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Yes we did spend an entire 1250 posts not playing the game but planning it.

Have at it.

Nations By Continent, I think. (Massively Incomplete and/or Incompetent)

Old Continent:
Sovereignty of Shroomainia(Shroom Man 777)[Island]
II Republic of Pezookia (PeZook)
Khitan(Mr. Bean)
United Shadow Socialist Republic(DarthShady)
The Byzantine Empire(Fingolfin_Noldor)
United Republics of Anticlere and Cybiades(Pollux)
Republic of Canissia(Coyote)
Unknown Country(Stas Bush)
Japanistan(Sea Skimmer)
Arab NPC State or States
Breakaway NPC Shadow State

"New" Continent
The Old Dominion(Lonestar)
Shepistan(MKSheppard)
Unknown Country(MariusRoi)[Possible]
The Sirnoth Principality(Setzer)
(Other, Unknown States)

Frequesue
San Dorado(Siegetank)
Indhopal(Raj Ahten)
Coilerberg(Coiler)
The Kingdom of Vineyards(Karmic Knight)
Assorted Third World NPC Shitholes

"Fourth" Continent[Possible]
Unknown Country(Beowulf)
Unknown Country(Steve)[Possible]
Wilkonia(CmdrWilkens)
The Shinra Republic(RogueIce)[Island]

Current Location Unknown
Kingdom of Serenity(Grand Moff Yenchin)
Republic of Cialan(Bluewolf)
Unknown Country[Possibly Zoria](Zor)
The Most Serene Republic of Ninhursag(Vohu Manah)
The Duchy of Langley(Shinn Langley Soryu)
Incorporated Republic of Tonkin(phongn)[Possible Island]

NOTE: I apologize to anyone and everyone who I missed, misplaced or misidentified.

EDIT:List Updated. (Still probably containing wrong information)

I think that's a pretty good summation. My weeks of hostipal duty is nearly over, so I can resume to full active kickassery!

Karmic Knight wrote:"New Continent"
The Old Dominion(Lonestar)
Shepistan(MKSheppard)
The Shinra Republic(RogueIce)
(Other, Unknown States)

Um, no. I'm either an island nation, or if people are going to continue to be butthurt over that concept, I'm working on a different continent with the help of Beowulf, Wilkens, and possibly Steve (who didn't give me an answer yet).

Well, there's plenty of room for 5 or so continents. I would dare say the scale for the last game was really too small. I would like to have a diversity of aircraft.

Islands can still be part of a continent though: see Shroomania, which is an island nation ala Great Britain. Still, it won't hurt to have another continent in the mix -- plenty of nations need a place somewhere on the map...

Wasn't there an idea of an archipelago between the two primary landmasses?

I think the best measure to this problem of islands and land masses is to have several continents, or several groups of large island masses together or something of the like. Each continent will have its own interpolitical dynamic and I say, spread them out evenly with their own problems etc.

Okay, so my history post shot itself in the face out of despair while I was editing it to add WWII. So I had to make another one

I've decided to just describe WWII from the PeZookian point of view, and let everybody else scream bloody murder if I miss crediting somebody or do something wrong, so that I can add it later on

EDIT: On island nations: come on, people! What's the problem? So some people are somewhat less vulnerable to attack: but they are also massively dependent on sea lanes staying open, or they starve (literally or industrially )

I don't think this is gonna be a problem.

PeZook wrote:Okay, so my history post shot itself in the face out of despair while I was editing it to add WWII. So I had to make another one

Damn! What?!

I've decided to just describe WWII from the PeZookian point of view, and let everybody else scream bloody murder if I miss crediting somebody or do something wrong, so that I can add it later on

My Camp

Maybe we can reverse the situation of War of the Worlds 2? Maybe with the war happening first in the New Continent, with Shepnukistan and the Old Dominion, and the MESS and Japistan and the archipelagos.

We would then try to support them, but we still have to watch the Shadows.

Then something-something and then we get our own Pearl Harbor analog and go to war with the Shadows.

Oh, and if we DO go with a Pacific War - then Shroomania will have to extend itself in defending its colonial or post-colonial properties. Which would play into the hands of the Shadows.


EDIT:

As for island nations, I think it's okay.

Maybe Shepistan and the Old Dominion could occupy a rather large land mass, maybe it's own continent - ala Australia (but halved into Pakistan/India analogies). Then we could have Rogue's nation, plus the other island nations and archipelagos and former colonies and MESS guys forming a cluster of small, medium and large island nations.

Sort of like the South East Asia + Australian area. Pacific war! Island to island fighting! Fuck yeah!

Shroom Man 777 wrote: Damn! What?!

I exceeded the character limit...so I press "preview" and WHAM - empty post. Then I started screaming in terror, but it turned out pressing "back" in FireFox saved the post.

Crisis averted!

Maybe we can reverse the situation of War of the Worlds 2? Maybe with the war happening first in the New Continent, with Shepnukistan and the Old Dominion, and the MESS and Japistan and the archipelagos.

Well, I ripped off WWII straight down, but I can easily move the Old Continent part of the ballet to a later date in the war if people like the idea.

The Showdown for Shroomania!

Winston (Church)Shroom!

Damn!

Maybe Byzantium should finally intervene.

But let me think about how best to do this.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Maybe Byzantium should finally intervene.

But let me think about how best to do this.

I was thinking something like that Mexican Telegram: Itler gets the arab states to pounce on Byzantium, promising them aid. The Arabs do, and surprise the Byzantines a bit.

Then we can have desert warfare, and the Afrika Korps and all

Meanwhile the Byzantine Navy wages war on the high seas, while the Shadows mercilessly pound Shroomania from the air. Eventually, a MESS ship is torpedoes, the MESS gets more and more involved in the fighting, whch culminates in a landing in PeZookia to liberate the country.

At the same time, Stas can get involved and smash Itler's teeth in with a hammer.

And sickle

PeZook wrote:

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Maybe Byzantium should finally intervene.

But let me think about how best to do this.

I was thinking something like that Mexican Telegram: Itler gets the arab states to pounce on Byzantium, promising them aid. The Arabs do, and surprise the Byzantines a bit.

Then we can have desert warfare, and the Afrika Korps and all

Meanwhile the Byzantine Navy wages war on the high seas, while the Shadows mercilessly pound Shroomania from the air. Eventually, a MESS ship is torpedoes, the MESS gets more and more involved in the fighting, whch culminates in a landing in PeZookia to liberate the country.

At the same time, Stas can get involved and smash Itler's teeth in with a hammer.

And sickle

Possibly. Well, the Arabs should know that I happen to be the main extractor of oil from Arabia, any stupidity from them will result in the destruction of the taps, along with any revenue.

What can be done rather, is that Shadow and their allies attempt to make a grab for Arabia to get the oil. Arab Caliphates are unable to fight off the invasion, prompting a Byzantine retaliation who come to the aid of their partners. A war of sorts erupts, with Byzantine mobile armies surging through the desert clashing with the blitzkrieg head on. Blood is spilled, before the invaders realise they were bleed lots of troops.

Of course, that means I will be fighting on the northern frontier with the navy fight the Shadow navy head-on.

I added a new bit to my history describing the years between the wars. Should set the stage for a MESS alliance.

Heeheee... if we keep this up, there won't be any story left to write when it's time to start!

Coyote wrote:Heeheee... if we keep this up, there won't be any story left to write when it's time to start!

I think too many of us enjoy writing stories. This is fast turning into a mini-story of sorts.

EDIT: Just a quick question: How many C-17s or An-124s (They are Strategic transports, right?) will it take to transport 60 LAV-IIIs, or BMP-4s?

To be more precise, I'm working on a force structure for my airbourne units, and well, I was thinking of mechanising them, i.e.

Airborne Division
7200 parachute troops (8 units)
3 BN field SP arty
4 BN utility helicopter
2 BN attack helicopter
2 BN heavy lift helicopter
60 IFV (Mix of AAV, IFV, Fire Supp)
32 Light ADA
Total: 27 pts

So essentially I want to figure how many transports I need to deploy the whole lot on the fly.

Joe Itler vs Winston (Church)Shroom!

The battle of the century.

Awesome writing PeZook.

Added a religious dynamic to the war. The Patriarch of the Shadow Empire was declared to be a schismatic heretic, and thus declared anathema.

Here's my Lego-block "build-your-own-army" kit, updated now with Aviation Brigades, for the perusal of all:



INFANTRY BRIGADE:
Infantry, Light: 2 points
Infantry, Airborne: 3 points
Infantry, Motorized : 4 points
Infantry, Mechanized: 5 points


TRAINING MODIFIERS:
Screaming Horde (Only available for "Infantry, Light"): 0 points.
Conscript Training (most basic training): +1 to cost per Brigade.
Professional Service (basic plus professionalism, initiative): +2 to cost per Brigade
Legacy/Guards Brigade (exceptionally high standards, history to live up to): +3 to cost per Brigade

Elite Forces Infantry (Rangers): +5 to cost of Brigade; limited to 2 such BrigadeS per country level.

Special Forces Brigade: +10 per cost of Brigade; limited to 1 such Brigade per country level. ("Green Berets"; Spetznaz; SEALS; Delta; GSG-9; Sayyeret Matkal; SAS, etc)



EQUIPMENT MODIFIERS:
"Warlord Militia": Bring your own gun: +0 cost to Brigade.
"Third World": AK-47, canteen, backpack, uniform, blanket, steel helmet. Good luck. +1 cost to Brigade.
"Conscript": Basic kit plus a few amenities, sleeping bag: +2 to Brigade.
"Professional": Well-kitted, high-performance gear, radios, GPS: +3 cost to Brigade.
"Elite Kit": High-performance gear plus gadgets, gizmos, sniper scopes, laser sights, etc: +4 cost per Brigade.


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ARMORED BRIGADE:
Armored, Light/Tankettes w/Machineguns only: 3 points
Armored, Airborne or Amphib: 5 points
Armored Cavalry "Medium": 5 points
Armored, Heavy: 6 points


TRAINING MODIFIERS:
Screaming Horde (In other words, "Technicals"): 0 points.
Conscript Training (most basic training): +1 to cost per Brigade.
Professional Service (basic plus professionalism, initiative): +2 to cost per Brigade
Legacy/Guards Brigade (exceptionally high standards, history to live up to): +3 to cost per Brigade


EQUIPMENT MODIFIERS:
"Warlord Militia": Technicals w/Machinehguns, RPGs: +0 cost to Brigade.
"Third World": Gen-I tanks, WW2 & 1950's leftovers: +1 cost to Brigade.
"Conscript": Gen-II/60's & 70's era tanks: +2 to Brigade.
"Professional": Gen-III 80's era tanks: +3 cost to Brigade.
"Elite Kit": Gen-IV 90's & '00's-era latest whizbang tanks +4 cost per Brigade.


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AVIATION BRIGADE:
Aviation, Light Helicopter (light-armed scout helos, limited lift capacity): 2 points
Aviation, Attack Helicopter (combat gunships & scouts, limited lift capacity): 3 points
Aviation, Heliborne Assault (air cavalry-- scouts, gunships, troop-landing helos): 4 points
Aviation, Tactical Strike (fighter planes for close-air support, no real lift capacity): 5 points
Aviation, Tactical Transport (transport planes like C-130s for troop-landing): 5 points




TRAINING MODIFIERS:
Disorganized Barnstormers: 0 points.
Conscript Training (most basic training): +1 to cost per Brigade.
Professional Service (basic plus professionalism, initiative): +2 to cost per Brigade
Legacy/Guards Brigade (exceptionally high standards, history to live up to): +3 to cost per Brigade

Elite/Special Forces Aviation (for Rangers/SF): +5 to cost of Brigade; limited to 2 such BrigadeS per country level.
BONUS: TACTICAL TRANSPORT with ELITE KIT comes with 4 airborne Gunships (AC-130 "Spectre" type, etc).



EQUIPMENT MODIFIERS:
"Disorganized Barnstormers": Bring your own Refit WW2 and 1950's-era propellor plane: +0 cost to Brigade.
"Third World": Early jet age/1950's & 60's era. +1 cost to Brigade.
"Conscript": Cold War era 1970's & 1980's type aircraft: +2 to Brigade.
"Professional": High-performance 1990's ear aircraft: +3 cost to Brigade.
"Elite Kit": Latest generation/Space-age/edge-of-atmosphere stuff: +4 cost per Brigade.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Added a religious dynamic to the war. The Patriarch of the Shadow Empire was declared to be a schismatic heretic, and thus declared anathema.

This keeps getting more and more interesting.

Coyote wrote:Here's my Lego-block "build-your-own-army" kit, updated now with Aviation Brigades, for the perusal of all:



INFANTRY BRIGADE:
Infantry, Light: 2 points
Infantry, Airborne: 3 points
Infantry, Motorized : 4 points
Infantry, Mechanized: 5 points


TRAINING MODIFIERS:
Screaming Horde (Only available for "Infantry, Light"): 0 points.
Conscript Training (most basic training): +1 to cost per Brigade.
Professional Service (basic plus professionalism, initiative): +2 to cost per Brigade
Legacy/Guards Brigade (exceptionally high standards, history to live up to): +3 to cost per Brigade

Elite Forces Infantry (Rangers): +5 to cost of Brigade; limited to 2 such BrigadeS per country level.

Special Forces Brigade: +10 per cost of Brigade; limited to 1 such Brigade per country level. ("Green Berets"; Spetznaz; SEALS; Delta; GSG-9; Sayyeret Matkal; SAS, etc)



EQUIPMENT MODIFIERS:
"Warlord Militia": Bring your own gun: +0 cost to Brigade.
"Third World": AK-47, canteen, backpack, uniform, blanket, steel helmet. Good luck. +1 cost to Brigade.
"Conscript": Basic kit plus a few amenities, sleeping bag: +2 to Brigade.
"Professional": Well-kitted, high-performance gear, radios, GPS: +3 cost to Brigade.
"Elite Kit": High-performance gear plus gadgets, gizmos, sniper scopes, laser sights, etc: +4 cost per Brigade.


===================================


ARMORED BRIGADE:
Armored, Light/Tankettes w/Machineguns only: 3 points
Armored, Airborne or Amphib: 5 points
Armored Cavalry "Medium": 5 points
Armored, Heavy: 6 points


TRAINING MODIFIERS:
Screaming Horde (In other words, "Technicals"): 0 points.
Conscript Training (most basic training): +1 to cost per Brigade.
Professional Service (basic plus professionalism, initiative): +2 to cost per Brigade
Legacy/Guards Brigade (exceptionally high standards, history to live up to): +3 to cost per Brigade


EQUIPMENT MODIFIERS:
"Warlord Militia": Technicals w/Machinehguns, RPGs: +0 cost to Brigade.
"Third World": Gen-I tanks, WW2 & 1950's leftovers: +1 cost to Brigade.
"Conscript": Gen-II/60's & 70's era tanks: +2 to Brigade.
"Professional": Gen-III 80's era tanks: +3 cost to Brigade.
"Elite Kit": Gen-IV 90's & '00's-era latest whizbang tanks +4 cost per Brigade.


===================================


AVIATION BRIGADE:
Aviation, Light Helicopter (light-armed scout helos, limited lift capacity): 2 points
Aviation, Attack Helicopter (combat gunships & scouts, limited lift capacity): 3 points
Aviation, Heliborne Assault (air cavalry-- scouts, gunships, troop-landing helos): 4 points
Aviation, Tactical Strike (fighter planes for close-air support, no real lift capacity): 5 points
Aviation, Tactical Transport (transport planes like C-130s for troop-landing): 5 points




TRAINING MODIFIERS:
Disorganized Barnstormers: 0 points.
Conscript Training (most basic training): +1 to cost per Brigade.
Professional Service (basic plus professionalism, initiative): +2 to cost per Brigade
Legacy/Guards Brigade (exceptionally high standards, history to live up to): +3 to cost per Brigade

Elite/Special Forces Aviation (for Rangers/SF): +5 to cost of Brigade; limited to 2 such BrigadeS per country level.



EQUIPMENT MODIFIERS:
"Disorganized Barnstormers": Bring your own Refit WW2 and 1950's-era propellor plane: +0 cost to Brigade.
"Third World": Early jet age/1950's & 60's era. +1 cost to Brigade.
"Conscript": Cold War era 1970's & 1980's type aircraft: +2 to Brigade.
"Professional": High-performance 1990's ear aircraft: +3 cost to Brigade.
"Elite Kit": Latest generation/Space-age/edge-of-atmosphere stuff: +4 cost per Brigade.

Two things:
1.I'm going to add this to the "Build your nation" thread, that fine?
2. This is using the points laid out by Beowulf's system, correct?

I think that's supposed to replace the army section of my system.