Something big

[emp3ror86]

Assertor.
Invictus sounds good, too.

[fractalsponge1]

New angle:


I think I will go with Assertor-class for this, as in (N one asserting status of another; restorer of liberty, protector, champion). Individual ship name Wrath. All the other suggestions would make fine other individual ships if I ever write up my technical background/combat scenario fluff story

[Azron_Stoma]

I would suggest HIMS Korthox. (a fanon creature but still a non-earth derived monstrous name) A Korthox was originally conceptualized as a cross between a Carnifex, Lictor and an Ultralisk. It still keeps the same basic shape/armament after the revisions.

I do find it funny that the Ultralisk in Starcraft 2 looks like a Korthox minus flesh hook tentacles. Of course going from 2 huge scythe/sickle arms to 4 is a rather predictable and, admittedly, not hugely imaginative progression.

It's just more amusing to me that they decided to make it look even more like a Carnifex knockoff.

[Abacus]

For class names:

Latin
Centurion
Osvaldus
Lotharius
Lucanus
Erebus
Titanus


Celtic
Cadarn
Cadifor
Saidear

[fractalsponge1]

Now that I'm done with Assertor-class Wrath for a little while (at least until I get the gumption to finish the hangars), I've dusted off something now rather old:





Wrestled it, kicking and screaming, into max 2010, and re-did the block-out of the fantail/stern area. Did some other minor tweaks, but otherwise just preparing for future work. Assertor-spec materials and lighting also. I considered putting engine nozzles from Wrath on it, but they are just too freaking huge, makes the rest of the hull look like a toy.

Length now modified by the new fantail to ~3500m.

I'm not quite done with the ventral hangar layout yet, so nothing to show there for now.

[The Original Nex]

The dreadnought is gorgeous, if a bit overstimulating! Glad to see the fleet carrier being dusted off

[Vastatosaurus Rex]

Wow! That's incredible!

[fusion]

While I love the fact that the fleet carrier isn't ignored, I do have another nitpick about the dreadnought: WHERE IS THE GINORMOUS RENDER THAT YOU PROMISED US?
Anyways, I look forward to scenarios that you come up with! (and ships of course)

[fractalsponge1]

Gah, stupid typo in the armament post for the Assertor: should be close to 4e27W sustained power.

What, 4800 pixels isn't wide enough for you? What kind of pervertedly huge monitor setup do you have? :p

[fusion]

Gah, stupid typo in the armament post for the Assertor: should be close to 4e27W sustained power.

What, 4800 pixels isn't wide enough for you? What kind of pervertedly huge monitor setup do you have? :p

:sheepishly: Well, I don't even have a big enough monitor to see even 1/16th of the current renders. However, when you built this ship, you had details that went down to a meter. I just felt that the detail that you have on this ship would be completely wasted on a resolution that does not support such fine detail. That's all.

[Abacus]

Gah, stupid typo in the armament post for the Assertor: should be close to 4e27W sustained power.

What page was that on?

@the carrier: That looks awesome! I think its appropriate that the defensive armament for the fleet carrier is nothing heavier than what a normal ISD would carry (ie only the 8-barrel barrettes). What are you imagining the compliment for it is going to be?

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

4e27W sustained power

What kind of yardstick do we know of to compare this to?

[fractalsponge1]

The 4e27W estimate for the Assertor-class is by reactor volume comparison to an ISD (~400xISD generation). ISDs I'm assuming are 1e25W.

Executor, by turret measurements, might be on the order of 100-200 ISDs, so 1-2e27W. Mandators, by the comparison to Recusants, should be on the order of 8e26W. So Executors would outgun Mandators by ~2x, and an Assertor should outgun an Executor by another ~2x. Eclipses and Sovereigns have no hard numbers attached to them. By potential reactor volume a Sovereign might be similar to an Assertor, Eclipses potentially higher, possibly into high 1e27 range.

Guesswork and random background notes:
Effectiveness wise, I think a Mandator might be very heavily built and much more survivable ton-for-ton than an Executor, which is more of a glass cannon, but quite fast. Assertor would have decisive superiority over either, but due to different factors (brute armament, and possibly speed over a Mandator, survivability and to a lesser extent armament over an Executor). Armament is within 5-fold of a Mandator, which should be quite decisive, but per ton might be more comparable. An Executor is going to be well enough armed to be in the same range (~2-fold), but might get hammered to pieces before it can matter.

Assertors would have superior ancillary equipment (late-generation and more numerous EW/comscan equipment, gravity well generators) compared to either older design. The miniaturized superlaser also makes it a better siege platform, as well as offering the chance for a very concentrated alpha in ship to ship, if it hits. Otherwise, the capacitor system would basically serve as an additional surge sink for the power system, enhancing survivability, or as backup for other gun batteries. Either way, the requirements for the mini-superlaser will entail more robust a hull structure and power grid than either of the earlier ships, and that feeds into more survivability and survivability per ton.

Sovereign might be a decent competitor, but we know very little about it. Probably a more powerful but slower charging superlaser, probably inferior conventional armament. Comparable acceleration? Both ships have gravity well generators, later-generation electronics.

Eclipses would be more powerful by generation and shield power. Its superlaser is much larger than a Sovereign's, and while this means it's going to have tremendous hitting power as a siege platform, the focus on the prime weapon probably gimps it in space combat. The mass of the large superlaser and associated equipment, and the bracing required for it probably means the ship is rather heavy and unwieldy, not helped by the puny engine system, which is probably more to help with the recoil of the superlaser than any serious acceleration. Very tough by virtue of the structural requirements of the superlaser and the space and volume for shield generators and heatsinks, but the requirements of that system also means conventional weaponry is going to get shafted a bit; there are no obvious large turrets on the ship, and forward arcs are somewhat of an issue due to the giant superlaser-beard.

More pertinently, the slow acceleration means that any of the other ships will likely run circles around it, and be able to concentrate their relatively superior conventional firepower at weaker spots like the engines. That's if they can dodge or fake out the Eclipse's gunnery direction for the first superlaser strike (and assuming the ones that have their own superlaser doesn't land an early hit).

On a more fluff note, I figure Assertors would be a development from the Sovereign/Eclipse lineage: cleaned up, simplified, and more focused for conventional battlefleet work like a Mandator. Cheaper but heavier materials, less complicated lines and structure, more conventional weapons, superlaser more tuned for sniping large ships and stations than shattering continents. Better and more EW and comscan equipment. Less dark side temple/terror weapon and more main line fleet combatant. The first ships would have come into service after Operation Shadow Hand, as a supplement and eventual replacement for the Sovereigns, but delayed due to the general (internal) collapse of the offensive and political chaos.

[Ketan]

great background notes

but what for a superlaser??where is it?

i think a SSD without a superlaser for great conventional battles is better!

for superlaser action , there are the 2 others

[Abacus]

great background notes

but what for a superlaser??where is it?

i think a SSD without a superlaser for great conventional battles is better!

for superlaser action , there are the 2 others

Superlasers are overrated and tend to have too many draw-backs...least in my opinion. I like that fractal didn't add it in to the Assertor.

[Mr. Coffee]

Superlasers are overrated and tend to have too many draw-backs...least in my opinion. I like that fractal didn't add it in to the Assertor.

Um, what?

Assertors would have superior ancillary equipment (late-generation and more numerous EW/comscan equipment, gravity well generators) compared to either older design. The miniaturized superlaser also makes it a better siege platform, as well as offering the chance for a very concentrated alpha in ship to ship, if it hits.

On a more fluff note, I figure Assertors would be a development from the Sovereign/Eclipse lineage: cleaned up, simplified, and more focused for conventional battlefleet work like a Mandator. Cheaper but heavier materials, less complicated lines and structure, more conventional weapons, superlaser more tuned for sniping large ships and stations than shattering continents.

Reading is your friend...

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

I'd like to see a possibility of multiple power-vs-firerate settings as emphatically implied by the DS2's heavy superlaser sniping individual warships at Endor. I do quite heartily approve of the Big Stick philosophy behind this design of taking the best ideas of strategic capital weaponry, optimizing it with new technology, then designing a hull with hefty engines and weapons to house it while being careful to discard whatever made previous ships or weapons so unwieldy or militarily ineffective. In short, this ship makes my dick hard.

So when do we see it shoot?

[emp3ror86]

Nice to see the carrier is back.

Question about the Assertor-class:

How would its escort look like in numbers and classes?

Not like it couldn't take on anything the rebels or the vong can put against it, but even the Assertor-class needs escort and auxiliary units. If I am right.

[fractalsponge1]

I do quite heartily approve of the Big Stick philosophy behind this design of taking the best ideas of strategic capital weaponry, optimizing it with new technology, then designing a hull with hefty engines and weapons to house it while being careful to discard whatever made previous ships or weapons so unwieldy or militarily ineffective.

The superlaser is really almost a secondary system on this ship; I think possibly Sovereign and definitely Eclipse sacrificed too much to get the largest possible superlaser in place. Eclipse is pretty much a truck for its main weapon. The concept behind the Assertor would take normal fleet operations into perspective; the superlaser is a useful tool for sieges and against large high value targets, not an end-all-and-be-all on its own, and its scale and the compromises made for it are judged against what that capability can bring a line combatant. The presence of a much more collectively powerful and far more flexible conventional armament is another consequence of reducing the focus on the superlaser.

How would its escort look like in numbers and classes?

Not like it couldn't take on anything the rebels or the vong can put against it, but even the Assertor-class needs escort and auxiliary units. If I am right.

Well, that's not really related to the art of the ship, is it?

Speculation time:
I am one of those people that think ISDs are fairly mundane little ships, and I know there's some dissension on that point. That will color my interpretation of fleet distribution and organization a bit (i.e. Azure Hammer has 57 capital ships, but I interpret that as being all Star Battlecruiser and up...).

But to speculate, based on Publius and Eleventh Century Remnant's interpretations, overall command of fleet assets would be by as numbered Starfleets or Oversector commands for central forces, Sector Groups for territorial defense units. Under those, battle squadrons of actual Star Battleships, battlecruiser, cruiser, and destroyer squadrons, and escort and scouting groups for light ships. Ships would be administratively divided into those formations, and then distributed out into more ad hoc tactical subunits such as Death Squadron or numbered Superiority Fleets, etc. Executor could therefore be administratively part 1st Battle Squadron, 1st Starfleet, Strategic Forces, blah, blah, but deployed as part of Death Squadron.

So, really, whatever goes; there is no fixed escort. I'd recommend Hull 721 in fanfics if you haven't read it yet. There a Mandator's support group is two large and two small Star Cruisers, and 10 destroyers.

What are you imagining the compliment for it is going to be?

There was some discussion about this way back in the thread when the carrier first appeared. By volume scaling from Venators the possible complement pretty huge. I thought 24 fighter wings, 1 Corps ground contingent (with heavy armor) would be a conservative estimate. Nix most of the troops for fleet work, and it'll go up to 36+ fighter wings.

The complement for Assertors I won't know until I do the hangar area, but certainly not less than 12 fighter wings, and 1 Corps troops.

[Havok]

Not to make too spammy a post, but needs more wallpapers please!

[VT-16]

Just adding to the composition thingy. The Imperial Navy situation is compounded by the fact that the local planetary navies, as well as the private fleets of the Moffs (from TFU Campaign Guide) are also part of it. The planetary/systems navies, because Palpatine centralized them during the CW, making them the core of his new Imperial Navy when it ended. This makes standard sector groups just one aspect of the overall naval assets available to a sector/oversector.

I like the continued work on the carrier, as well.

[Ketan]

The superlaser is really almost a secondary system on this ship; I think possibly Sovereign and definitely Eclipse sacrificed too much to get the largest possible superlaser in place. Eclipse is pretty much a truck for its main weapon. The concept behind the Assertor would take normal fleet operations into perspective; the superlaser is a useful tool for sieges and against large high value targets, not an end-all-and-be-all on its own, and its scale and the compromises made for it are judged against what that capability can bring a line combatant. The presence of a much more collectively powerful and far more flexible conventional armament is another consequence of reducing the focus on the superlaser.

can you show me the superlaser to the SSD? I do not find him

[fractalsponge1]

^It's at the prow, in the recessed area.

Carrier update:

[Littlefoot]

I hate to disparage such great work, but wouldn't it be safer and faster if the bays faced outward? I understand the reasoning behind protected bays, but this strikes me as the kind of ship that would stay back from the main line. The probability of collisions seem to be very high with the current configuration, especially if this is used to quickly get in, unload its bays, then retreat and await for recovery. It just seems like an unnecessarily bottle necked traffic area. Looks good though.

[fractalsponge1]

Well, part of it is just aesthetic; Giel's carrier is the archetype I'm working off of.

As far as traffic control, well, yeah, probably the biggest limiting factor in all SW carriers. Even if the gap is (and it is) on kilometer scale, there are still thousands of fighters that operate from the space. That said, there's also going to be ventral bays.

Also, given how the hangars are connected and the kind of ordnance that can be in there, any fire that enters is going to be dangerous. And a carrier is always going to be opening all sorts of small gaps in local shields to handle traffic, whereas a multipurpose ship can just sortie all its fighters early, and pretty much close the hangar down until the situation is safe.