SDNWorld Redux: Story Thread the Fourth
Posted: 2009-04-21 03:28pm
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"One could look at this with many conotations but I will accept this at face value. In any case, yes, I would accept in part of the inevitability of this. However, I would imagine that there would be issues with the MESS equipment I am using to some extent. Do I.. return them?"RogueIce wrote:"Observer status means almost the same thing as regular membership, just without the mutual defense thing. Which, considering what I've heard of your recent equipment purchases, makes sense as you're apparently aligning more with CATO technology in that regard. Essentially, it's a cosmetic change as, practically speaking, your nation tends to act more as an Observer anyway when it comes to the MESS. Of course, saying you're an Observer makes people think you're less of a MESS state, when in practice little will change from the current state of affairs."
Rufus shrugged. He had been considering how to say this next part, but then decided he might as well just say it straight. "It helps if we don't appear too closely aligned, MESS and CATO. I understand the point of the conference and while I'd like good cooperation, publically at least it might be bad if we appeared as too close of friends. If MESS and CATO look too close, fears arise over a 'one world government' and such nonsense. And then there's Japanistan. I know what you'll say, they can be crushed and so on and so forth. But they'd do a lot of damage first. And right now they're relatively quiet. I'd rather not get them even more paranoid than normal, and have repeats of that whole Velarian mess. Or whatever else they might try to do. Do you see my point? It's well and good for MESS and CATO to not distrust each other and even work together. But I feel we should avoid appearing to be too close, if you get my meaning."
Duquesne sighed softly. The secretary's words didn't come as a surprise, after the recent ruckus in Klavostan it was patently obvious that Indhopal was trying to expand its sphere of influence - or 'secure its borders', but whichever way you wanted to put it the result was the same. Still, at least Christophe's opening move had been somewhat considerate. Charlie Duquesne, who'd spent years as San Dorado's first-ever ambassador to the CSR, knew all too well that meant there was room for negotiations. Valery Zorin would have been far more blunt she thought and suppressed a smile. Despite herself she kind of missed the sly old wolf, deliberately infuriating as though he could be.Raj Ahten wrote: Christophe began,
"It's good to see you again Commissioner Duquesne. Reminds me of the old days in the FTO. However with the FTO now a corpse, Indhopal is, as you know, reviewing our national security priorities. Border security is now considered to be of utmost importance. The Eastern Occidental may be queit now, but we are both aware of its troubled past and the possibility of future problems. In order to safeguard its borders Indhoopal would like to take control of security arrangements in the Southeast portion of the zone, in the area roughly corresponding to the holdings of the O'Connor clan. We are willing to shoulder all the costs associated with the transition."
Rufus shrugged. "As I said, there was definately some politics involved in this as well. Your bowing out of the One Week War, as I'm sure you're aware, almost certainly played a part.Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:"One could look at this with many conotations but I will accept this at face value. In any case, yes, I would accept in part of the inevitability of this. However, I would imagine that there would be issues with the MESS equipment I am using to some extent. Do I.. return them?"
Rufus wasn't sure what that was supposed to mean. He really didn't look like the Duke of Langley. But he pushed that aside and went on.Shroom-vision wrote:LIVE on ShroomSat/StratTV
The Sovereign Shroomanian Sentinel
STUNNING SHINRA SHINDIG
In Super Extra Unreal Time
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Midgar, Shinra Republic
The band leader gave a salute with a ridiculously huge sword, and they began playing the Shroomanian anthem. An awful lot of the musicians were suspiciously pale-skinned. And suspiciously girlish-looking, though as a Shroomanian the Prime Minister understood why President Rufus would like those traits.
And there, at long last in all his ravishing regalia, was president Rufus Shinra himself.
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“You look a bit like Langley, mang” Shroom said.
Although to Rufus, they weren't big bikes. Pretty standard police motorcycles, of the top one would have expected to see on Old Earth. But then, he came from the Phillipines, didn't he? Did they have large motorcycles like that? He couldn't remember, aside from some vague images of some movie he might've seen. It had been about fifty years since he'd last seen Old Earth, after all. Well, let's just get on with it. I knew he was a little weird, anyway.Shroom-vision wrote:"At long last, welcome to the Shinra Republic!" President Rufus welcomed the Prime Minister of Shroomania as warmly as he possibly could. "I'm glad you could finally make it."
"Me too, I'm glad to be finally here also," Shroom replied. "Things have been really hectic lately. I hope there's still enough time for us to catch the Cascadian Conference and... uhh... are Emperor Heraclius and Premier Shady coming here too, or did I just miss them?"
"I'm not entirely sure myself," President Rufus scratched his head at that. "But enough about that. Come, Prime Minister, let me show you the rest of Midgar."
With that, they departed in President Rufus' fancy limousine and the Shinran Turks shouldered their oversized swords and hopped aboard oversized motorbikes to form a motorcade.
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"Well, Prime Minister, what do you think?"
"You Shinra guys sure build big bikes. Look at the size of those things, and you can hear their V8 engines from inside the car! Mang!" Shroom proclaimed as he ogled the mean Midgar-made motorcycle machines flanking their Presidential ride.
"That's quite true," President Rufus chuckled - realizing the stark contrast between the visitation of this CATO leader and the last pair who came over, namely Emperor Heraclius and Premier Shady who were all too keen on getting into serious business immediately.
I knew Stephen wouldn't let him get away with one of his goofy acronyms. Relieved, President Shinra was about to reply...Shroom-vision wrote:"So, Prime Minister, aside from our choppers what brings you over to my little corner of Messica?"
"The need to talk, to open up a loose dialogue between the MESS and the CATO and prevent things from going out of control. A Détente, if you will." Prime Minister Shroom replied coolly. "There have been some misunderstandings lately, like the whole affair in Frequesue, and really we can do a whole of good by defusing the situation.
"Both CATO and the MESS are not ideologically opposed to each other, both groups' nations have fairly amicable relations with one another, and really there's no good reason why today's state of affairs are so tense - with everyone in the public forum, mass media, in private and the OOB Thread flinging mud at each other. There really isn't.
"I guess if both sides relaxed, eased up on some issues, and opened up a dialogue, a Détente, as we're gonna try and do over at Cascadia soon, we can probably normalize the world's state of affairs and everything will be good again. There's no reason for any animosity between the MESS and CATO. If anything, we should be working together. I talked with President Stephen and we both came up with an idea for a Global Organization of Peace, Health and Equal Restitution. GOPHER -"
The corner of President Rufus' eye twitched.
" - which we agreed to rename into the World Health Organization, WHO. Maybe it can be one of the avenues through which we can turn over a new leaf, or however that idiom went," Shroom smiled.
"It did indeed. And it certainly didn't help the PR problem of both sides. After all, you were supposed to visit here to calm relations, but canceled twice when CATO was inducting new members. In the middle of all the expansionist accusations flying on both sides. But what's done is done. All we can do now is try to make things better."Shroom-vision wrote:President Rufus was about to reply -
"But there's one more thing," Shroom said, pre-empting the President.
"Yes?" Rufus raised an eyebrow.
"I would like to, uh, apologize. For my rudeness in delaying and detouring my visit to Messica and Shinra twice. It was incredibly short-sighted of me, not to mention rather inconsiderate. With how things between CATO and the MESS have ended up, I guess my callousness in leaving you guys high and dry might not have been the wisest course of action and might've not really helped things out. Not to mention, it probably inconvenienced your staff people a lot."
"It's quite likely that when this announcement is made, they will a good deal of furore within the military ranks, and most of them will likely advocate doing lobotomies of a lot of equipment.RogueIce wrote:Rufus shrugged. "As I said, there was definately some politics involved in this as well. Your bowing out of the One Week War, as I'm sure you're aware, almost certainly played a part.Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:"One could look at this with many conotations but I will accept this at face value. In any case, yes, I would accept in part of the inevitability of this. However, I would imagine that there would be issues with the MESS equipment I am using to some extent. Do I.. return them?"
"As to equipment issues, that's up to our military officers, isn't it? Though if the reports I've seen are true, you're mostly transitioning to CATO equipment anyway."
((OOC: Basically, I'll leave that question up to Wilkens, Beo, et al. The military equipment of the MESS is not my area of expertise. ))
"That is their choice. We would like the items back, then, if you're taking them out anyway."Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:"It's quite likely that when this announcement is made, they will a good deal of furore within the military ranks, and most of them will likely advocate doing lobotomies of a lot of equipment."
"Not that long ago, really. As for why you had to come out here?" At this, Rufus gave him a slightly hard look. "Your government requested the visit. We did not summon you or anything of the like. So, since it was planned anyway, I decided this was as good a time as any to let you know."Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:"Tell me Rufus, when was this 'consensus' achieved? Why must I come all the way here to learn of this 'consensus'? What is the point of Ambassadors and diplomats, if I have to come all the way here and why were there no prior consultations with me on this matter? Is it just me, or was I cut out of the loop some months ago? And Why?" If the Emperor had ever showed any irritation before, he was showing it, and restraining a good part of his anger.
You take it back for all I care so long as I get refunded the cost.RogueIce wrote:"That is their choice. We would like the items back, then, if you're taking them out anyway."
Rolling his eyes, the Emperor Heraclius was close to exploding. "I see, apparently, none of you deigned to at least give me prior notice that negotiations were being done, and that I have to learn of it myself here that back door dealing was done and completed."RogueIce wrote:"Not that long ago, really. As for why you had to come out here?" At this, Rufus gave him a slightly hard look. "Your government requested the visit. We did not summon you or anything of the like. So, since it was planned anyway, I decided this was as good a time as any to let you know."
Our policy has been simple. What happens within CATO stays there, and what happens in the MESS stays there. If you have a problem with that policy, then I'm sorry, Byzantium spent most of its time walking the fine thread for so long that we kept everyone happy that way. Just as we tried to walk the fine line with Japanistan and avoided doing too much to antagonize them. So apparently this is a tit for tat. Oh fine. That further diminishes the value of even staying in the MESS, and also indicate that I am no longer welcome.Rufus shrugged before continuing. "As for cutting you out of the loop? We've felt like that for some time. A lot of this business with CATO might have been dampened somewhat if we'd had some heads up. Heads up you never gave us, which left us playing catch-up. Now, maybe you didn't have much notice yourself over these membership deals, but if not that makes it very curious how the CATO membership process works. Definately something to discuss at this summit if that were the case, don't you think? So we've felt plenty cut out of the loop ourselves. Besides, we can all see your recent acquisitions process, that you're stocking up on CATO-specced equipment. So we didn't think it would come as much of a surprise. From our view, you've been drifting out of the alliance for some time as it is."
"I think an observership is a worthless pretense and sham, and the manner in which this was discussed and presented to me a slap in the face. It is clear to me now, that you no longer trust me enough to include me in many deliberations. So be it. Byzantium will from this day forth be not of the MESS. And if you don't mind me, I have arrangements to make and I'm leaving. Good day. And oh, your troops in Jerusalem had best leave within six months. That will certainly lower tensions with Japanistan."Rufus leaned back in his chair and took a sip of water from his cup. "But if it'll make you feel better, we can hold off on the public announcement. I'll even wait until after this conference is settled. That way you have plenty of time to discuss matters with your staff. And thanks to the summit, you can let your allies know about it as well before we go public. So this can be your heads up. But you had to know the double alliance membership couldn't last forever, and sooner or later this would happen. I believe the media have even termed it the 'Byzantine Question' on occasion.
"Besides, it's not like we're kicking you to the curb. We're essentially taking you out of the 'defense' part of the equation. Which, again given your recent acquisitions, makes a certain amount of sense on its own. Many of the other standing agreements between us will still apply."