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[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Goddamn I hate this stuff. I'm illiterate next to you military masters, meaning I have an extreme disadvantage. I hope Stas is knowledgeable enough in these matters to help me out...

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Can I have a list of the world leaders and their names? I'm having a hard time... uhh... yeah.

Stas can probably get you S-300s. I wouldn't mind helping you with those but I think my production is all tied up for myself. By the start of next year, 1 new S-300 battalion and 1 new S-400 battalion should be ready on my side. They are training to use them and the rounds and radar are being carted to them.

[Shroom Man 777]

That's cool, but I'm thinking of tactics and strategies - of which I am a total n00b. Like, sure I can go "MacMillan builds some of these ABMs" but I'm really at a loss as to exactly what systems I need, how to deploy them, what I need, etc.

[Decue]

Can I have a list of the world leaders and their names? I'm having a hard time... uhh... yeah.

Urr, I haven't really called my guy something, I used Rufus once but then I noticed that someone else also used it... Two Rufus would probably be a bit confusing
Let it be known that the High Lord of all Gottish, Gothish and beyond shall be called "Bönne"

[Lonestar]

Bean,

Was that the kind of commercial you were looking for?

[Beowulf]

If you license them to other FUN corporations, we can start popping them like toadstools!

Buy my awesome missiles. If not, contract with my insanely awesome systems integrations peoples.

Or buy my awesome missiles, or contract with my insanely awesome system integrations peoples.

I don't think MEADS should qualify as a heavy SAM, though. It's more a medium SAM.

[Mr Bean]

Bean,

Was that the kind of commercial you were looking for?

Yes it was, OAN I keep losing this post, time to post/edit

Ok I'll be short, assuming I've spent the past ten months doing nothing with four thousand odd people getting ready to enter full production of the S-400, I already have a full tool-line to duplicate from from Shepnukstain, and assistance from Stas and the Red Technocracy which has something like two battalion I believe active.

Any missiles produce in the last ten months were used for QA assurance.
How many full systems(Missiles, radar, launchs, ect) can I now claim to be producing per month?

Assume a one point four billion dollar investment in production alone.
I need to get an idea on how quick I can ramp up production from where I am now, and when I can start exporting and improving my missile designs to S-500 or at least just a extend S-400 range to 1,500 mile range.

[Coyote]

Size wise, on the map, Neverhood's huge. And as for who I'm talking to? Well, whoever is their head of state now. Or, whoever has enough pull to claim that title and largely be accepted with it.

That's kind of something we've been loose with here-- obviously Sea Skimmer is not "Saddam the Great" but while some of us are RP'ing ourselves with minor modifications, some of us are also RP'ing completely unrelated people, it seems.

Well, as soon as someone from the Mess steps up to rule my country above me then it'll be back to operating as it did until now, without the -75% leadership bonus .

Canissia is in the best position, with common cultural ties, and with Byzantium at our flanks...

[Mr Bean]

#$%#% Card is finally dieing on me, damn I'm going to have to go buy a replacement at least.


OK, let me say one last thing.

I still have seven ships aviable for purchase, 65 million each and going fast. If I can't find a use for them I'll donate them to..... oh the Shadow Empire.

Do you want that maniac to have that much firepower under his control? For world peace buy them before I give them away.



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[DarthShady]

Do you want that maniac to have that much firepower under his control? For world peace buy them first?

Now, that's advertising.

[Vohu Manah]

I still have seven ships aviable for purchase, 65 million each and going fast. If I can't find a use for them I'll donate them to..... oh the Shadow Empire.

Do you want that maniac to have that much firepower under his control? For world peace buy them first?

The Qudlivun Free State would be interested in 2 - 4 of the Halifax-class frigates irregardless of whom you intend to donate the unsold hulls to.

[Sea Skimmer]

I don't think MEADS should qualify as a heavy SAM, though. It's more a medium SAM.

MEADS is a bit boarder line between being a heavy and medium system, you could call it medium mainly because of the fairly limited range of the PAC-3 missile it uses, but in terms of system weight, your looking at hauling around about fifty tons of crap to make it work, and you have significant setup time to deal with. Medium systems are usually a lot more mobile, but of course like so many US origin programs, emphasis is on air mobility and not tactical mobility.

Assume a one point four billion dollar investment in production alone.
I need to get an idea on how quick I can ramp up production from where I am now, and when I can start exporting and improving my missile designs to S-500 or at least just a extend S-400 range to 1,500 mile range.

1,500 miles? Are you fucking kidding, cause you sure aren’t going to even find aircraft at that range, or intending to build a pure ABM weapon?

As for cost, the pricetaq of a completely S-400 system (one battalion) is over 1 billion dollars with missiles. It’s just absurdly expensive, but then what do you expect when you need target acquisition radars which can look out 250 freaking miles and you shoot giant active radar guided SAMs. S-400 has every widget and every cost. Even Russia has only one battalion (which doesn't work, its being generous really to assume that people can make S-400 work even by 2010), with plans to buy just 1-2 battalions per year for about ten years.

Saddamistan is in any case quite satisfied to now be dumping its air defense budget into better command links, a dispersal strategy for interceptor and radar units, and nuclear warheads for its advanced but not bleeding edge air defense systems, especially for the all terrain and railway mobile S-300VM and Buk-M1-2 batteries (both of which can shoot the nukes at surface targets). Trying to screen yourself with a web of bleeding edge systems like S-400 is more then a bit too expensive to be worthwhile from my point of view, considering that just one nuclear tipped leaker will annihilate the entire billion dollar firing battery. Since each system is so expensive you can't wallpaper the country with them, and losing even one complete battery is bound to start opening up gaps; 250 mile range missiles don't equal the ability to hit a mach 1.73 F-22 as a crossing target at that distance and all.

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

OK, let me say one last thing.

I still have seven ships aviable for purchase, 65 million each and going fast. If I can't find a use for them I'll donate them to..... oh the Shadow Empire.

Do you want that maniac to have that much firepower under his control? For world peace buy them before I give them away.

If Qudlivun gets four of them, then the Duchy of Langley will get the remaining three.

[Mr Bean]

1,500 miles? Are you fucking kidding, cause you sure aren’t going to even find aircraft at that range, or intending to build a pure ABM weapon?

Yes I wanted a dedicated ABM missile, 500 mile range is fine for all normal uses, but I want a dedicated ABM only rocket(Years down the line of course)

As for cost, the pricetaq of a completely S-400 system (one battalion) is over 1 billion dollars with missiles. It’s just absurdly expensive, but then what do you expect when you need target acquisition radars which can look out 250 freaking miles and you shoot giant active radar guided SAMs. S-400 has every widget and every cost. Even Russia has only one battalion (which doesn't work, its being generous really to assume that people can make S-400 work even by 2010), with plans to buy just 1-2 battalions per year for about ten years.

I figured the prices I was getting were off base. A billion for the whole package(Missiles, Radar, Truck's Launchers) or just the missiles?

However I can free up an extra few billion... let see, I cut construction next year that lets me free up twenty odd billion.

Saddamistan is in any case quite satisfied to now be dumping its air defense budget into better command links, a dispersal strategy for interceptor and radar units, and nuclear warheads for its advanced but not bleeding edge air defense systems, especially for the all terrain and railway mobile S-300VM and Buk-M1-2 batteries (both of which can shoot the nukes at surface targets). Trying to screen yourself with a web of bleeding edge systems like S-400 is more then a bit too expensive to be worthwhile from my point of view, considering that just one nuclear tipped leaker will annihilate the entire billion dollar firing battery. Since each system is so expensive you can't wallpaper the country with them, and losing even one complete battery is bound to start opening up gaps; 250 mile range missiles don't equal the ability to hit a mach 1.73 F-22 as a crossing target at that distance and all.

The S-400 is better from my point of view because even if it is expensive(If a billion is correct I need to budget more, cue more force projecting military cuts)

While I'm out of OMSK I'm not going to need this many carriers, I'm no longer in the force projection game which means 2011 will see lots of military cuts to free up more for defense. ABM defense is at the top of that game, and having ultra-long range missiles is part of that.

And because we are talking about nuclear stand-off weaponry I'm going to have to invest in hordes of missile throwers so that should a twenty or thirty B-1's come tearing in I can throw six missiles per plane and keep throwing missile at them.

I call it, the Macross Missile Defense system. Lets show the world what a bloated runway defense budget can do!
(Of course I'm not opposed to using multiple weapon system)

For example, what about the crazy idea of using the shore based Mk-15 Phalanx's to help defend my missile batteries? At 6.8 million for one full Block 1B Phalanx system.

I'm looking for anything to thicken up my ABM defense and my anti-missile defense.

[Mr Bean]

If Qudlivun gets four of them, then the Duchy of Langley will get the remaining three.

Bring the total up for seven for Langley and Four for Qudivun? If so I'll cut the price to 60 million each for the seven, in the interests of making it a quick sell, drops the price to 420 million for all of them.

[MKSheppard]

And we're out of the Diocese....

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

If Qudlivun gets four of them, then the Duchy of Langley will get the remaining three.

Bring the total up for seven for Langley and Four for Qudivun? If so I'll cut the price to 60 million each for the seven, in the interests of making it a quick sell, drops the price to 420 million for all of them.

Seven Halifax frigates for US$420 million? There's still cash left over from that emergency defense fund, but I don't want to incur too much debt...

Actually, I think I'll take six frigates for US$360 million and have you sell the seventh to Qudlivun or whoever else wants it.

[Vohu Manah]

Seven Halifax frigates for US$420 million? There's still cash left over from that emergency defense fund, but I don't want to incur too much debt...

Actually, I think I'll take six frigates for US$360 million and have you sell the seventh to Qudlivun or whoever else wants it.

I'll take the extra.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Saddamistan is in any case quite satisfied to now be dumping its air defense budget into better command links, a dispersal strategy for interceptor and radar units, and nuclear warheads for its advanced but not bleeding edge air defense systems, especially for the all terrain and railway mobile S-300VM and Buk-M1-2 batteries (both of which can shoot the nukes at surface targets). Trying to screen yourself with a web of bleeding edge systems like S-400 is more then a bit too expensive to be worthwhile from my point of view, considering that just one nuclear tipped leaker will annihilate the entire billion dollar firing battery. Since each system is so expensive you can't wallpaper the country with them, and losing even one complete battery is bound to start opening up gaps; 250 mile range missiles don't equal the ability to hit a mach 1.73 F-22 as a crossing target at that distance and all.

I didn't know the S-300VM has nukes as warhead. What is the price of the S-300VM anyhow?

[Mr Bean]

Right, six to the Duchy and four to Quidiv
Next up, Carriers and Cruisers

[Dave]

(this is going to flow in and out of character, but I'm sure you can keep up. Still, posted in discussion.)

Oooof. Real Life concerns have kept me too busy to keep up with the events occurring in Terra Nova since late April. I just now found time to dig through in excess of 150 pages of the legalese and posturing you guys have built up.

Looks like the Republic of N'ton has sat out on a lot of major crises. Of course, you all aren't going to be too exited over a Dutchy of the FUN coming out of a nearly 'year'-long isolationist phase. We're just a Duchy. But I'm pleased to announce I (we, the Republic) should be reasonably active for the next few years, since I'm now on summer break.

Hang on, I'm still trying to get a handle on things...

First:
The Republic of N'ton welcomes both the Bear Republic and the Red Technocracy into the FUN.

Second:
Resources (Mr. Beans idea):
Fortunately or unfortunately, I declared stuff pretty early when the world was just starting up. As much as it would be nice to RET-CON all my exports to rhenium and selenium or something, I did declare quite early that I was focusing on iron and steel production, and I cannot, in good conscience, change that. Aluminum could be my other export of note, with minor exports closely following my quad-metallic currency standard. Here we go...

Major Exports:
Iron/Steel
Aluminum

Minor Exports:
Gold
Silver
Platinum
Copper

Other misc.:
The Basalt geography of Kerguelen (the island I based my map off of, so I used the geography as well) gives other metal oxides that can be refined, but probably at great energy cost. Yeah, I know, should have done my homework before declaring a lot of this stuff.

Third:
FUN Conference:

1) The FUN administrative body. What are its obligations, authority and voting rules.

As others have suggested, “Administrative Committee” will work. Perhaps the FAC for short?
No recommendations for authority.
Voting Rules: One Nation, One Vote. (I am the nation, and I have the... ok, just kidding.)
In the event of a tie, perhaps nations could be ranked by join date. Yeah, that would give me much more weight than the RT. That's a bad idea. But ranking by size is kinda mean... We could just work out ties when we get one.

Also, we oppose the permanent member status recommended by the Qudlivun Free State – this gives some countries a permanent advantage. I have never liked the permanent seats on the UN Sec. Council, since they were arbitrarily determined. Who cares who came out on top in WWII, this is supposed to be a meeting of all nations on equal footing to resolve world crises! Same goes for the FUN – who cares how big you are, who cares when you joined – just throw it all together.

2.) Separate FUN space program: yea or nay?

Yes, heck yes. Why was this not done sooner?
Should we add this to ISCA? Since ISCA so closely mirrors the FUN and is so successful, perhaps just adding this to the ISCA (rename it to the InterStellar Coordination Association ) or creating another corporation to handle the space side of things.

But let's skip the communications and mapping stuff, that's been done literally three times over . Let's put just enough sats up for 100% communications coverage, then shoot for the moon (I don't care which one.) Let's put a base up there devoted to science, tourism, and as a stepping stone to the interplanetary space phase. Dude:
Fuck LEO, Fuck MEO, Fuck GEO – let's get the Fuck out of here and go on to the Moon!
Yeah, I know, we should do testing in orbit. But seriously, let's set our sights higher.

3.) The FUN's defense strategy, particularly Joint Air and Sea Defense.

Defending our nation-states and our commerce. That's what we're here for. As for intervention – absolutely minimal. I've got a hands-off policy in mind for Terra Liberteria, that or non-militaristic economic stimulus and infrastructure reconstruction. Start offering micro-loans.

4.) Obviously, Saddamistan and Libertia. Goddamned Libertia!

I mentioned Liberteria above.
As for Saddamistan and Shepnukistan – I do not condone the construction of nuclear weapons as a deterrent. I don't think we need them. A medium sized conventional military to protect our assets and ourselves is sufficient. If we are attacked, I feel that the international community will come to our aid. Let me repeat myself: NO NUKES!

I do have a significant (relative, I'm just a Duchy!) air-drop ability from transport planes I bought from the RT. That, and I'll be putting a fair amount of money into CR's airship industry, as well as the ISCA. The membership kickback from ISCA FY 2010 will be well invested in FY 2011!

Speaking of which, I guess, ISCA's FY 2011 isn't shaping up so well, is it?

EDIT: Grammar.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Right, six to the Duchy and four to Quidiv
Next up, Carriers and Cruisers

You are selling Carriers!?

[Vohu Manah]

Right, six to the Duchy and four to Quidiv
Next up, Carriers and Cruisers

I'll take 5 total if you still have the spare Halifax-class frigate (the one Langley didn't want).

[Mr Bean]

Right, six to the Duchy and four to Quidiv
Next up, Carriers and Cruisers

You are selling Carriers!?

I'm getting out of the power projection business, thus I'm removing the carriers from the North and South fleet and offering them up... after the end of this year.

Why do I need carriers when I don't plan to send my airplanes anywhere?

Or to put it another way, does England need carriers to fight Ireland?
No, but if it wants to project power in Iraq then yes those are helpful.
I'm looking at massivly cutting my OOB and offering up lots of things onto the international arms market.

Again, whatever does not sell gets Donated to Shadow.
Well maybe not Shadow, if I do that, people might band togther and undercut my prices buy purchasing from Shady after I donate everything to him.

Better to say, I'll donate everything directly to Shepnukstain if not purchased, heck the Mess would be willing to buy just to blow the shit up and keep it out of Sheppard's hands.

[MKSheppard]

Better to say, I'll donate everything directly to Shepnukstain if not purchased, heck the Mess would be willing to buy just to blow the shit up and keep it out of Sheppard's hands.

Shepnukistan isn't interested in the carriers either. We're just happy with our three carriers as it is.

[K. A. Pital]

So, I take it the Neverhoodian revolt has succeded. Or?