SDNWorld Redux - Casting Call & Planning

[Shroom Man 777]

It's taking place in the mid 1800s.


Oh, and lest people forget, Shroomania also has GERMANS! Particularly Houses Schrom and VON REAGAN.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

I decided to add a bit to the little tiff between PeZookia and Shroomania.

Long a power in politics on the continent, the Byzantine Empire was reasserting itself in the geopolitical dynamic, establishing key relationships with Russia and PeZookia. Shroomania was still regarded with suspicion. Confidence and Morale had risen ever since the defeat of the Abassad Caliphate and the recapture of Jerusalem. The regaining of strategic control of the Mediterranean strengthened the hand of Byzantine Emperors. The Abassads had more or less ceded control of the Mediterranean, having lagged behind in the technology race. It was around that time that some uses for petroleum was found and Byzantium made a treaty to extract oil in Arabia and in the lands beyond Syria.

When war between PeZookia and Shroomania erupted, the Byzantine Emperor Constantine XX looking wearily at the war and wondered the implications of a Shroomanian victory. Shroomanian encroachment of the north was not welcomed, much less a possible alliance between the Shadow Empire and Shroomania. To that end, secret messages were sent to PeZookia indicating that the Byzantine Empire would possibly intervene. In the mean time, arms would be supplied to the PeZookian Army.

What was clear was that PeZookia needed aid on the naval front and in that it was decided that Byzantium would either intervene, or force the Shroomanian King to come to the table for negotiation. A letter was sent to the Shroomanian king warning him that unless the king was willing to negotiate and cease his attacks on PeZookian soil, the Imperial Byzantine Navy would be forced to "defend the interests of the Empire". The IBN was smaller than the Shroomanian navy, but by no means was it without teeth. It had well trained battle-hardened crews and veteran admirals, and the Imperial Byzantine Marines and Army had already established a fierce reputation. The Emperor awaited the response of the Shroomanian king.

[Karmic Knight]

It's taking place in the mid 1800s.

Fuck, too far.

Oh well, back to MSPainting my desired map.

[Shroom Man 777]

SUGGESTION FOR THE GAYMEAN WAR

Perhaps the higher-ups in the Shroomanian, PeZookian, and Byzantine governments would agree to a cease fire since the war was getting too tiresome?

HOWEVER, the grunts on the ground would get the message late. So while the Shroomanians negotiated for a truce/ceasefire/whatever, the Shroomcoats in Gaymera were still fighting their fighting retreat (expecting to return to wage war another day) - and the battles would see events such as The Charge of the Shroom Brigade. Then we'd see the Shroomancoats left in Gaymera slaughtered nearly to the last man.

It would be a bittersweet end to the war. The Shroomanian, PeZookian, and Byzantine honchos would proclaim peace and stuff, while there'd be countless dead Shroomanians and PeZookians in Gaymera.

The Shroomanians would stop their dickishness and start talking to PeZookia and Byzantium now - since, perhaps, cooler heads in Shroomania would prevail and we'd have the Schroms and Von Reagans argue for realpolitik while the fiery red-headed and kilt-wearing MacMillans would be going "WAR! WAR! KILL! KILL!"

Eventually the realpolitikers would win out.

So we'd see a moment of respite during the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th.

But then, no one would expect the SHADOWS!

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

But then, no one would expect the SHADOWS!

The Shadow situation is being carefully monitored.

[PeZook]

Pezook, when is this War taking place? Because I could use this as the reason The Vineyards were abandoned, if the years fit.

End of the XVIIIth century, but could be easily moved up to beginning of the XIXth. The real Battle of Ostroleka (nothing like that one, though) took place in 1831.

[Karmic Knight]

End of the XVIIIth century, but could be easily moved up to beginning of the XIXth. The real Battle of Ostroleka (nothing like that one, though) took place in 1831.

Actually, if you could move it back to Mid-18th this could be one of the reasons behind the founding of the Vineyards Colony.

but if you cannot move it back, the tensions alone that caused it would be good enough to result in the formation of the Colony.

[Shroom Man 777]

Wait, what's the date on the Gaymean War?

EDIT:

So the Vineyards would be founded by folks who just want to GTFO from all the murdering and killing and war in the Old Continent?

But then... by the 20th century, they ended up killing each other anyway (over booze, no less)

[Coyote]

Okay, uh, since I'm coming off a two-week hiatus with minimal ability to keep caught up with all the updates, am I reading this correctly? It seems that references are being made to real-Earth countries in the histories (Russia, Jerusalem, the Med)-- are we basing this off of a copy of actual Earth, or an alt-history?

[Shroom Man 777]

Um... Fingolfin has always been going for Byzantium/Holy Roman Empire altarnate realty stuff.

Russia, OTOH, well... what do we call the Red Technocracy before it turned Red, and before it became a Technocracy?

[PeZook]

Wait, what's the date on the Gaymean War?

There is no hard date - intentionally so, since I figured people would like to mesh their histories with the war. Right now, it can be anywhere from 1750 to around 1830.

[Karmic Knight]

So the Vineyards would be founded by folks who just want to GTFO from all the murdering and killing and war in the Old Continent?

But then... by the 20th century, they ended up killing each other anyway (over booze, no less)

Yeah, but a hundred and fifty years or so pass between the cowardly settlers, and the post economic collapse Civil War.
EDIT:

There is no hard date - intentionally so, since I figured people would like to mesh their histories with the war. Right now, it can be anywhere from 1750 to around 1830.

1750s work well with my history, but mine is also adaptable date-wise, in case this fucks anyone's histories over.

[PeZook]

Brief History of the Constitutional Republic Of PeZookia, Part IV

Conclusion of the Gaymean War

The Battle Of Ostroleka has improved the situation for PeZookian forces, but not decisively so. Fighting continued in Gaymea, with skirmishes fought for villages and towns along the main tract leading to the largest sea port in the province - Gaymea.

The lines stabilized eight months after Ostroleka, but new strategic considerations altered the balance of power.

First, Byzantium intervened in the war, siding with PeZookia. In the second year, Byzantine troops and modern arms flooded into Gaymea, greatly improving the situation for PeZookians. Second, the Byzantine Navy sailed forth from the Mediterreanean, threatening already strained Shroomanian supply lines.

Seeing a potential catastrophe in the making, Shroomanian commanders decided to withdraw from the province. However, in order to maintain a strong position in the upcoming negotiations, the withdrawal was intentionally slowed down.

This decision turned out to be a costly mistake. PeZookian troops, bolstered by Byzantine arms, launched a massive offensive against the withdrawing Marines. This coincided with uprisings in the still-occupied parts of the province, which quickly spiralled out of control.

Still, Welsh MacMillan was an experienced commander, and maintaned cohesion in his army. His men fell back across the province in a well-organized fighting retreat, making PeZookians pay in blood for every town they liberated.

Byzantine forces did not take part in the fighting itself, instead performing duties in the rear echelons. As the Empire did not want to engage in conflict, but rather intimidate the warring powers into making peace with each other, the Emperor chose to avoid direct combat with Shroomanian forces.

At the same time when the fighting in Gaymea intensified, couriers hastily exchanged messages between Shroomanian and PeZookian royal courts. Smelling blood, however, PeZookia was unwilling to negotiate at this time

This would change with the Siege Of Morski Zamek (Seeschloss, as it was known to Shroomanians) - the bloodiest battle of the war.

[PeZook]

1750s work well with my history, but mine is also adaptable date-wise, in case this fucks anyone's histories over.

Let's set the date to 1787-1790.

I will be expanding the above post, but went with the following general sequence of events:

PeZookians advance, pushing the Shroomcoats out of the province. The Royal Court hopes for a total victory, and so denies negotiation.

Byzantines threaten to withdraw their support, but this still doesn't convince the King. He bids his time, as the generals assure him the war will be over by the summer of 1789.

Shroomcoats withdraw to Morski Zamek, which has been heavily fortified. PeZookians try to seize the city with a direct assault, but it fails. A siege ensues, with horrible death tolls on both sides.

In 1790, a second bloody assault is repelled. Both sides are bloodied and worn, and so negotiations commence.

By autumn 1790, negotiations are done and the war ends, with PeZookians regaining control of Gaymea, in exchange paying Shroomanians a large sum of money and guaranteeing protection to Shroomanians remaining in the province. Remaining Shroomcoats are allowed to evacuate with their arms and standards.

Good enough?

[Karmic Knight]

Let's set the date to 1787-1790.

Alright, then I'll move my foundation date up to 1777, so the tensions leading up to the war will be better cause for settling.

Also, would you WWI analogue make sense to happen around the 1910s?

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Okay, uh, since I'm coming off a two-week hiatus with minimal ability to keep caught up with all the updates, am I reading this correctly? It seems that references are being made to real-Earth countries in the histories (Russia, Jerusalem, the Med)-- are we basing this off of a copy of actual Earth, or an alt-history?

There is a history thread for everything to be consolidated. No one has posted there for now though.

[PeZook]

I still don't know if anything analogous to WWI would happen on this planet, though. Who would be on which side?

[Shroom Man 777]

I think it's good enough. Damn, no slaughter...

I guess we need ONE more war in the 19th century, before the Shroomanians start going into the careful realpolitik game.

I say that Byzantium goes to war with the Shadows, something like the Franco-Prussian war or something. Leaving the Shadows disgruntled up to the beginning of the 20th century!

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

1750s work well with my history, but mine is also adaptable date-wise, in case this fucks anyone's histories over.

Let's set the date to 1787-1790.

I will be expanding the above post, but went with the following general sequence of events:

PeZookians advance, pushing the Shroomcoats out of the province. The Royal Court hopes for a total victory, and so denies negotiation.

Byzantines threaten to withdraw their support, but this still doesn't convince the King. He bids his time, as the generals assure him the war will be over by the summer of 1789.

Shroomcoats withdraw to Morski Zamek, which has been heavily fortified. PeZookians try to seize the city with a direct assault, but it fails. A siege ensues, with horrible death tolls on both sides.

In 1790, a second bloody assault is repelled. Both sides are bloodied and worn, and so negotiations commence.

By autumn 1790, negotiations are done and the war ends, with PeZookians regaining control of Gaymea, in exchange paying Shroomanians a large sum of money and guaranteeing protection to Shroomanians remaining in the province. Remaining Shroomcoats are allowed to evacuate with their arms and standards.

Good enough?

We should have a few tense standoffs between the two nation's navies, which understandably aren't on the best of terms.

I think it's good enough. Damn, no slaughter...

I guess we need ONE more war in the 19th century, before the Shroomanians start going into the careful realpolitik game.

I say that Byzantium goes to war with the Shadows, something like the Franco-Prussian war or something. Leaving the Shadows disgruntled up to the beginning of the 20th century!

Well, I'm not against a small bush war.

[Karmic Knight]

I think it's good enough. Damn, no slaughter...

I guess we need ONE more war in the 19th century, before the Shroomanians start going into the careful realpolitik game.

I say that Byzantium goes to war with the Shadows, something like the Franco-Prussian war or something. Leaving the Shadows disgruntled up to the beginning of the 20th century!

Which causes Shroomainian to begin a Remobilization Program, that evaluates the worth of off-continent colonies and determines if the effort required to maintain the colonies is being returned by the Colonial settlers. If not, the program calls for the removal of Shroomainian assets in that, then former, colony.

EDIT:Does this map look like it would work?
Link

[Coyote]

History of Canissia


EARLY PREHISTORY:
Following the last Ice Age, bands of tribal hunter-gatherers set up in the land of Canissia, where-- mostly isolated by high mountains that seperated them from their neighbors-- they managed to expand more or less peaceably. The climate lended itself well to agriculture, which became increasingly important as the larger game animals were hunted down to extinction in some cases (Mammoths) and near-extinction in other cases (Deer).

The first permanant settlements in Canissia came about the same time as settlement began to spread elsewhere; mostly isolated fishing villages along southern and western coastlines, in the modern provinces of Aerelon, Scorpia and Canceron. Trade and warfare both served to unite populations, and small empires came and went on a regular basis throughout early history, the scant remains of which can still be seen to this day in archaeological museums.


ANCIENT ERA:
Over 3,000 years ago, the Qalquayyid Empire colonized much of the southern and western desert regions of Canissia, bringing the scattered villages there under the rule of the Pharoah Antenkoph and bringing a network of roads, bridges, and medicine to the early Canissians. The northern provinces, known as the Aeron Kingdom at the time, rebelled against the Qualqayyid Empire but were never able to do much more than provide annoying diversions to the well-trained and organized Pharoanic armies.

The Scorpion town of Thakesh-- now a preserved ruin-- temporarily served as the headquarters of the Qalqayyid Princess Noora Raidaa during the Dynastic Civil War in the Qualquayyid capitol, far over the sea. It was in Thakesh that Raidaa declared herself to be Pharoah after hearing that the rebellious Generals had executed her entire family. She vowed revenge and restoration of the Dynasty, but aside from a few poorly-organized forays to re-invade her homeland, she was largely fruitless in this endeavour. Her armies depleted, and the lack of income from the Dynasty, made Canissia the last seat of Qalquayyid might.

The Aeron Kingdom sacked Thakesh on its way south to it's "rightful lands" (now Aerelon Province), and vast wars were fought between the eroding Qalquayyids (now relying almost entirely on local Canissian mercenaries rather than professional Pharoanic troops) and the growing Aeron Kingdom, led by the warrior-queen Kere. The Qalquayyids eventually collapsed under the weight of Kere's troops and barbarian tribes and turncoat Canissian mercenaries who decided to rob their paymasters rather than serve them.

Statues to the Qualqayyid Middle Dynasty's animal-head gods remain a source of awe to this day, as is the recent unearthing of nearly 8,000 terracotta soldiers in a vast Royal Tomb unearthed in the depths of the harsh Scorpion desert-- believe to be the tomb of Pharoah Raidaa herself.


MEDIEVAL ERA:
The Medieval era saw a land of numerous small, competing kingdoms. Attempts to unify into an empire were rarely successful, despite the linking of most of the Kingdoms many intermarriage, common ethnic ancestry and language. Religion was largely relegated to a supporting role for the Nobility, although a few anti-heretical Crusades were had within Canissia to root out spin-off religions that were seen as politically challenging.

Overseas adventures were limited, but Canissian troops from the Virgon and Tauron regions were in high demand overseas as mercenaries, and they participated in occassional raids and Crusades with allies.

At times, there were wars between the Canissian Kingdoms, particularly as the Caprican Kingdom rose to prominance as a trading and shipbuilding powerhouse. 'Caprican Merchant' was a compliment in Caprica and a curse elsewhere as the Caprican Kingdom grew fat and wealthy, some felt at the detriment of other Kingdoms. Capricans hired Tauron mercenaries as well as skilled soldiers from other nations to defend their realm, and freely gave Letters of Marque to various privateers from other nations-- ostensibly, to protect Caprican ships from "pirates", but also to conduct hit-and-run raids on the ships of fellow Canissian merchants that were proving to be too good at competition.


INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION:
The Industrial Revolution hit Canissia at about the same time as it did elsewhere. The first major breakthrough was the discovery of steam powered engines that could be put on ships, which Caprican merchants quickly exploited, as well as breech-loading rifled cannons. When Caprican entrepeneur Mills Hovan put a "ship drive" on rails and used it to link various Caprican cities, a revolution in transportation was begun.

Caprican ships began experimenting with putting iron armor bands around the hulls of their ships when Revolution swept the land. A wave of anti-Caprican resentment spread throughout the rest of Canissia, a sentiment that was primarily directed at the Caprican King, Leoni Tarsis-III, whose palace was stormed by musket-armed revolutionaries and shot by firing squad in the street.

Revolution and anarchy rocked Canissia, with Loyalists and Communists battle Nationalists in a three-way war that brought Canissia much grief but also much industrial technology (primarily weapons technology) as each side battled for supremacy. In a late-night deal brokered by Royalist Prince Joszef Rada, the Nationalists and Loyalists signed a secret pact and combined forces to wipe out the Communists. They then agreed to a power-sharing deal in which the Monarchy remains as the official head of the executive branch of government, with the Nationalist Parliament overseeing the workings of government and providing a series of checks & balances on Royal authority-- an arrangement that remains to this day.



MODERN ERA:
Ever the silent partner in military adventurism, the Republic of Canissia has had its fingers in nearly every major conflict that involved the MESS alliance-- with involvement typically ranging from materiel support up to and including major applications in battle. Canissia was among the first nations to embrace Ironclads, giving their small navy a decisive edge among those who still used wooden warships, and Canissians were also one of the chief contributors to early development of the Tank, Machine-Gun, and Submarine (although Canissia did not pioneer these developments).

This early devotion to military science made Canissia a nations that clings to the idea of a small, highly professional, technically advanced and initiative-based military power, where the application of smaller forces that are highly skilled and mobile are valued over masses of ill-trained and equipped conscripts.

Canissian military ventures today are typically in the realm of supporting larger, concerted actions by MESS members and other alliances. Overall, Canissia is primarily interested in diplomacy as a means to solve conflict, however, the Canissian military has a reputation for fierce determination in battle.

Canissian military history is preserved in numerous museums throughout the land, with many Provinces having their own military museums, and the coastal cities frequently boasting at least one or two preserve museum ships at their docksides for tourists-- including the first Canissian submarine; the first Canissian Dreadnought, an early Aircraft Carrier (complete with biplanes) saved from scrapping from the Shinra Republic, and the beutifully restored and magnificent Tall Ship, the Caprican Clipper.

[Shroom Man 777]

Nice, Coyote. I hope you and the others can make a cohesive history like what me, PeZook, Fingolfin, Shady, Karmic, and a few others are doing. Tie-ins, mang!

Which causes Shroomainian to begin a Remobilization Program, that evaluates the worth of off-continent colonies and determines if the effort required to maintain the colonies is being returned by the Colonial settlers. If not, the program calls for the removal of Shroomainian assets in that, then former, colony.

EDIT:Does this map look like it would work?
Link

Good idea. And that's a lovely map, where did you find it? Did you make it yourself? Cause, if so, then AWESOME!

[DarthShady]

I just knew you guys would blame a World War on me.

My internet has been down all day but I am catching up now.

My history seems to be writing it self.

[Karmic Knight]

Good idea. And that's a lovely map, where did you find it? Did you make it yourself? Cause, if so, then AWESOME!

Thank you.
I edited a map of Cyrodiil from TES IV Oblivion.

EDIT: Now I must write the VCW, war for booze, yay.

[Mr Bean]

Bean, you can be, like, Sweden of the Old Continent.

How about I write PeZookia as the primary colonizer? It would be, like, the reverse of the Swedish Deluge

Good shape style shape too.

Speaking of, does anyone have a link to that trial world building software that Stas posted oh so long ago for the Nova Terra situation?


On the other note, why not Pezookia try for a island colony and fail? Unless you want to be next to my country it'd make the most sense from what I've read.

Also Pirates, very popular pastime in my country.