Something big

[Torben]

Damn. People certainly won't think this beast is defenseless to the rear. I make it, what, 18 quad turrets, 8 twins, and two quad balls? That's almost the equivalent of a Destroyer Squadron right there.

[fractalsponge1]

Not done yet exactly, but probably won't be much more than what's shown. Really the point of the aft facing guns is to discourage rather than to kill, given as the ship probably won't have the luxury of keeping all its attackers in optimum firing arc.

And, since it was requested:


The biggest nozzle (shown), is about 318m in diameter.

[Thanas]

Looks as if the main defence mechanism backwards will be the engine wash, then.

What a monster.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Those are some truly gigantic engine bells. Also, what is that triple-turret ship in the comparison pic? I can't say I've seen that one before.

Damn. People certainly won't think this beast is defenseless to the rear. I make it, what, 18 quad turrets, 8 twins, and two quad balls? That's almost the equivalent of a Destroyer Squadron right there.

I'd say it's quite capable of killing multiple targets up to ISD size with those rear guns. You also realize that if you see those massive fields of gun turrets on her flanks, they most likely can see and target you with the same ease. I personally wouldn't want to fight one of these things with anything less than a Sovereign, preferably something far larger.

I wonder what this monster can do to a planet, as well.

[Thanas]

^It is the Procursator class SD.

Read about it starting from here.

[fractalsponge1]

Those are some truly gigantic engine bells. Also, what is that triple-turret ship in the comparison pic? I can't say I've seen that one before.

Damn. People certainly won't think this beast is defenseless to the rear. I make it, what, 18 quad turrets, 8 twins, and two quad balls? That's almost the equivalent of a Destroyer Squadron right there.

I'd say it's quite capable of killing multiple targets up to ISD size with those rear guns. You also realize that if you see those massive fields of gun turrets on her flanks, they most likely can see and target you with the same ease. I personally wouldn't want to fight one of these things with anything less than a Sovereign, preferably something far larger.

I wonder what this monster can do to a planet, as well.

You could pick the Procursator out as a triple turret ship in that shot alone? Damn, good eyes .

Destroyer-scale vessels should not be tangling with something this size, unless it's in overwhelming numbers. If this dreadnought had the same shield dissipation abilities as an Acclamator transport, it'd be waving away ~2e27W per second, and I imagine as a unit of the line, and a damn heavy unit of the line at that, its shields would be able to dissipate a fair bit more than 33% of peak reactor power.

Matchup with a Sovereign, hm, depends on the actual yield of the Sovereign's superlaser (and a whole lot else, actually, since we know nothing about the design). Otherwise, this ship would probably take it, just by the weight of standard weapons carried.

As for a planet, continuous alpha approaches 1 exaton, per second. Without shields, I imagine that falls well into apocalypse territory

[Thanas]

I can see it now:

Imperial briefing
Moff from budget committee: "Admiral, please explain the capabilites of this ship against a planet"
Admiral: RAR. PLANET SMASH. *rips uniform*

[Raesene]

I can see it now:

Imperial briefing
Moff from budget committee: "Admiral, please explain the capabilites of this ship against a planet"
Admiral: RAR. PLANET SMASH. *rips uniform*

Alderaan's shield holding up for a second or so against the Death Star makes more sense if it has to withstand sustained bombardment by a few monsters like that for some time as design requirement.
I'm looking forward to the ventral side, I hope it's equally fitted with guns.

[Questor]

Alderaan's shield holding up for a second or so against the Death Star makes more sense if it has to withstand sustained bombardment by a few monsters like that for some time as design requirement.
I'm looking forward to the ventral side, I hope it's equally fitted with guns.

Actually, the reverse of that is also an excellent argument for the existence of classes like this. Having a shield that powerful implies that they were afraid of something powerful enough to need it.

[Ketan]

this ships are the best i ever seen in the internet

great work...really

what class name has the carrier?and what is the status?when will it be finished?

i wish you could make a picture where we could see a imperial fleet at a BDZ

[Force Lord]

this ships are the best i ever seen in the internet

great work...really

what class name has the carrier?and what is the status?when will it be finished?

i wish you could make a picture where we could see a imperial fleet at a BDZ

Check Fractalsponge's site. He has a BDZ picture and a carrier design in the making.

[fractalsponge1]

So, since Dawn of War 2 is crimping my modeling time, I'm starting to think of what's next after the dreadnought. There are obviously tons of mods of my existing designs to do, like an anti-fighter picket corvette and finishing that damn carrier, but I'm making a list of potential completely new stuff; what should be next? I'm leaning towards a lambda at the moment.

anon destroyer 3
catamaran mini-superlaser carrier
fast cruiser/destroyer EW/grav well support ship
fleet auxiliary variant
modular shipyard/deepdock section
frigate (Fulgor/Rand Ecliptic)

lambda shuttle (a proper high detail one)
assault transport/assault shuttle
dropship (Titan)
TIE scimitar

Some things to mull over as I work slowly on the dreadnought and play dow2 .

[Thanas]

I would love to see a new frigate or a fast cruiser variant. Maybe the next step below the Procursator?

(Plus, it would great into my STGOD faction, but that should not impact your decision in any way).


Seriously, though, do whatever you want to do most. That is IMO the best way to stimulate the artistic juices.

[Raesene]

My vote goes to the shipyard/deepdock, followed by the EW ship.

[Crossroads Inc.]

MY vote is for modular shipyard/deepdock section I'd love to see some sort of shipyard.
After that, will you KNOW im a fan of Dreadnaughts

[Vehrec]

Modular deepdock-with emphasis on not just stringing these things together, but stacking them or unfolding them to create the really big ones. Follow that with the High-poly Lambda, to ferry dignitaries to and from the deepdock, and finish it off with a battle-damaged Bellator that can go inside the deepdock assembly.

[Azron_Stoma]

I would love to see a high poly XQ platform, either an XQ-2 or XQ-6 or High Poly Cargo containers and freighters.

as well with perhaps a trio of 200m variant Tartan patrol cruisers landed at the platform.

never liked the idea of the Tartan being supposedly twice the length of a Nebulon B... I was always under the impression that it's supposed to be a halfway point between a customs corvette and a lancer and making it 600m defeats the entire conceptual purpose of the ship.

that of an Imperial answer to the CR-90 in games that want to have each faction use different ships (even though Nebulon Bs and CR-90s are as Imperial if not more so than Rebel).

btw, what is the firepower yield on the Customs Corvette?

[Ketan]

ok my list is

1.fast cruiser/destroyer EW/grav well support ship
2.fleet auxiliary variant
3.modular shipyard/deepdock section
4.frigate (Fulgor/Rand Ecliptic)

sorry what is a anon destroyer 3 or catamaran mini-superlaser carrier?

[evillejedi]

I'd say go with the deep dock, it has lots of opportunities and would be especially useful as a background object for other renders, and I love what you did with the fleet tender.
The biggest question I've had about 'modular' is that is it 'lego blocks' or do the actual sections adjust for larger vessels. I remember the Imperial source book saying that smaller bays could be added, but essentially a fully capable deep dock would need to be able to handle vessels from ISD size to executor size and fully service them. I imagine some gigantic gantry structure (something like this http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3073/288 ... 5dcb_o.jpg)
barring that I'd like to see how anon destroyer 3 comes out.

the tartan has also been a pet peeve of mine, the concept art from petroglyph showed both it and the broadside as being much smaller ships. I believe that the 600m figure came from the fact that in Empire At war the scales were nonlinear, smaller ships were made larger to make them easier to see, therefore corvettes were 300-400 m long fighters were 50 m etc, so when the databank put that nonsense up I think they just compared in game screenshots.

personally the retcon of the demolisher, broadside as gladiator works for me, too bad the tartan will be another one shot never mentioned again vessel.

[Azron_Stoma]

well, I hope to use the Tartan, your model actually for the Warlords mod in Outer Heaven, my SWG mod (if the SWGEMU ever gets done...) as the first capital ship an Imperial Guild can get, with about 10 guns (4 of which can be Light Turbolasers, the other 6 regular weapons)

but yeah, the suggestions I made in my previous post are more "down the line" type things, I would like to see a deep dock in the near future.

and what's this about Dawn of War 2 work?

[fractalsponge1]

Oh there's no work involved with Dawn of War 2 - I'm just playing through it and that's taking an axe to the time I have for modeling . Good thing the dreadnought is largely done.

The deepdock I think is going to be lego block modular; I believe the fluff has different numbers of sections being arranged to handle larger ships. The problem will be how to conceptualize the thing; would it enclose a ship under service, like a Trekverse dock, or simply offer a platform with storage and marshaling space for zero-G workers and workpods? There's not really any use for cranes and such with tractor beam technology, and you don't need to protect workers from weather/etc. in vacuum. How close does the structure really need to be to the hull to be useful? Should the main structure simply be a base on which to build gantries and very temporary secondary structures?

From wookiepedia a single module can handle a Strike, 4 for a Victory, 15 an ISD, and 18 for a torpedo sphere. Now that's 450-500m length for each module at least, and sounds like the modules do all connect at some level, and the joined unit is hyperdrive-mobile (perhaps only maneuvering thruster for sublight, or carrying large sublight tugs to handle the deepdock at a new location). I'm thinking right now an articulated 3-section modular bay that would make a square U shape when folded, but can also lie flat as a large section to join rows of modules on either side of a docked ship. Fairly thin in material, massively perforated or completely skeletal, with rotating workshop/assembly platforms within the sections themselves.





Basic deepdock modules, no idea where the maneuvering thrusters or machinery space is going to be, but three articulated sections, with flip-out workspace platforms. If I do build it like this, there will be several different variants, with different platforms, maybe articulated airlock arms and some storage modules.



No idea how the attachments will look, but they'll generally be hidden for the most part - will make the edge greeble modular so they can be moved and only shown on the exposed surfaces.

Scaling:

[evillejedi]

for bulk material handling tractoring sounds fine, but precision installation seems like it would need a solid surface with manipulator arms, especially for complex translations and rotations when fitting pieces for hull repairs and refitting, do we have any references about the precision of tractoring? I'd imagine gantries supporting frigate sized versions of this type of stuff http://www.jama.org/photoGallery/MfgUS/MfgUS01Full.jpg

[fractalsponge1]

Hm, point made. Again, more a problem with visualization and organization. I figure that each of the rotating work platforms, and the girder structure for each module itself, will have a fixed pattern of mounting structures to support gantries then. The modular gantry pieces themselves will probably be at least as big as one of the deepdock modules then. I'll need to play with the concept more. It'll be tricky to make sure it's completely modular, and to set up a simple way to instance and place all the different module types. Actual modeling will probably be a breeze.

Some dreadnought updates - fixed some weird shadow issues that were there previously, more details to the aft end.

[Thanas]

*starts salivating*

Will you use the same blue exhaust "flames" as you did with the Bellator? That would make the finished model look even better.

[fractalsponge1]

Yep, for full military power; will calibrate it for a yellowish tinge too, for station keeping.