SD.net's World OOC/Discussion thread MK II

[Mr Bean]

To be honest, We are rather lacking in our options to act.

You are, I have a Task Group in there area, as well as reloads on the ships with them.
Task Force Zoro
1 Ticonderoga CG (HMS:Sentinel)
4 Arleigh Burke-class Destroyers
8 Halifax Class Frigates
8 Decoy Ships/Kitbashed Refuel and Replenishment ships with reloads aboard.

To be exact I have three good refueling ships with my Task Force so they can steam around as long as their's fuel left in the bunkers. However the reloads will either be slow and some-what chancey, or require the cranes and assistance of a friendly port.

My ships are there for anti-piracy patrols, and we do have planes which can stage from Zorian airbases and reach the island with weapon loads with eas. However short of sending my South Fleet down there it's going to be C-130's and Tu-160's IE long range bombers.

Heck the C-130's and Tu-130's can stage from the UKB and still make the turn-around.

As far as landing 100,000 troops or some such number in the country? Forget it. No country yet possess the lift ability to do that without a friendly port on the other end.

[Mr Bean]

Last note, I'm off to bed, what is an acceptable success rate on my SM-2 ABM tests?

What are the probably of a single Arleigh Burke-class Destroyers firing the SM-2 Long range version with the supposed ABM capability against the test scenarios I set up?

For reference the tests are being conducted in the Great Bay, several targets are being de-orbited and targeted on several scrap cargo vessels via GPS.

Off those targets are several Arleigh Burke-class Destroyers equiped with the SM-2 and attempting to shoot down the incoming dummy-war heads. They fire until the war-head is destroyed.

The tests are as follows

1 ship, 2 Targets
2 Ships 5 Targets
2 Ships, 1 Target,24 Decoys

What are the chances of successful interception of all warheads, assuming both slow(Sub launched) and fast(ICBM) war-heads?

I have no idea since the actual RW test data is so hard to nail down.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

*bang*

*blinks. And looks over the shoulder*

Mr Bean

Are you suggesting a military option?

[MKSheppard]

Theoretically, any high energy missile in SM-2ER/S-300/Patriot class has a chance of knocking down incoming ballistic targets; SLBMs are easier to kill due to their lower velocities; but still tricky with heavy SAMs.

You need a dedicated ABM missile like SM-3 to have a reliable chance of intercepting a inbound with each missile.

[Mr Bean]

*bang*

*blinks. And looks over the shoulder*

Mr Bean

Are you suggesting a military option?

A military option is not an option by it's own defintion sir? By your own words we have few options, I contend, I have several options, and by extension OMSK has several options.

It's also why I have a Royal Witch Doctor on staff, I don't believe in Hex's or Voodoo curses, but perhaps the other fellow does, and that's always useful.

We have by my count x options

We have the assassination option, the containment option, the diplomacy option, the international option, the military option, the nuclear option the religious option, spiral option, oh and the the isolationist option,

Plus the aforementioned voodoo option, we sir, always have options if you know where to look.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

A military option is not an option by it's own defintion sir? By your own words we have few options, I contend, I have several options, and by extension OMSK has several options.

It's also why I have a Royal Witch Doctor on staff, I don't believe in Hex's or Voodoo curses, but perhaps the other fellow does, and that's always useful.

We have by my count x options

We have the assassination option, the containment option, the diplomacy option, the international option, the military option, the nuclear option the religious option, spiral option, oh and the the isolationist option,

Plus the aforementioned voodoo option, we sir, always have options if you know where to look.

Well, I'm concerned of the aftermath. We can pursue a number of options, but the consequences being positive is the bigger question. Which option will lead to a positive outcome? I would say a number of them won't.

[K. A. Pital]

Why should we even do anything?

Yes, Alexander is an ass, and ProTec, who have been propping him since long, actually lash out and also tran his soldiers.

But so? Ramsley heeds the UOC order of "no war", so he will not attack Alexander, even though the latter's mercs openly raided his ports.

If Alexander and ProTec will heed no warning, we still are not obliged to do anything (Ramsley and his problems are UOC problems, no OMSK problems).

Of course, if UOC pilgrims, who are RT citizens, are killed by Alexander, that's a casus belli and he' be immediately steamrolled by OMSK, but I hope everyone understands that.

Unless Alexander is reckless enough to raid St. Basils, or anyone attacks the ODESSA en route, killing both Ramsley and the pilgrims, nothing big happens.

[Adrian Laguna]

Could someone kindly write a quick run down of what's going on currently? It would save a lot of time. Just cover the main details so I know what to pay attention to when I rapidly skim the old posts.

How many Theocracies do we even HAVE in the new world? Given the mostly secular nature of those involved I had guessed that religion was at a minamum in most nations. Shoot the largest religious sect in my Nation is the Flying Sphghetti Monster

The Sultanate of Sulu, a vassal of Adrianpolis which occupies part of the southern provinces, is rather theocratic.

New Patria is also looking into the procurement of a DDH or a small LHD over the next 3-5 years, as the gas wealth comes online.

Adrianpolis offers to build a Destructor de Aviacion (Hyuga DDH) for New Patria.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

New Patria is also looking into the procurement of a DDH or a small LHD over the next 3-5 years, as the gas wealth comes online.

I adopted a French/Brit design for my aircraft carrier and long had a Mistral carrier on the cards for procurement eventually. So technically, I could offer you the French:

-LSD Foudre Class Landing Platform Docks
-Mistral class Helicopter carrier (this is a serious carrier but might be too expensive)

There's also an Endurance LST that the Republic Singapore Navy operates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endurance_ ... _dock_ship

[K. A. Pital]

Hehehe.

Don't forget they also "trained" Alexanders troops, and did it well before either Ramsley or Alexander started running around with proposals to bigger nations.

Quite probably ProTec's activity and training of General Alexander's troops were what destabilized the situation in the first place.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Hehehe.

Don't forget they also "trained" Alexanders troops, and did it well before either Ramsley or Alexander started running around with proposals to bigger nations.

Quite probably ProTec's activity and training of General Alexander's troops were what destabilized the situation in the first place.

Well, when one side obviously attempted to tip the balance, the other side then seeks to counter it.

Then of course we now have a dangerous situation where a MESS nation screwed the Sultan and he no doubt is sorely pissed.

Actually, all of them have a reason to hate all of us.

[K. A. Pital]

Well here's what happened in Rom... Ramsley-land, now known as Libertian Diocese.

He's not exactly happy with what the mercs did (and sure as hell he won't be!), but he's bidding his time and welcoming the pilgrims.

P.S. Holy fuck Ramsley is a badass.

[Shroom Man 777]

Was that Ania's work?

[PeZook]

Well, at least we know he's not crazy. Hates Alexander, but he's not crazy.

His main priority seems to be security of his people. Same as Alexander's.

This means the "Funnel aid but threaten to withdraw it if they start a war" option actually has a reasonable chance of success. We just need to convince the Sultan to join in on that...

Yeah. Small obstacle, right?

[K. A. Pital]

Yea. Took a little to develop a course of action (Ania filled me in over lunch)

Technically Ramsley doesn't want to respond now, since a war in Libertia could mean falling from grace (and a lot of death - which comes into contrast with his goals of stability and pacification of his own land.

But he noted Indhopal's mercs behaviour, and I won't be too surprised if some ProTec mercs will die. Kinda like MOSSAD retaliated after Black September. Or Blackwater's mercs were hung in Iraq.

[Shroom Man 777]

Sky Marshall Ana can crusade my infidels anytime

Damn, I love this mad religious war stuff. JIHAD!

Oh, and we really shouldn't make the Sultan that bad compared to the other two. Perhaps the A-rab is just misunderstood ^__^

[PeZook]

Sky Marshall Ana can crusade my infidels anytime

Damn, I love this mad religious war stuff. JIHAD!

Oh, and we really shouldn't make the Sultan that bad compared to the other two. Perhaps the A-rab is just misunderstood ^__^

I'd move for a conference involving those three, but I'm afraid that if we gave them as much as a pen, they'd stab each other to death.

[PeZook]

But he noted Indhopal's mercs behaviour, and I won't be too surprised if some ProTec mercs will die. Kinda like MOSSAD retaliated after Black September. Or Blackwater's mercs were hung in Iraq.

This was a shitty move and a shitty way to deal with pirates, anyway. If they operated out of civilian ports, what guarantee do you have you actually hit actual pirate vessels? It's not like they fly the Jolly Roger.

And, frankly, if pirate activity is a reason to bomb ports,then we have justification to bomb Mangka. Of course, ProTec wouldn't do that, because Mangka could actually retaliate. It's easier to bomb Libertopians and rake in the cash.

[The Yosemite Bear]

The Norse population are finding things a bit too hot as of late in the Great Bear Republic of Californication. They may be setting up a trade port in Libertopia, most likely by bringing gifts, and pointing out that a scholar of Islam did indeed travel amoung the Norse, and that they are returning the favour.

[Lonestar]

New Patria is also looking into the procurement of a DDH or a small LHD over the next 3-5 years, as the gas wealth comes online.

Southwest Marine of the Lone Star Republic is already experienced in building Mistral-class LHDs(Which are referred to in-game as the Davey Crockett Class). The Lone Star Republic is also the only country out there with LHDs.

Basically, you could buy the LHDs from someone who doesn't have the experience doing so, or from the guys who know what the Hell they are doing.

That is all.


Mr. Bean, when did you procure dedicated replenishment ships? Because converted/charted oilers are not "good refueling ships". Unless they are dropping anchor somewhere and you're coming along side to be gassed up that way(and you'd need to have a tug push you into place for the duration).

[PeZook]

The Norse population are finding things a bit too hot as of late in the Great Bear Republic of Californication. They may be setting up a trade port in Libertopia, most likely by bringing gifts, and pointing out that a scholar of Islam did indeed travel amoung the Norse, and that they are returning the favour.

Uh...Am I weird for not understanding what exactly this Norse guy's gripe is?

EDIT: Oh, BTW - PeZookia would be most glad to welcome the Byzantine Emperor and show him around.

[K. A. Pital]

Norse guy doesn't like spread of other religions. Norse guy doesn't like the "kangaroo courts" of his home nation. Norse guy wants to prop Sultan Ibrahim against the "dogs" of Orthodoxy. I hope now that's a little cleaner.

[PeZook]

Norse guy doesn't like spread of other religions. Norse guy doesn't like the "kangaroo courts" of his home nation. Norse guy wants to prop Sultan Ibrahim against the "dogs" of Orthodoxy. I hope now that's a little cleaner.

Uhh...but Ibrahim is a fucking muslim

Hardly a good ally for a bunch of Norse wankers.

[The Yosemite Bear]

except that the moslems actually did have trade envoys amoung the norse.

[PeZook]

except that the moslems actually did have trade envoys amoung the norse.

They were also world leaders in scientific thought...

...once