Modern World STGOD Concept

[The Romulan Republic]

Maybe. But I'm still interested in my colonies being attacked.

I understand that most of Britonia's fleet would be busy fighting Thanas's country. But could they have spared some cruisers or destroyers? Anything more than that would probably massacre a navy as small as mine is likely to be. Thanas, could you way in on weather this would fit with what you've written?

[Thanas]

I think we might have too many countries fighting Britonia/Nippon at this rate. I think the better question to ask would be what reason they would have to attack you?

[Skywalker_T-65]

I'm thinking Arcadia is going to stay neutral for what that's worth. I don't see a real way to get them involved considering supporting Rheinland, but also allowing Britonian Royals who are married into the Arcadian Families to stay in the country (I'm growing rather attached to that idea to be honest. Though I also will make darn sure they don't claim anything, and neither would the government).

[Beowulf]

I'm thinking Arcadia is going to stay neutral for what that's worth. I don't see a real way to get them involved considering supporting Rheinland, but also allowing Britonian Royals who are married into the Arcadian Families to stay in the country (I'm growing rather attached to that idea to be honest. Though I also will make darn sure they don't claim anything, and neither would the government).

Another member of the Armed Neutrality movement? Tianguo was very much unsupportive of either side in the second Great War.

[The Romulan Republic]

I think we might have too many countries fighting Britonia/Nippon at this rate. I think the better question to ask would be what reason they would have to attack you?

Perhaps Corona's alliance with Orion. Also, the islands might be a good place for ships being sent to fight Orion to get more supplies. And Corona's little, so Britonia might have thought the islands were an easy target.

[Eternal_Freedom]

I think we might have too many countries fighting Britonia/Nippon at this rate. I think the better question to ask would be what reason they would have to attack you?

Perhaps Corona's alliance with Orion. Also, the islands might be a good place for ships being sent to fight Orion to get more supplies. And Corona's little, so Britonia might have thought the islands were an easy target.

It's possible for you to be involved without actually fighting, perhaps by providing monetary aid to your allies.

[The Romulan Republic]

That's true. But I'd like Corona to have had some naval battles against something besides pirates in the last century.

[Eternal_Freedom]

Well, our relations soured after 1946/7, so it is conceivable that we might have had a skirmish or two at times.

[Thanas]

That's true. But I'd like Corona to have had some naval battles against something besides pirates in the last century.

Omnia might be an option?

Otherwise you might have vultured onto the Rheinland side when the tides were turning but I am not sure Britonia would concern themselves much with it.


EDIT: Or, and this might be totally out of left field, maybe some coupist/seperatist of your nation hired the Likedeeler and Landsknechte of Rheinland to back up his claim, whose invasion was then held off by your forces and who eventually left when the coupist got killed by your forces. This would give you some fight with semi-modern forces with little to no consequences for the relations between nations.

[Simon_Jester]

It might be nice to have a few nations that fought on the Britonian side and were not utterly annihilated/annexed for their pains. I mean, the analogy here is to the World Wars, and Germany, Italy, Japan and such still exist as sovereign nations...

[Skywalker_T-65]

That is a valid point. I think we only have...
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Do we have anyone who fought on the Britonian/Nipponese side?

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

That is a valid point. I think we only have...
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Do we have anyone who fought on the Britonian/Nipponese side?

I guess everyone neglected to note that I volunteered to support them materially at the least.

[Thanas]

About that, did you decide about my proposal about how it went down?

[The Romulan Republic]

That's true. But I'd like Corona to have had some naval battles against something besides pirates in the last century.

Omnia might be an option?

Otherwise you might have vultured onto the Rheinland side when the tides were turning but I am not sure Britonia would concern themselves much with it.


EDIT: Or, and this might be totally out of left field, maybe some coupist/seperatist of your nation hired the Likedeeler and Landsknechte of Rheinland to back up his claim, whose invasion was then held off by your forces and who eventually left when the coupist got killed by your forces. This would give you some fight with semi-modern forces with little to no consequences for the relations between nations.

How likely is it that Corona would survive a war with Omnia? And my separatists haven't gotten to the point of deploying armies yet.

Corona's probably going to have been fighting in the war with Britonia to some extent unless I don't have the alliance with Orion. But I can keep Corona out of the war if its really necessary.

Eternal_Freedom, that's an interesting idea but I hadn't planned on our relationship being quite that bad yet. And I doubt Corona would fight you unless you attacked it or an ally of it first.

Edit: well, something like genocide might get us to attack you.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

I'm thinking that the Daedalean Empire supported Britonia materially during the war, and was forced to pay reparations after the war, eventually leading to the bankruptcy of the state and thus creating conditions conducive for the revolution.

I got no problem with that and it kinda makes sense that the Empire tried to get supremacy by supporting Britonia, however I don't know how Rheinland could have forced them to pay reparations considering the country was pretty wrecked and Daedalean Empire was still strong....maybe a different way to get the end result might be that the Empire gave massive war loans to Britonia/Nippon which Rheinland obviously did not pay back after conquering them, so that drove the Empire into bankruptcy?

I think the Empire shouldn't be as "strong" as we should think. I think it should be along the lines of how Imperial Russia was before WWI. Sure we had a modern army and all, but corruption and nepotism and the ruling oligarchy were soaking up a good bit of the economy and people were not very happy with that. Getting dragged into a war nobody wanted to fight was very deleterious to the already not so good economy.

I think maybe I should up the commit level to actually supplying troops which the were transported by eiither Nippon or Britonia and a good number died due to poor generalship. By war's end, people were openly rebellious, and after a decade or so simmering low level revolt before it blew up into a full scale revolution.

[Thanas]

Assuming it wouldn't lead to bad blood between our current nations, they might just as well have tried a surprise war against Rheinland but the war effort might have collapsed after a series of counterattacks in the vein of the IRL Kharkov offensive lead to heavy unexpected losses, thus causing a collapse of the home front. This would then have resulted in a quick white peace as Rheinland was not interested in territorial gains in the east.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Assuming it wouldn't lead to bad blood between our current nations, they might just as well have tried a surprise war against Rheinland but the war effort might have collapsed after a series of counterattacks in the vein of the IRL Kharkov offensive lead to heavy unexpected losses, thus causing a collapse of the home front. This would then have resulted in a quick white peace as Rheinland was not interested in territorial gains in the east.

Yeah I think something opportunistic would work. The army is mostly made of poorly trained conscripts and I would imagine losses were probably staggering enough to convince the Daedalean Empire to sue for peace.

[Thanas]

Something like Operation Mars then? I think the scale would work well, especially with Rheinland being able to shift several veteran panzer divisions from the west. A single failed offensive like this - despite not leading to territorial losses - would probably be enough to topple a giant with feet of clay, especially if a counterattack was threatening to happen.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Something like Operation Mars then? I think the scale would work well, especially with Rheinland being able to shift several veteran panzer divisions from the west. A single failed offensive like this - despite not leading to territorial losses - would probably be enough to topple a giant with feet of clay, especially if a counterattack was threatening to happen.

Yeah. That might work.

Or maybe something more drawn out. Say, an overly ambitious broad assault across a big front, but one of the two pincers was isolated and encircled, forcing the other pincer to fall back a little at risk of encirclement. The isolated pincer fights on for a while, before collapsing and forced to flee in chaos. Lots of losses result.

[Thanas]

Ah, a WWII version of Tannenberg/Masurian Lakes then, on a grander scale? Would fit in well with the theme of several factions hating each other among the empire, to the point of corruption and this infighting dooming a coordinated attack which might have succeeded otherwise due to surprise / superiority in numers.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Ah, a WWII version of Tannenberg/Masurian Lakes then, on a grander scale? Would fit in well with the theme of several factions hating each other among the empire, to the point of corruption and this infighting dooming a coordinated attack which might have succeeded otherwise due to surprise / superiority in numers.

Ah yes. I recall such a battle. That would work. Generals not liking each other, refusing to support the other one well enough. And yeah, the entire thing collapses.

[Jub]

Dreisgrond, a much more functional and powerful state during the 80 years war, could have fought on Britonia's side in the war. However we likely joined in as rather fair weather allies when the war was still looking at least some what equal, possibly even looking is if Britonia might have an upper hand. We would have fought earnestly and provided heavy support right until it was clear Dreisgrond herself was under serious threat. That's when we'd have started to withdraw into a much more defensive stance limiting the men and material we sent over after this point.

[Steve]

Dreisgrond being on that side of the war significantly alters the continental war, however; you're basically demanding that Cascadia have fielded a sizable army in the north to thwart any Dreisgrondian attack, and unless your nation's navy was fairly small you've just drastically altered the naval power balance.

I already need Cascadia to have fought a massive land war with Klavostan and to have fielded the Marines and troops to protect Patagonia and to invade New Britonia.

And there's no telling how Tianguo reacted to that.

[Simon_Jester]

Well, we've got to somehow explain the war not being a complete 'they go splat' scenario, and there are like ten countries all declaring war on the two designated villains.

[Steve]

So far we have the following.

Allies: Rheinland, Cascadia, Fuso
Axis: Britonia, Nippon, Klavostan

E_F wants Orion to have been a belligerent and to have fought a war with the Britonians over their colonies opposite his island kingdom. TRR wants someone to have attacked Corona's island colonies, Fin has talked about some pre-revolution involvement in the war on the Axis side, and Force Lord has indicated Granadia would be pro-Rheinlander. Now Jub is saying he'd be in the Axis because of the concerns that the Axis is going to be overwhelmed by all the people want to say "we fought Britonia!"

I don't mind WWII having been a, well, massive globial war, but I'd like to get an idea of what everyone wants from it in backstory purposes so we can see if it fits or if a separate war would be easier.

For instance, Orion wants his part in the war to show his country's slide to fascism with the ethnic cleansing. Fine. But does it have to be Britonia proper as the belligerent, or could he have said conflict against the post-colonial states formed from their Empire?

As we load countries up as belligerents, we have to keep things equal in some way or another. Make them late-comers to the war in some way, etc. For instance, with E_F's example, maybe Orion only declared war in 1944 when it was clear Britonia was faltering, but their plan for a quick victory faded as the Britonian colonial units in the area were quick to defeat their first attacks, with what bomber units they had hitting Orion cities.