Something big

[Weedle McHairybug]

A new commission:

Nice commission. I believe this is the first non-rendering artwork you've done since... what? The Admiral's Arrival several years back (not counting the commissions you made for Essential Guide to Warfare, of course...)?

[Iroscato]

A new commission:

Dear God, it's beautiful...grand job there mate!

[Abacus]

A new commission:

Is that a modified Bellator-class I see? Looking a lot like the new fleet carrier you were working on, with the frontal fork.

[LastShadow]

This is the most glorious thread i have ever seen. The ships are gorgeous, and i mean awe inspiring gorgeous. The Bellator is cool, the Wrath is, like the definition of OP, and that makes it even more awesome. Imagine if Thrawn had a couple of those bad boys in his fleet.

Seeing color come in to your later models was great. I look forward to following this thread and seeing many more ship designs over the next however long it takes you to have the time and will to do them.

I hope you make a Katana fleet style Dreadnaught at some point, (i know it looks phallic, but its still pretty kick ass).

But seriously the work you have done is crazy, and makes me wish i had even 1/4 of the skill you have (i have basically 0) cause i have so much time i could do these all night long.

[FTeik]

Regarding the Crusader-class corvette, maybe you could give it the same hull-color as your Keldabe-dreadnought to underline its design-lineage as a Mandalorian ship. I don't know why, but the current white hull looks wrong to me.

Those ships above Coruscant better watch out, that they don't crash into each other. I know it is a requirement/limitation of the medium (TV/big screen), but I'm not very fond of the depiction of starships being in spitting distance to each other.

[Abacus]

Those ships above Coruscant better watch out, that they don't crash into each other. I know it is a requirement/limitation of the medium (TV/big screen), but I'm not very fond of the depiction of starships being in spitting distance to each other.

They're on parade...just think of it like that, since usually such a formation would be for momentous occasions. Like, maybe it's Empire Day?

[Weedle McHairybug]

So based on your commission, fractal, does that mean the carrier's fully completed (other than possibly giving it a class name)? Also, I noticed there's some stations in there as well.

Overall, as I said, pretty good artwork.

@FTeik: Yeah, especially considering what happened at Hoth when three Star Destroyers nearly got into a pileup in Empire Strikes Back.

[fractalsponge1]

Carrier is indeed done. I'm calling it Impellor-class:

[Elheru Aran]

Those ships above Coruscant better watch out, that they don't crash into each other. I know it is a requirement/limitation of the medium (TV/big screen), but I'm not very fond of the depiction of starships being in spitting distance to each other.

They're on parade...just think of it like that, since usually such a formation would be for momentous occasions. Like, maybe it's Empire Day?

Close-up formation flight isn't that unusual in show-off occasions like that. I imagine it's being very closely regulated and auto-piloted.

Bit of a waste though, considering that they're mostly outside the atmosphere from what I'm seeing, which means that people on the surface would only see wee dots in the sky at the most... Of course there's probably a holo newscast covering the occasion for planetside. Or maybe it's just for Palpatine and whatever Imperial dignitaries he has along for the ride.

[Raesene]

The carrier is a nice ship - looking forward to you finishing its cruiser half-sister.
The rough outline you posted two or three pages ago looks interesting.

Are the carrier`s bays all interconnected ? The back regions of the forward facing ones might interfere with the ventral one.

[Lord Revan]

Those ships above Coruscant better watch out, that they don't crash into each other. I know it is a requirement/limitation of the medium (TV/big screen), but I'm not very fond of the depiction of starships being in spitting distance to each other.

They're on parade...just think of it like that, since usually such a formation would be for momentous occasions. Like, maybe it's Empire Day?

Close-up formation flight isn't that unusual in show-off occasions like that. I imagine it's being very closely regulated and auto-piloted.

Bit of a waste though, considering that they're mostly outside the atmosphere from what I'm seeing, which means that people on the surface would only see wee dots in the sky at the most... Of course there's probably a holo newscast covering the occasion for planetside. Or maybe it's just for Palpatine and whatever Imperial dignitaries he has along for the ride.

it could also be that we're seeing the tail end of the parade and they started in atmo but during the parade flew into orbit

[Elheru Aran]

it could also be that we're seeing the tail end of the parade and they started in atmo but during the parade flew into orbit

With a whole Executor? Two SSD's actually? I am dubious. Granted we see Venators and Acclamators in atmosphere and landing, so theoretically it might be doable. I'm not sure though but I kinda think that might be close to the maximum size... no canon to say otherwise far as I know though.

Obviously if we go by Jakku, any ship can make a trip into atmosphere. One way.

[Lord Revan]

it could also be that we're seeing the tail end of the parade and they started in atmo but during the parade flew into orbit

With a whole Executor? Two SSD's actually? I am dubious. Granted we see Venators and Acclamators in atmosphere and landing, so theoretically it might be doable. I'm not sure though but I kinda think that might be close to the maximum size... no canon to say otherwise far as I know though.

Obviously if we go by Jakku, any ship can make a trip into atmosphere. One way.

Do I look like an imperial parade organizer to you .

Seriously though I suspect that if Palpatine says "I want an Executor to fly over me in the parade" you make it work after just because they can't land doesn't mean SSDs have no in atmo capability.

[Elheru Aran]

I suppose you could make it impressive. Do a full-power high-atmosphere entry, make like a comet.

The more pragmatic answer is he's probably on one of those ships showing the Senate what their budget is paying for...

[fractalsponge1]

Atmo performance...don't get me started on that EU brainbug. I think as long as the ship is pointed vaguely upwards, the only limit of atmo performance is what state you want to leave the planet in. Put another way, dump a couple billion petawatts worth of ion flare into the atmosphere or not? The practical limit is probably how good the repulsorlift is on the ship for roughly ecologically neutral maneuvering - that I can see some ships being specialized for. Anything can do the "fuck it" method.

As for the review, I think these sorts of things are not really for the regular public, to be honest. Holomedia will take care of that. Only VIPs get a shuttle tour of the lines and lines of warships to drive home the whole iron first under the velvet glove deal.

[Abacus]

Almost finished. Looking excellent.

[fractalsponge1]

[Weedle McHairybug]

Nice work on the Crusader-class. That being said, one of your image links has an error. The Crusader10 image pops up as Crusader11 when clicked. Just so you're aware.

And nice work on finishing the Impellor-class Fleet Carrier, as well. The additions to the Stormtrooper Transport are also looking pretty nifty as well.

[InsaneTD]

it could also be that we're seeing the tail end of the parade and they started in atmo but during the parade flew into orbit

With a whole Executor? Two SSD's actually? I am dubious. Granted we see Venators and Acclamators in atmosphere and landing, so theoretically it might be doable. I'm not sure though but I kinda think that might be close to the maximum size... no canon to say otherwise far as I know though.

Obviously if we go by Jakku, any ship can make a trip into atmosphere. One way.

One of the visual dictionaries lists the Venators and Acclamatirs as the largest ships capable of landing. Don't know how cannon those are. I'd say there is a point where repulsors and reactor power just can't overcome the gravity and mass.

[Venator]

it could also be that we're seeing the tail end of the parade and they started in atmo but during the parade flew into orbit

With a whole Executor? Two SSD's actually? I am dubious. Granted we see Venators and Acclamators in atmosphere and landing, so theoretically it might be doable. I'm not sure though but I kinda think that might be close to the maximum size... no canon to say otherwise far as I know though.

Obviously if we go by Jakku, any ship can make a trip into atmosphere. One way.

One of the visual dictionaries lists the Venators and Acclamatirs as the largest ships capable of landing. Don't know how cannon those are. I'd say there is a point where repulsors and reactor power just can't overcome the gravity and mass.

I don't think you'd have any difficulty with repulsor power or reactor capacity; we know that SW drive efficiency is simply "yes" and power density is generally "lol".

The biggest variable, IMO, is at what point fitting repulsors becomes too much of an expense or design compromise to be worthwhile. It's not like you need them for survivability - even a half-assed Separatist take on a cruiser can land it's crew safely while blown in half.

[Lord Revan]

I suspect it might also be a matter of "where can you find fields big enough to land that thing!" I mean the Executor is what 17 km or so long so it's probably not easy find places flat peices of terrain big enough to land it.

That I high dout that an Executor is gonna drop like a brick if it enters atmosphere more likely is that it just has to "float" there because it's too big to actually land.

[Weedle McHairybug]

BTW, Fractal? Just wondering, are you actually done with the Preying Mantis? It still seems to be in the WIP stages last I checked.

[Elheru Aran]

The biggest variable, IMO, is at what point fitting repulsors becomes too much of an expense or design compromise to be worthwhile. It's not like you need them for survivability - even a half-assed Separatist take on a cruiser can land it's crew safely while blown in half.

...if you're talking about the Invisible Hand, I would *not* call that a 'safe' landing. If you're referring to something else in Clone Wars, refresh my memory?

[fractalsponge1]

The biggest variable, IMO, is at what point fitting repulsors becomes too much of an expense or design compromise to be worthwhile. It's not like you need them for survivability - even a half-assed Separatist take on a cruiser can land it's crew safely while blown in half.

...if you're talking about the Invisible Hand, I would *not* call that a 'safe' landing. If you're referring to something else in Clone Wars, refresh my memory?

Well, it started in upper atmosphere, broke up, and when the main piece landed it was intact (apart from the breaking up under heavy turbolaser fire). I think Venator might be talking about starships casually surviving contact with a planet, repulsorlift or not. A look at Jakku certainly suggests that capital ships can do uncontrolled impact into a planet and remain fundamentally structurally intact.

A Venator does 3000g. If it wanted to, it's hard to imagine that it couldn't maintain main engine thrust to manage...single digit g. The planet behind it will take heavy turbolaser level firepower though if it lit off main engines in atmosphere. My personal betting is that non-ecological annihilation limitation on atmospheric performance of large starships is manueverability, rather than power generation. Repulsorlift generators might be relatively small in comparison to hull volume (ICS) at least for a small ship like an Accalamtor, but repulsorlift *is* a completely separate propulsion system. It might well not be worth it as ships exponentially scale in mass to fit one that enables reasonably precise manueverability in atmosphere. You wouldn't want an ISD sized object to be unpredictable in its motion in atmosphere, regardless of the fact that it can keep itself aloft indefinitely. Just a guess though.

[Elheru Aran]

The Invisible Hand landing was basically a controlled crash, piloted by a Jedi noted for expert piloting to start with. I definitely wouldn't consider it an example of 'safe' landing as the potential for crew injury and death would have been pretty high. Palpatine, Obi-Wan, Anakin and Artoo didn't get buffetted too terribly from what I recall; thrown about a bit perhaps, but no serious injuries from what I remember (it's been a few years since I watched ROTS). Perhaps Artoo turned up the inertial compensation on the bridge?

That said, I can accept the evidence for Star Wars materials science being advanced enough that ships can basically crash onto a planet and remain intact. What may happen to the crew within is another story.