SDN World 3 Commentary Thread II

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

Hrm, Asteroids or Supervolcanoes, asteroids or supervolcanoes....

I vote manspiders. The entire Manchurian cabinet can 'fall in love with the manspiders'. It'll look like suicide!

Nah. I vote Shroom comes along and makes them all homosexuals.

I would vote that Chiang Kai-shek overthrows the Qing Emperor and stages his own invasion of Manchuria, but I'm not really sure what the situation is regarding the Kuomintang (assuming it still exists after the apparent quashing of the Xinhai Rebellion). Were the KMT's leaders executed for treason by the Emperor, or were they simply exiled?

While I'm still on that subject, is Mao Zedong still around in southern China dicking around with his fellow Communists? What about other officers who were historically warlords, such as Bai Chongxi, Li Zongren, and Yen Hsi-shan? Were they executed or exiled for their involvement with the KMT, or were they pressed into service with the Qing Empire?

[Ma Deuce]

Oh wow, that is rich. I check in today to find Manchuria the unconditional surrender of the USSR? I'd like to think that is some kind of bargaining ploy to extract lesser concessions out of the Soviets rather than an honest demand, but yeah it looks pretty incredulous nonetheless.

Anyway, I've also got my Q4 build queue up; if anyone sees anything that shouldn't be there, let me know right quick. .

[Lascaris]

Entire canal board? I don't recall getting any invitation and if Byzantium and France are in the Canal, Cisplatina as an American power with a 4 economy would certainly be in the canal board as well.

You are not on the board. The members are: Columbia,Byzantium, Cascadia, United States, France, Tuscany, Germany. Ryan explicitly asked if anyone else was interested.

He was asking for people to pay. Not for people that might have paid 2 decades earlier

[Thanas]

Eh, no. This is all about people who paid 2 decades earlier.

[Beowulf]

So, what terms would the Soviets accept that would accomplish the Manchu war aim of: Not have the Soviets invade again in 10 or 20 years? This is the second invasion in as many decades, the Kingdom of Manchuria does not want a third, and unless there is something much more significant that the Soviets losing, going back across the border, and then getting a peace treaty with them still at that same border, they are going to do exactly that. Stas was even explicit about that: The soviets will invade, and invade, and invade, until 1945 comes around. And as the war is right now, there's not a chance in hell of the Soviets agreeing to anything that will prevent that. So I might as well go outrageous, and only have one term for the other players to bitch about.

[Norseman]

You could give them a pacific coast That'd stop the invasions.

[Ryan Thunder]

He was asking for people to pay. Not for people that might have paid 2 decades earlier

Yeah, sorry Lascaris, but in order to be on the canal board you have to have either been there from the beginning, or the board would have to let you in for your helping out. Either way, that hasn't happened.

I don't have veto power either, excluding a few very specific issues.

[Lascaris]

On another thing can we have a thread for aircraft and tank design? I know the customized designs are relatively few yet but chances only are they'll increase and it's a little impractical hunting them down in the OOC thread.

[Steve]

Given the game's attention to minutiae is irritating the hell out of some players, I'm not inclined to liking any of the design threads.

[Ryan Thunder]

A thread to discuss minutae is fine by me.

When whether you paid attention to it starts making the difference between total failure and parity is where I get pissed.

[CmdrWilkens]

Actually, I'm curious as to why Shepistan would even care about the trans-Isthmus canals in Central America. It's an Indian Ocean power. What trade does it have that needs the Canal?

Because it makes about as much fucking sense as a lot of this game. That's why.

And people keep failing to note that all of my posts on the political side seem to originate not from the Reichstag, Congress, or whatever; but ARMY HOUSE, SHEPISTAN

That alone should tell you where the real power in things lie in Shepistan -- while there are political parties and such; their power is quite limited; they're limited to sqawking and rubberstamping whatever von Shapp says.

And once again fails to explain how you told me point blank that you would declare open season on Mexican shipping because of the anti-communist ruckus it would stir up. Seriously if you just want to dick around fine but try and actually dick around in a way that makes some sense.

[Ma Deuce]

Shep, three liners = 48.000 troops? That is impossible. Only the Queen Mary ever managed to do that and that was over a shorter distance, with no heavy equipment and that ship displaces 30kt more than the liners you can theoretically build (55kt).

After being seized by the US and refitted for war service, the 54kt Vaterland/Leviathan was able to carry up to 14,000 troops from the US to France per trip during WWI. By that measure, 48,000 in three liners might be stretching things a little, but it's not completely unbelievable.

[Thanas]

So, what terms would the Soviets accept that would accomplish the Manchu war aim of: Not have the Soviets invade again in 10 or 20 years? This is the second invasion in as many decades, the Kingdom of Manchuria does not want a third, and unless there is something much more significant that the Soviets losing, going back across the border, and then getting a peace treaty with them still at that same border, they are going to do exactly that. Stas was even explicit about that: The soviets will invade, and invade, and invade, until 1945 comes around. And as the war is right now, there's not a chance in hell of the Soviets agreeing to anything that will prevent that. So I might as well go outrageous, and only have one term for the other players to bitch about.

Then I guess the war will continue. Your move now.

[CmdrWilkens]

Ryan, how the hell did you get cruisers in to the Gulf of Mexico?

[Steve]

I'd like to see people making more IC posts. The game seems to be slowing even if there are events to react to, and I see a few players who haven't been around in a long while (Plus, Shinn, I haven't seen you even reply to an IM I sent). Players who haven't posted by this Saturday (not counting those who've clearly posted IC in the past few days) may be considered out of the game and their countries under mod control as NPCs and open for others to claim.

[Thanas]

Ryan, how the hell did you get cruisers in to the Gulf of Mexico?

Just guessing, but maybe he has some usually out on patrol? I mean, it is not like Navies stayed in port all the time.

[DarthShady]

Thanas, check your PM's.

[Akhlut]

I'd like to see people making more IC posts. The game seems to be slowing even if there are events to react to, and I see a few players who haven't been around in a long while (Plus, Shinn, I haven't seen you even reply to an IM I sent). Players who haven't posted by this Saturday (not counting those who've clearly posted IC in the past few days) may be considered out of the game and their countries under mod control as NPCs and open for others to claim.

Is Mongolia under the jurisdiction of "clearly posted IC in the past few days" in spite of my post happening a week ago? Just wondering, because, honestly, there's not a whole lot Mongolia can do without some sort of major conference going on (since the Hague International imploded due to being invaded), without the Afghani-Shepistani conflict moving forward, and by our staunch commitment to not get involved militarily in the Soviet-Manchu-Chinese clusterfuck conflict.

[loomer]

Yeah, I honestly don't have much to post until Shep does, except more forces arriving at the border.

[Steve]

I'll consider you active for the moment being, but I'd like some more story activity, even if it's leader characters pondering world events. Or maybe a slice of life post? Or one on domestic issues?

Note this applies to myself, and I'll try to get another IC post up this week.

[Akhlut]

Okay, I'll try and get something out in the next few days, once I figure out what the hell to post.

[Ryan Thunder]

Note this applies to myself

It'd be pretty amusing if you forgot, after saying that.

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

(Plus, Shinn, I haven't seen you even reply to an IM I sent)

If it's about ceding territory in Indochina to Siam, I'm obviously not giving up Vietnam. Did Baerne reply, for that matter? He hasn't been particularly active either, as far as I've seen.

To be honest, there's basically not a whole lot the Southeast Asian Union can do at the moment. I can't even write a story post about Selvaria Bles and the Union volunteer force in Manchuria due to that clusterfuck being bogged down. I can't really dick around with the Imperial Chinese until I get clarification on the final fate of the Kuomintang. At the very least, I'm neutral towards Siam.

[Steve]

Baerne agreed to give Laos and a bit of Cambodia to the Siam player, but he maintains coastal Cambodia. Of course, the Siam player needs to actually post more than point thread generation and I will ask for such tonight.

[CmdrWilkens]

Ryan, how the hell did you get cruisers in to the Gulf of Mexico?

Just guessing, but maybe he has some usually out on patrol? I mean, it is not like Navies stayed in port all the time.

It got answered in AIM last night but there was a map sent by each of us of starting positions on D-Day which listed relative unit locations at the start of hostilities. In this case all units were in port. Anyway like I said Ryan answered and it was how I expected, they took the long way around to avoid being identified by spotters on the dozen or so islands I have in the Antilles.