better off; especially if distances are greater. Last time everyone was on each other's doorstep. Basicaly that meant any problem was basicaly a problem for everyone. Perhaps this time some distance will add security and some problems can just be "just" regional in nature.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-07-31 07:29am

YAY! SUPERBESTFRIEND KING PAUL-SAN IS BACK IN THE GAME!

^____________^

I shall work up something for Shroomania then!

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-07-31 07:34am

Brief history of the Constitutional Republic of PeZookia, Part I

Emergence and the early Dark Ages

PeZookia was one of the major players of the Old Continent for much of its history. Originally arising as a national entity around the Xth century, by act of Shroomanian Emperor KitchenMittens II, granting the first PeZookian King - Carl I - lands east of the Empire.

As vassals of Shroomanian royalty, PeZookian rulers set upon expanding their lands towards the East, setting the base of a long standing ethincal hatred between PeZookians and other Slavic people of the region. Nearly two hundred years later, thanks to a marriage-alliance with Byzantium, PeZookia felt strong enough to challenge its Shroomanian senior openly. The Eastern Alliance attacked Shroomania and in a great battle near the village of Fieldia managed to defeat the united army of Emperor Gayus III, finally winning inpendence...and making another long-standing enemy.

Late Dark Ages

By mid 1200s, PeZookia rose to prominence as a relatively modern country, exporting many important resources to other nations of the continent. For a long time, PeZookia's power remained unchallenged, especially since territorial losses of the Shroomanian Empire have crippled the country militarily for the time being.

All of this lasted untill 1276, when PeZookian prince Vladyslaw was granted his own fiefdom in the strongly contested Southern Provinces. These shore regions were populated mostly by uncivilized tribes, and the newly appointed Prince was given the task of fully integrated the area into PeZookia proper.

To aid him in this task, the prince invited a Shroomanian knightly order, the Knights Hospitaller Of The Pink Cross, promising them land in exchange for military aid.

The Order performed admirably, however it had no intention of actually satisfying themselves with land granted them by Vladyslav. His dependence upon the Knight's aid resulted in the Order quickly securing a not-insignificant province for themselves. In fifty years, they have managed to build a powerful country in what was once considered PeZookian territorry.

This had to lead to conflict. Despite calls to end the Great Crusade, the Knights Of The Pink Cross continued raids into surrounding lands, often coming into direct confrontation with PeZookian nobles. Eventually, the King was forced to act. In a series of wars lasting from 1296-1378, the Order was finally defeated by the Eastern Alliance in the Battle Of Brenna, breaking its strenght and forcing their lands into PeZookian vassalage.

Reneissance and the Fall

The end of the Dark Ages has met PeZookia in a state of security: their armies were unmatched, the economy was strong, and scientific discovery promised new opportunities for the people. However, internal trouble would soon bring an end to the golden era.

By the end of the 1500s, the noblemen of PeZookia have started to accumulate disproportionate amount of power. Since the PeZookian army was still based on the feudal model, it was quickly becoming outdated and overdependent on the co-operation of the nobility, who started demanding new priviledges for every war they participated in.

Eventually, the eastern neighbors of PeZookia - a loose coalition of Slavic states - have managed to take advantage of the situation, splintering the country from within with bribes and political brinkmanship. Byzantium, having long ago abandoned PeZookia due to their own problems, did not intervene. The fifty-year Iflantian War (1620-1672) resulted in catastrophe for PeZookia, which was forced to cede much of its territorry to the emerging Slavic state to the East, ruining its economy and leaving it at the mercy of its western neighbor, Shroomania.

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Let me know if I need to change anything, especially with relation to foreign politics

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-07-31 07:37am

Raj Ahten wrote: Good to still have you in. As long as people don't start breaking out "doomsday" weapons (cobalt laced bombs, immense bioweapons programs and the like) we ought to be better off; especially if distances are greater. Last time everyone was on each other's doorstep. Basicaly that meant any problem was basicaly a problem for everyone. Perhaps this time some distance will add security and some problems can just be "just" regional in nature.

The cobalt bombs were really a fluke ; We've decided to enter the nuclear game late, and thus had a ridiculously small arsenal. In order to dissuade people like Shep from attacking us in a hope to win a nuclear war, we've had to have a deterrent which could cause disproportionate amount of damage to the attacker.

Have we had more time to develop our nuclear stockpiles, we'd have done away with cobalt-laced bombs entirely, since these are nasty, nasty weapons.

The FUN will not be making that mistake again

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-07-31 07:45am

Come on! We were motherfucking war criminals!

As for the history of PeZookia...

Is it possible for Shroomania to be, like, England? I'm keeping the old map I used in SDN 1, so I can't really be connected to the mainland. However, we could have something like the English Channel (The Shroomish Channel!) separating Shroomania from the rest of the "Old Continent".

So while my country is economically like Germany, geographically it would be like England! While its political history would be an amalgamation!

Before the whole emergence of PeZookia, Shroomania could've looked to owning property off its eastern coasts, in the mainland. Or something.

EDIT:

Is it possible that in the 1700s, Shroomania went through a kind of French Revolution type of deal?

Queen Asphixia would flee from the Republican Revolutionaries, and the Byzantines would grant her asylum. However, upon her arrival on Constantinople, the Byzantines would've seized her and immediately burnt her upon the stake. Because.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-07-31 07:53am

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Come on! We were motherfucking war criminals!

Did I deny that?

Shroom Man 777 wrote:As for the history of PeZookia...

Is it possible for Shroomania to be, like, England? I'm keeping the old map I used in SDN 1, so I can't really be connected to the mainland. However, we could have something like the English Channel (The Shroomish Channel!) separating Shroomania from the rest of the "Old Continent".

So while my country is economically like Germany, geographically it would be like England! While its political history would be an amalgamation!

Before the whole emergence of PeZookia, Shroomania could've looked to owning property off its eastern coasts, in the mainland. Or something.

Well, historically England had quite large posessions on the mainland, so this shouldn't pose a problem: Shroomanian nobles would expand into the continent untill they've ran into nasty, hardy and fucking obstinate foreigners who just wouldn't stay conquered (PeZookian tribes

), so when those smelly furreiners finally united into something resembling a nation-state, the Emperor granted Carl I a crown, recognizing him as a "real" nation-state worthy of a place amogst the "civilized" nations of the world, and making him a Shroomanian vassal in one fell swoop, effectively dumping the task of squeezing something from PeZookia on his shoulders.

Of course, as it turned out, these lands were not quite as worthless as Emperor KitchenMittens thought, and problems began

Shroom Man 777 wrote:EDIT:

Is it possible that in the 1700s, Shroomania went through a kind of French Revolution type of deal?

Queen Asphixia would flee from the Republicans, and the Byzantines would grant her asylum. However, upon her arrival on Constantinople, the Byzantines would've seized her and immediately burnt her upon the stake. Because.

I don't see why not. This could lead to social transformation in PeZookia, as the lower classes start demanding rights, and the King granting them in order to counter the obtuse nobility which seems bent on driving the country off a cliff just to satisfy their own self-interest.

After a massive civil war, the royalty emerges triumphant, beats back a pre-Technocracian attempt to annex PeZookia and thus narrowly avoids a historical catastrophe that befell Poland in reality

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-07-31 08:08am

I'm gonna assume that since Fingolfin is keeping Byzantium, that there was a Roman Empire that preceded it.

Thus, BEHOLD!

PALEOHISTOLOGY of the SOVEREIGNTY of SHROOMANIA I

The Ancient Times:

During the Age of Obscurity, the land of Shroomania was once known as Gaybion, and the records of antiquity show that it was also called Shroomanica by some others. The Romans would regard it as a near-mythological place – west of the Old Continent and beyond a body of water allegedly home to many a sea serpent, the Shroomish Channel.

The Romanic myths were wrong with the sea serpents, and when the Legions arrived to the land, they saw that it was no paradise, but a barbarian-infested shithole instead.

For decades, under the edict of Emperor Nero Caligula, did the Felix Legion of Shroomaximus did battle against the plaid kilt-wearing hordes of Highlanders and other indigenous people who simply did not know when they’ve been conquered. But when General Shroomaximus Decimus Meridius finally slew the Highest of the Highlanders in a manly feat of unclothed combat, it was all for naught – for when news of the General’s victory reached the Empire, the Eternal City was already on fire, and the music of Emperor Nero Caligula’s harpsichord filled the air.

The land of Gaybion was forgotten soon after the epic coronation of Emperor Nero Caligula’s horse – and so General Shroomaximus took matters into his own hands.

Not recognizing the sovereignty of the new Equine Emperor’s reign, Shroomaximus declared himself to be the Emperor of a new nation, no longer Gaybion, but Shroomania!

Thus, as the Empires of old fell, a new one was born from its ashes.

(to be continued!)

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-07-31 08:34am

Gaybion

Good one!

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2008-07-31 08:39am

With a history like that it's small wonder that Shroomania ended up as such a whacky place - and why all its colonies deserted it as soon as they could

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DarthShady · Post by **DarthShady** » 2008-07-31 08:55am

I think I'm going to wait for Stas to make the map before writing my history. I would hate to have to change it later.

But the SSR(Socialist Shadow Republic) shall have an interesting history.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-07-31 08:58am

History of PeZookia wrote:The fifty-year Iflantian War (1620-1672) resulted in catastrophe for PeZookia, which was forced to cede much of its territorry to the emerging Slavic state to the East, ruining its economy and leaving it at the mercy of its western neighbor, Shroomania.

I think the Shadow Republic has been... eherm, foreshadowed!