SDNWorld Redux - Casting Call & Planning

[The Yosemite Bear]

Two more months until I have sufficiant reliable electrical acess, I'm dropping out.

[Karmic Knight]

Date's waaaaay off. Iler's War did not begin until 1969, and ended in late 1975. To have mercenaries that fought in Iler's War take part in an event not so long after 1929 would be like having WWII vets fight a war in 1905.

Fuck, now I have to find another war to get veterans from.

[Coiler]

Beowulf, I'm confused about certain parts of your system.

First off, what does "+1 -1" for certain status mean? I'm assuming it means an increase or decrease in country size (for example, a Senator who would normally only qualify for a Kingdom would get a Tsardom). Am I right?

Second, what kind of ship would classify as a "Large" amphibious assault ship, and what kind would classify as a "Small"?

[Beowulf]

Beowulf, I'm confused about certain parts of your system.

First off, what does "+1 -1" for certain status mean? I'm assuming it means an increase or decrease in country size (for example, a Senator who would normally only qualify for a Kingdom would get a Tsardom). Am I right?

Second, what kind of ship would classify as a "Large" amphibious assault ship, and what kind would classify as a "Small"?

That's exactly it for the status. Senators get bumped up a size, so Wilkens, for example, gets bumped to Imperium.

Large LHA/LHDs would be a Wasp class. A small one would be a Mistral class.

[Shroom Man 777]

Funny... since a lot of the MESS happen to be Senators

What's the purpose of that rule, anyway? It's not like Senators are deficient in posts and have the risk of ending up as 3rd world Duchies (even our renewed Duchies are, like, totally 1st world). If we end up having so many Imperiums, it might weirding up the world balance.

EDIT:

I do agree with dicks like Shep getting knocked down a notch

(Mang, that point system. I don't want to do maths! Augh! I'll just copy what you guys cook up!)

(That point system is just for the military, yes?)

[Beowulf]

The purpose of the rule is largely because I want to be big. Aside from that, senators and mods tend to be more rational and level headed, otherwise they'd never have reached the positions that they did, and thus can be trusted with larger nations. And not all Senators have tons of posts either. They do tend to, simply because more posts makes you more visible, but there are senators with as few as 1000 posts.

There's a number of non MESS people that would benefit as well. To name a couple: Phong, and Stas.

And yes, the points are strictly for the military. I'm still knocking together some example units that could just be stamped out for use in the Army side.

[Mr Bean]

Re-Named
Bean's second country will be called= Khitan
Final Name. That's what I'm going with, it's a triple cookie reference.


Also country map, what-ho! I pillage and paint shopped it to remove all marks.

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[Beowulf]

Said example units:

3 MEFs - marine expeditionary regiment
60 AAV
60 LAV
2700 marine infantry
30 tanks
24 Light ADA
2 BN arty
12 AH-1
45 UH-60
15 CH-53
24 AV-8B+(air)
19.5 pts

Heavy Regiment
1000 infantry
120 IFV
60 tank
16 Light ADA
1 BN medium SP arty
400 engineer
9.5 pt

Mech Infantry Regiment
2000 infantry
180 IFV
30 tank
16 Light ADA
1 BN medium SP arty
400 engineer
9.5 pt

Infantry Regiment
2000 infantry
1 BN field towed arty
2.25 pt

Artillery Regiment
3 BN med SP arty
1 BN MLRS
5 pt

Division Aviation Regiment
Attack Helicopter BN
2x Utility Helicopter BN
Heavy Lift Helicopter BN
7 pts

Armored Cav Regiment
120 tanks
120 IFV
500 infantry
1 BN med SP arty
11.5 pts

Airborne Division
7200 parachute troops (8 units)
4 BN field towed arty
4 BN utility helicopter
2 BN attack helicopter
2 BN heavy lift helicopter
23 pts

Armor Division
3000 infantry
360 IFV
180 tank
48 Light ADA
16 Medium ADA
6 BN medium SP arty
1 BN MLRS
Attack Helicopter BN
2x Utility Helicopter BN
Heavy Lift Helicopter BN
1200 engineer
42.5 pts

Infantry Division
6000 infantry
540 IFV
90 tank
48 Light ADA
16 Medium ADA
6 BN medium SP arty
1 BN MLRS
Attack Helicopter BN
2x Utility Helicopter BN
Heavy Lift Helicopter BN
1200 engineer
42.5 pts

[Shroom Man 777]

Aside from that, senators and mods tend to be more rational and level headed, otherwise they'd never have reached the positions that they did, and thus can be trusted with larger nations.

You can trust me (and PeZook and Fingolfin) to play nice Hell, aren't your own members (Skim and Shep - with special mention to Marina!) the ones that brought the world to ruin last time? Hence the -1 for dicks

[Karmic Knight]

Revised History:

The History of The Kingdom of Vineyards

The Colonial History of the Vineyards

The Vineyards were founded by the Shroomainian Isolationist Colonial Company (SICC) in an attempt to both enrich the great nation of Shroomainia and acquire a place far away from the constantly warring Old Continent. The Continent at the time was gearing up for the Gaymean War.

The Shroomainian Government ceded SICC a small isolated Valley on the Continent of Frequesue in 1777. The Valley that would eventually become the Vineyards is bordered on either side not open to water by mountain ranges, the treacherous Mountains of Valor covering the Northern and Eastern border while the shorter Isolator Highlands act as the border between the Vineyards and the politically unstable nation to the south.

Upon landing, SICC began to work on building a port on the southernmost shore, naming the port, Syl. SICC set-up mining survey teams to look for natural resources to tap. Meanwhile, in the valley, settlers were finding the ground to be very conductive of growing grapes and other fermentable plants. This discovery, along with early problems funding the survey teams, led to the colony becoming dependent on its alcohol production to finance itself. The alcohol production became so great, that a second port willed itself into existence, finally officially becoming Thadon in 1817. Sheoth was founded fourteen years later, on a city sized island in the center of the lake in the center of the valley.

This prosperity would not last, though, as Greek Wines were being chosen time and time again over the “colonial slop,” leading to a collapse of the Vinish economy in 1900. By 1904, a the Shroomainian government found the colony did not meet expectations dictated by the Shroomainian Remobilization Program As such, Shroomainian recognized the Vineyards as an independent state, and withdrew armed support from that corner of the world. So, on October 13, 1904 the Vineyards became an independent nation


The Post-Colonial History of the Vineyards

Independence was not good for the Vineyards, as the only thing that held the Colonial Government in power was the Shroomainian Armed Presence in the major ports and in the fields. As such, many of the families that grew the grapes and such styled themselves as powerful leaders, training people loyal to them into “armies” that began attacking fields around them, and in some cases, attacking towns and villages around them. The Colonial Government was without options, they looted the Treasury, and fled from Sheoth, seeking asylum in Shroomainia. It seems proper that they were attacked by pirates immediately off the coast of the Vineyards, pirates that the Shroomainian Navy had always kept at bay.

With the loss of what could only be considered the voice of sanity amongst the warring families, the Civil War began to take a ridiculous turn. Spies from either Port city were both successful and caught trying to sink competitor’s ships. Offshore, pirates were hired by most families to attack rival merchant vessels, though the pirates usually didn’t care which family they hit, as even if it happened to be one of the ones that was paying them, they could always collect from another family.

One of the most volatile places was the Isle of Sheoth as it had been made Capital of the colony because of its defensible position, a fact which made it a very enticing place for all of the would be warlords that littered the Vineyards. Sheoth found itself under siege, fourteen times over the course of 1925. In ’26 the citizens revolted against the occupying army, destroying that family in the process. After the battle, the citizens of Sheoth declared themselves a free city-state, which would attack any group not flying either a white flag, or one of Sheoth’s allies, thus causing Sheoth to suffer more hardships over the course of the war.

The only semi-stable city was Azzan, high in the Mountains of Valour, it remain untouched from the anarchy below. The most powerful family in Azzan hadn’t stopped trading, even after the war was destroying crops below. Lord of Azzan, Thomas Michael was quick to forge an agreement with San Doradan weapons dealers, securing his city a powerful defense against the Lowlands anarchy. Large machine guns lined the cliff faces staring down the sloping road that led to the Lowlands, rarely did anyone come up the Great Road since the start of the War, but Lord Michael kept his forces ready for anything.

Following the third Sacking of Sheoth in 1929, Lord Michael began to get worried, the noble houses were tearing the country apart. With a new vigor, he began planning a reinvasion of his homeland, using the troops he had on hand, and he hired many experienced mercenaries from the many campaigns to pacify the lands, the Lord of Azzan found that his forces would barely be able to retake Sheoth, let alone the ports of Thadon and Syl. Lord Michael began searching the international landscape, hoping to find a country willing to assist in his bid for the Vineyard Throne, He found an ally in the Shinra Republic. The Shinra Republic was willing to not only perform naval blockades of the two war torn ports, but also land a ‘peacekeeper’ force to assist Lord Michael in his attempt to unify The Vineyards, in exchange, Lord Michael agreed to the building of a Republican Naval base near Syl, along with a favorable trade agreement with the Republic.

Lord Michael’s Agreement with the Shinra Republic sent shockwaves across the Valley, many nobles seeing this as international recognition of Lord Michael as the ruler of The Vineyards, other saw this as an attempt by a foreign country to take over the Vineyards. Many nobles believed both, fearing that Lord Michael was simply a figurehead of the Republican Government. The fears that the Vineyards would become a vassal state of the Shinra Republic were unfounded, as the last of the Republican ‘peacekeeper’ forces left the country in February of 1979.

Lord Michael’s forces stormed the capital in June of 1930, after a short bloody battle Lord Michael was proclaimed King Michael, Ruler of The Vineyards in a ceremony on the tenth of July in 1930. The Republican troops in both Syl and Thadon were quickly joined by detachments of the newly created Vineyard Defense Force. All in all, the transition from anarchic state to single internationally recognized nation was not as strenuous as many had hoped or feared.

Following his ascension to King, King Michael revised the foreign policy of the Vineyards, instead of being a power that remained ignorant of foreign wars, only breaking their silence to sell their wares, the King reopened ties with Shroomainia. He also opened official relations with the Shinra Republic and the Republic of Canissia. By 1970, the Vineyards had trade agreements with all of the stated powers.

In the summer of ’71 disaster struck the Kingdom, as King Thomas Michael died at the age of 83, in the Royal Retreat at Azzan, his son, Crown Prince Jeffery Michael, 44, was immediately sworn in as King of The Vineyards. King Jeffery proved to be quite the step down from King Thomas, as Jeffery attempted to scale back every program meant to bring The Vineyards into the global fold. King Jeffery’s reign was marred with problems, the public had been hopeful of the programs the now dead ruler had put into motion, an isolationist stance was not one that was thought of very highly amongst the higher-ups in the government, and rumors of plans of coup d’états spread like wildfire through the valley. These were so debilitating, the King began living out of the Royal Retreat at Azzan for most of the year, in fear for his life.

By 1998 the people of the Kingdom were very disillusioned with King Jeffery, this was not helped by the fact that a major antagonist of the regime was Jeffery’s cousin, Brandon Michael, 18. Brandon Michael quickly established a rapport with the populace, calling for a Parliament to check the King from working against the will of the people. In ’99, when the King was in Sheoth giving a speech about the new tariff program, was arrested by 37 Sheoth police officers on counts of treason and conspiracy to endanger the nation. Brandon approached the deposed monarch with a deal, he would be allowed to live in the Royal Retreat at Azzan, and in exchange he would name Brandon King of the Vineyards, and establish Parliament as a check on the King’s power.

King Brandon’s immediate acts as King were to formally request entrance into the Shroomainian Commonwealth, and to reestablish embassies in the Republic of Canissia and in the Shinra Republic. He scrapped the plan to remove the Shinra Naval Base near Syl.

Does this mesh with other histories?
Or do I have to revise this?

[Shroom Man 777]

I think you should slow down your revisions... you've revised it, like, five times already? Mang. Um, I dunno.

[Karmic Knight]

I think you should slow down your revisions... you've revised it, like, five times already? Mang. Um, I dunno.

Eh, revisions make perfect.

Besides now the only thing I am going to actively change are the dates.

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

All I know of Langley's history is that Shroomanians founded it, and after it declared independence it's been one coup after another since the 1960s.

Oh, and lolis. Lots of them.

[PeZook]

I agree with Skimmer: instead of one huge World War and then a direct analogue to WWII, we should have a series of smaller, bloody and nasty and traumatic industrialized conflicts.

Working out the World War stuff would be a bitch, too,unless Shady really wants to go all fascist on our asses

[Shroom Man 777]

Lolis are awesome.

And I want Fascist Shady to beat my ass so bad

[Beowulf]

Aside from that, senators and mods tend to be more rational and level headed, otherwise they'd never have reached the positions that they did, and thus can be trusted with larger nations.

You can trust me (and PeZook and Fingolfin) to play nice Hell, aren't your own members (Skim and Shep - with special mention to Marina!) the ones that brought the world to ruin last time? Hence the -1 for dicks

Shep isn't a senator. Skim was allied with Shep, but Shep started the ball. Marina can't be held responsible for the actions of Shep.

[PeZook]

Okay! Time for some tough questions!

We have the following major inventions:

1) Practical steam engine (Watt's)

2) Powered loom

3) Bessemer Steel

4) Mass production techniques

5) Electric generator

6) Alternating Current

7) Artificial lighting

Railroad

9) Aeroplane

10) Internal combustion engine

So...who wants which ones? Take note, many of those can be collaborative (eg. Papin thought up a steam engine in 1690, but Watt built the first automated and efficient one which could be mass-produced and sold in 1765)

I take dibs on the powered loom and bessemer steel

[Shroom Man 777]

I'll go with the aeroplane, mass production techniques, and the alternating current!

Nikoshroom Tesla!

Seriously, Nikoshroom Tesla!

EDIT:

These wonderful inventions of ours would, like, foster better trade relations! There will never be anymore war!

EDIT:

I want to showcase MacMillan's Marvelous Machines! All retro and steampunky clockwork!

[Karmic Knight]

Nikoshroom Tesla!

Seriously, Nikoshroom Tesla!

First Play A little of this.
Then all of this.

[PeZook]

"Yet today, who's ever heard of Nicola Tesla?"

Um...anybody who attended high school?

Every single conspiracy theorist who considers him a Living God?

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Okay! Time for some tough questions!

We have the following major inventions:

1) Practical steam engine (Watt's)

2) Powered loom

3) Bessemer Steel

4) Mass production techniques

5) Electric generator

6) Alternating Current

7) Artificial lighting

Railroad

9) Aeroplane

10) Internal combustion engine

So...who wants which ones? Take note, many of those can be collaborative (eg. Papin thought up a steam engine in 1690, but Watt built the first automated and efficient one which could be mass-produced and sold in 1765)

I take dibs on the powered loom and bessemer steel

I'm going with railroad/steam and mass production, and AC. Willing to share it around.

Also, we ought to add in DC. That came before AC.

[Shroom Man 777]

You get DC. I get AC. Nikoshroom Tesla, MANG!

I think Shroomania should be a giant in industrialization and stuff - with machines! Like England + Germany. Industrialists! MacMillan! Bloody poor people and their children press-ganged to work in coal mines! Smog! A lack of a functioning sewage system! And all that jazz!

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

You get DC. I get AC. Nikoshroom Tesla, MANG!

I think Shroomania should be a giant in industrialization and stuff - with machines! Like England + Germany. Industrialists! MacMillan! Bloody poor people and their children press-ganged to work in coal mines! Smog! A lack of a functioning sewage system! And all that jazz!

But in the end, it's the S. Koreans who get the shipping and the electronics industry, along with most of the world's heavy industry.

[Shroom Man 777]

They do NOT!

Fuck that. You'll want "Made in Shroomania" for all your over-engineered shit like fancy sports cars and chocolates!

Vy Homer, Shroomania iz ze land of chocolates!

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

They do NOT!

Fuck that. You'll want "Made in Shroomania" for all your over-engineered shit like fancy sports cars and chocolates!

Vy Homer, Shroomania iz ze land of chocolates!

S. Korea is in the top 5 ship builders in the world, not to mention, Samsung is a behemoth.