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For all the folks eagerly thinking that getting Canissian THEl equipment will somehow really get them in the game just remember that the MESS as a whole isn't going to hand out military tech until a half generation or so after we've figured out how to beat our own systems

CmdrWilkens wrote:For all the folks eagerly thinking that getting Canissian THEl equipment will somehow really get them in the game just remember that the MESS as a whole isn't going to hand out military tech until a half generation or so after we've figured out how to beat our own systems

Well, a hearty "fuck you" to them, then.

Alright, FTO. Let's get cracking on this SHEL stuff...

Ryan Thunder wrote:Alright, FTO. Let's get cracking on this SHEL stuff...

I'll pass on the Laser Race, I still have a sonic death ray to fund.

Speaking of races, did Siege basically kill the F1 season?

Some of the cars got destroyed, but none of the racers, and as I understand it F1 teams are supposed to have backup cars just in case something like this happened. So a few racers may have stiff necks and such but the season should go on more or less unhindered.

Come on mangs let's continue the super-meeting at Shroomania! BEFORE LELOUCH ARRIVES!

We must decide on a name! (Well, I agreed on a name Stas suggested. So reply to the PM!)

Why cryogenic cooling?

phongn wrote:Why cryogenic cooling?

Didn't Skimmer attempt something similar? With.. some noble gas I believe? I think it was an IRST if I am not wrong.

I was under the assumption that most IR detectors would perform better with the sensor cooled to improve signal to noise ratio. Some photon detectors if I am not wrong operate similarly.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Didn't Skimmer attempt something similar? With.. some noble gas I believe? I think it was an IRST if I am not wrong.

That's an IRST and it was a compressed argon loop. I'm not sure if it was actually cryogenic.

I was under the assumption that most IR detectors would perform better with the sensor cooled to improve signal to noise ratio. Some photon detectors if I am not wrong operate similarly.

Yes, they do. Why are you putting a cyrogenically cooled system on a small missile?

phongn wrote:

I was under the assumption that most IR detectors would perform better with the sensor cooled to improve signal to noise ratio. Some photon detectors if I am not wrong operate similarly.

Yes, they do. Why are you putting a cyrogenically cooled system on a small missile?

Well, this company claims to have put together a kit for military use. http://www.ir-nova.se/

Otherwise, I'll just have to source for another method used for cooling. Maybe some TEC. Or source for a more sensitive sensor that doesn't require as much cooling etc.

For the record Siege, even Singapore has 6 diesel submarines. It is smaller than San Dorado, with economy about 200 billion thereabouts. So no, 16 isn't too many considering how much ocean there is...

phongn wrote:

I was under the assumption that most IR detectors would perform better with the sensor cooled to improve signal to noise ratio. Some photon detectors if I am not wrong operate similarly.

Yes, they do. Why are you putting a cyrogenically cooled system on a small missile?

Didn't the AIM-9 use to use a liquid nitrogen system to cool the seeker before launch?

Beowulf wrote:Didn't the AIM-9 use to use a liquid nitrogen system to cool the seeker before launch?

Did some digging and yeah: http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/rt ... ler_52.pdf

Urk, I forgot about that. Sorry about this.

Well, if I'm going to do this coast guard thing I might as well do it properly- so who's selling mid-shore and in-shore patrol vessels again? Fast attack craft are preferred, and they don't have to have SAM launchers aboard: think coast guard work. The worst they'll be fighting is pirates with RPGs.

I'm looking principally for a mixture of short-range fast sprinters and longer-range vessels with better endurance, since it would seem a mixture like that guarantees the best coverage (and this agency would patrol pretty much the entirety of North Frequesue).

SiegeTank wrote:Well, if I'm going to do this coast guard thing I might as well do it properly- so who's selling mid-shore and in-shore patrol vessels again? Fast attack craft are preferred, and they don't have to have SAM launchers aboard: think coast guard work. The worst they'll be fighting is pirates with RPGs.

I'm looking principally for a mixture of short-range fast sprinters and longer-range vessels with better endurance, since it would seem a mixture like that guarantees the best coverage (and this agency would patrol pretty much the entirety of North Frequesue).

I was selling, but I have a feeling your friends in the FTO would demand you "Buy Frequesue!"

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:I was selling, but I have a feeling your friends in the FTO would demand you "Buy Frequesue!"

That's kind of why I'm asking. Although my preference would go to buying Frequesuan I thought I should at least see what the rest of the world is selling. Your ships may just be better suited for the task at hand.

I know that a while back both Karmic Knight and Shinn Langley Soryu advertised some of the types of ships that I'd be interested in, but there were some really odd price differences between the aforementioned ships- Karmic sold a Gepard for 300 million, whereas Shinn sold it for 60. Now I'm all for buying local, but one ship for the price of five is pushing it .

SiegeTank wrote:

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:I was selling, but I have a feeling your friends in the FTO would demand you "Buy Frequesue!"

That's kind of why I'm asking. I know that a while back both Karmic Knight and Shinn Langley Soryu advertised some of the types of ships that I'd be interested in buying, and although my preference would go to buying Frequesuan I thought I should at least see what the rest of the world is selling. Your ships may just be better suited for the task at hand.

(Also, there were some really odd price differences between the aforementioned ships- Karmic sold a Gepard for 300 million, whereas Shinn sold it for 60. Now I'm all for buying local, but one ship for the price of five is pushing it .)

Here you go: http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... s#p2974719

But yeah.. I am however open to licensing the design to people.

Yikes, haven't you got something smaller? A Gowind for the kind of low-intensity patrols I intend to be running sounds like royal overkill to me.

SiegeTank wrote:Yikes, haven't you got something smaller? A Gowind for the kind of low-intensity patrols I intend to be running sounds like royal overkill to me.

I threw in a 600tonne ship with comparable specs to a Visby for good measure actually with speed up to 50 knots. So essentially there are 5 ships, from 600tonnes to 2500tonnes. The ships are designed to be modular from the start. So just pluck and chuck what you want into it, even locally designed weapons. So essentially, we license the hull design and engines etc. leave it to you to figure out the rest.

So CATO is the SNC, but with more Shroom? Hm.

Ah well. So long as you don't leave the naming of things up to him I suppose it works out for all of you.

Wilkonia produces a whole range:

Large:

Álvaro de Bazán class Guided Missile Frigate (F100)
6250 tons full displacement
5,000nm range
1x Mk45 5" Gun
48x Mk41 VLS
Space for 1 Helo
$540mil w/o armaments

Victory class STAR Frigates
5,800 tons full displacement
5200nm range
1x AGS 5" Gun
40x Mk52 VLS (compatable with SM-1 thur -4 families, TLAM and related families)
Space for 1 Helo
$580mil w/o armaments

Legend class Deepwater Cutters
4,300 tons full displacement
12,000nm range
1x twin 57mm Bofors
Space for 2 Helos and 2 UAVs
$280mil


Medium:

Wisdom class Cutters (upgarded Famous class)
2,000 tons full displacement
10,000nm range
1x 75mm/62 caliber gun
Space for 1 Helo
$175mil

Reliance class Cutter
1,200 tons full displacement
8,000nm range
1x 25mm Bofors
Space for 1 Helo
$115mil


Small:

Cyclone class Patrol Ship
350 tons full displacement
2000nm
2x 25mm Bofors
$85mil

Fast class Patrol Ship
150tons full displacement
1,800nm
1x 25mm Bofors
$50mil

Well, just because I like having slaver scum get killed off...there's a certain somebody who's now looking for them

EDIT: Fin, it's Union of Shadow Socialist Republics now

There's a Brad Pitt reporting for Worldwide One? That's brilliant!

I always thought they'd be more subtle in their bias though, but then again this is a human interest story so they're probably laying it on thick on purpose .