SD.Net World Redux Comment Thread III

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

And how can we kill Karic for this?

I was thinking roasting him over a slow fire would have been appropriate.

[PeZook]

Karic is a sly motherfucker ; He's turned into Nicky Cage now, so it won't be easy to get at him.

He could be our recurring villain, or he can die later on screaming like a little girl

[Shroom Man 777]

Like I said, he should've slipped up and that Nicholas Cage face could've been taken from a Shroomanian pedophile, which means that Shroomanian authorities would end up finding him - for entirely inappropriate offenses!

[Steve]

Marina made this for me. The Cascadians' missile cruiser class, not exactly a Tico either.

Columbia-class missile cruiser



Length o.l.: 708 feet
Beam (max) : 75 feet
Drought (normal service) : 31.5 feet.
Displacement: ~16,000 tons full load.
Four screw, IFEP (Integrated Full Electric Propulsion), standard shaft drive with manoeuvring thrusters forward for docking and quick turning.
Speed: 33+ kts.
Crew: 51 officers (commissioned and warrant), 504 enlisted.

Armament:
1 x 8in/55cal lightweight gun
1 x 96-cell VLS array aft
1 x 64-cell VLS array forward
2 x quadruple Sea Lance box launchers for SSMs
2 x 21-cell RAM (Rolling Airframe Missile) CIWS launchers
4 x twin 40mm DARDO fast fourty mounts
4 x 30mm Goalkeeper CIWS gatlings
2 x triple ASW torpedo tubes
4 x Anti-torpedo rocket launchers (Mark VI ATORP)

Normal VLS load: 96 x quad-packed short range Sea Bolt missiles. 32 x Sky Lance, 64 x Sky Lance ER, 24 x ER ASROC, 16 x Sea Lance SSM.

Number: 4 in commission (Columbia, Olympia, Yukon, and Rosario)

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Steve, does yours have a nuclear reactor? I would have thought something of that tonnage has a nuclear reactor at the least. I'm deploying a destroyer that's slightly heavier (actually, the destroyer I'm building might actually be 18,000 tonnes but I'm just guesstimating. You could deploy 128 VLS on a 10,000tonne destroyer full loaded.)

Why I called it a destroyer? I was planning to eventually deploy a cruiser in the 20K tonne range.

[K. A. Pital]

Nice, something like a NATO Slava at last

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Nice, something like a NATO Slava at last

Hey, I planned a year ago to build 16 18,000 tonne ships. The only difference was that 8 of them would carry those hunking P-750 Meteorite-MXL hypersonic missiles.

[Siege]

Steve, San Dorado agrees to the terms of the treaty you've drawn up. Also, expect to receive Mr. ex-tsar soon; he's all yours now!

[DarthShady]

Shady! Edit it at once to read "1000 kilogram iron bomb"!

Done.

Karic is a sly motherfucker ; He's turned into Nicky Cage now, so it won't be easy to get at him.

He could be our recurring villain, or he can die later on screaming like a little girl

A recurring villain, just think of the possibilities.

[Steve]

Well, I was thinking of that as just a plan, and it's my intention that the Tsarevich is in the Caymans now as well.

As for Columbia, I'd love to make it nuclear, but I've been calling them conventional CGs since the game began, I mostly followed the point system and didn't spend extra points for nuclear propulsion, and I don't want to abuse the good will of the other players by suddenly making them nuclear-powered.

So as it stands, the only nuclear-powered ships in the RCN are my attack subs.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Well, I was thinking of that as just a plan, and it's my intention that the Tsarevich is in the Caymans now as well.

As for Columbia, I'd love to make it nuclear, but I've been calling them conventional CGs since the game began, I mostly followed the point system and didn't spend extra points for nuclear propulsion, and I don't want to abuse the good will of the other players by suddenly making them nuclear-powered.

So as it stands, the only nuclear-powered ships in the RCN are my attack subs.

Sure. But for reference, the KDX-III destroyer which has a pseudo 128 cell VLS is 10,000tonnes fully loaded. For example, say add an electric drive to a Arleigh Burke Flight IIA (9,200 tonnes) might add about say 1000 tonnes. Another 32 VLS, you might add another 1000 tonnes. I think you could potentially squeeze in more stuff on a 16,000 tonne ship.

[Raj Ahten]

That Neutrality treaty is pretty nice from Indhopal's perspective and therefore I'll support it fully.

Though it might need more carrots for non Frequesuan nations for them to want to sign it.

[Karmic Knight]

I do have a problem with Article 3, I think Item B should have a provision for the Shinra and CSR bases currently on the continent, since those wouldn't be covered in an FTO action, but in an action by each of the respective governments.

edit: err, subsection, item same thing...

[Steve]

The reason I didn't include the CSR is because they left the conference and so would not be a signatory. But as this is a draft, if you believe the FTO nations would insert an exception for them anyway I'll add it.

As for the Shinra naval base in the Vineyards, I presumed that would fall under the term stating it permissible with the approval of the FTO. It would somewhat defeat the purpose of the treaty if any Frequesue nation would allow an outside power to have bases in their territory without FTO approval, since the gist of it is that in exchange for outside powers not actively seeking positions in Frequesue, the FTO will make sure none of their potential rivals get some either.

[RogueIce]

As for the Shinra naval base in the Vineyards, I presumed that would fall under the term stating it permissible with the approval of the FTO. It would somewhat defeat the purpose of the treaty if any Frequesue nation would allow an outside power to have bases in their territory without FTO approval, since the gist of it is that in exchange for outside powers not actively seeking positions in Frequesue, the FTO will make sure none of their potential rivals get some either.

Technically, the Shinra naval base in the Vineyards predates the FTO anyway (and certainly this treaty) so it's probably questionable as to whether it could be "grandfathered" in or not.

Of course since I'm almost at the point of being an invited observer into the FTO anyway (*pokes Raj* Indhopal hasn't answered yet, IIRC you're the last one to not do so) one could presume they're ok with it anyway.

[Beowulf]

A tonne of ANFO would go off like a ton of any other explosive. IOW, with about 8 times the power of a 500 lb bomb (which is typically only half explosive by weight).

Well, to be honest, I wrote "pound" while I meant "kilogram" (you stupid americans screwed me up!). I also forgot an iron bomb is only half explosive

ANFO is only half as boomy as TNT, right? And modern iron bombs don't actually use TNT, so the dump truck would be 2-2.5 times less explodey for a given weight.

Shady! Edit it at once to read "1000 kilogram iron bomb"!

80% as boomy as TNT. On the other hand, you should be able to fit more than a ton of explosive into a dump truck. I mean, I could probably fit that much into a pickup. Unless you have the world's smallest dump truck.

[Steve]

If you and them want to converse on altering the treaty terms for that, rogue, go ahead and let me know the result, I'll change the treaty before IC posting. It's currently just a draft.

[RogueIce]

If you and them want to converse on altering the treaty terms for that, rogue, go ahead and let me know the result, I'll change the treaty before IC posting. It's currently just a draft.

For my part it would be essentially an exception for any bases or facilities existing prior to the acceptence of the treaty (this would also cover the CSR naval base and maybe make them more likely to sign on later). Anything new would have to go through the FTO I expect.

Unless they have other ideas.

[Karmic Knight]

For my part it would be essentially an exception for any bases or facilities existing prior to the acceptence of the treaty (this would also cover the CSR naval base and maybe make them more likely to sign on later). Anything new would have to go through the FTO I expect.

Unless they have other ideas.

That was the idea I had. I apologize if I wasn't clear originally.

[PeZook]

80% as boomy as TNT. On the other hand, you should be able to fit more than a ton of explosive into a dump truck. I mean, I could probably fit that much into a pickup. Unless you have the world's smallest dump truck.

Yeah, but you have to mix it first, and we blew up one of their labs, remember?

[RogueIce]

Yeah, but you have to mix it first, and we blew up one of their labs, remember?

So what'd you think about the man-love President Shinra has for King Paul?

Oh yeah, I still want you to come visit or something. I really want to do that Kamila thing before I forget forever.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Well, I was thinking of that as just a plan, and it's my intention that the Tsarevich is in the Caymans now as well.

As for Columbia, I'd love to make it nuclear, but I've been calling them conventional CGs since the game began, I mostly followed the point system and didn't spend extra points for nuclear propulsion, and I don't want to abuse the good will of the other players by suddenly making them nuclear-powered.

So as it stands, the only nuclear-powered ships in the RCN are my attack subs.

Sure. But for reference, the KDX-III destroyer which has a pseudo 128 cell VLS is 10,000tonnes fully loaded. For example, say add an electric drive to a Arleigh Burke Flight IIA (9,200 tonnes) might add about say 1000 tonnes. Another 32 VLS, you might add another 1000 tonnes. I think you could potentially squeeze in more stuff on a 16,000 tonne ship.

No, you can't. I consider that ship overarmed as it is. You need squadron command and control facilities, you need fuel for extended cruising (and requirements increase with tonnage, which forces more tonnage and etc), you need more horsepower for the given speed (which is greater than a Burke's, anyway), you need, since it's a cruiser, armour (a basic 4in belt and 3in deck and kevlar over the CIC and engineering spaces as splinter armour, in this case), and the gun armament is extremely heavy on this ship, especially the 8in. Conservatively just the changed weapons fit will increase displacement by 4,000 tons, and then the squadron flag facilities will add even more, and then you need hundreds of tons more fuel to make them truly global cruisers capable of independent operations.. Anyway, I originally estimated the ships to be 16,500 tons. The simple fact is that modern warships are not very tonnage dependent, they are volume dependent, and that ship is designed to have the maximum possible capabilities for its volume. I worked out the internal volume first and then derived the tonnage from that.

[PeZook]

So what'd you think about the man-love President Shinra has for King Paul?

It's...surprising

But I hope you understand, I'm married

Oh yeah, I still want you to come visit or something. I really want to do that Kamila thing before I forget forever.

Okay...I will visit Mercury 2, and then we can do a trip to Shinra

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

No, you can't. I consider that ship overarmed as it is. You need squadron command and control facilities, you need fuel for extended cruising (and requirements increase with tonnage, which forces more tonnage and etc), you need more horsepower for the given speed (which is greater than a Burke's, anyway), you need, since it's a cruiser, armour (a basic 4in belt and 3in deck and kevlar over the CIC and engineering spaces as splinter armour, in this case), and the gun armament is extremely heavy on this ship, especially the 8in. Conservatively just the changed weapons fit will increase displacement by 4,000 tons, and then the squadron flag facilities will add even more, and then you need hundreds of tons more fuel to make them truly global cruisers capable of independent operations.. Anyway, I originally estimated the ships to be 16,500 tons. The simple fact is that modern warships are not very tonnage dependent, they are volume dependent, and that ship is designed to have the maximum possible capabilities for its volume. I worked out the internal volume first and then derived the tonnage from that.

You have squadron flag facilities? I thought the existing Ticonderongas already have some degree of coordination facilities, not to mention it already has a 122 cell VLS system and that's 9600tonnes full load.

Yes I understand a warship is volume dependent, but I factored in the volume increase via the tonnage. Since add a meter more or so would have correspondingly increased the ship's tonnage by a 1000 tonnes thereabouts. Now unless you are suggesting because he wanted more fuel than what I imagined so that he has more range than the average cruiser, then yeah, I agree with the tonnage.

Did you use a program to calculate the volume?

[RogueIce]

So what'd you think about the man-love President Shinra has for King Paul?

It's...surprising

But I hope you understand, I'm married

Oh, it's entirely platonic, more of a deep-seated respect than anything...Shroomanian you understand.