Debating an idiot on Facebook...
Posted: 2013-05-11 12:09pm
It started with a post that my friend, who's now a Catholic Priest/Chaplain in the US Army posted a link:
So since we like to debate on the subject, I read the article and started my argument:Daniel R. Goulet shared a link. Thursday at 3:20pm ·
Same Sex Marriage and the Natural Law: http://www.hprweb.com/2013/05/same-sex- ... E.facebook
I was going to get back to him when one of his friends jumped me.Jeremy A. Reynolds
Alright Goulet, Round 2! *ding!* Thursday at 6:27pm ·
Jeremy A. Reynolds
Part 1: Let us first look at some of the points that were made on Natural Law:
No one has written more clearly or concisely about the natural law than St. Thomas Aquinas, that peerless 13th century philosopher-theologian. In his master work, Summa Theologiae (I-II, q. 94), he offers us the following points concerning the natural law:
1. The natural law is that part of the divine, eternal law which applies to human beings and which can be understood by them.
Assumption Accepted as humans can understand laws as they are written down.
2. The human intellect operates on two distinct levels, on a speculative level and on a practical level. It is on the speculative level that the mind pursues the positive sciences: mathematics, physics, chemistry, biology, psychology, etc. It is on the practical level that the mind discovers the natural law, and judges the morality of human acts in the light of it.
Assumption Accepted as humanity has progressed in all of these fields.
3. The first, self-evident, indemonstrable principle of the natural law which is “known naturally” by every sane, mature mind is: “good is to be done and evil is to be avoided.” Then, St. Thomas adds “all other precepts of the natural law are based upon this.”
Assumption Accepted and I’ll be coming back to this point.
4. The natural law is the same for all human beings, and it is unchangeable.
Assumption Accepted and I’ll come back to this one as well. This is a good example of what is moral and what is immoral.
5. The natural law is “written in the hearts of men which iniquity itself cannot efface” (from the “Confessions of St. Augustine,” ii). After quoting St. Augustine, St. Thomas comments: “But the law, which is written in men’s hearts, is the natural law. Therefore, the natural law cannot be blotted out.”
Circular Logic and False Cause Fallacies. Humans change laws all the time as more knowledge is gained. If we were to follow St. Thomas’ logic here, then the first laws ever laid down would therefore be ironclad and not be able to be changed ever. If that were the case then we would still be living in the dark ages and points one through four that were made above would be meaningless. Some laws that are created, that have been written in men’s hearts, were inherently evil (I’ll use slavery as an example) and eventually repealed. If we were to keep with point five, then we’d still have evil laws which would then be a direct contradiction of St. Augustine’s third point in which “Evil is to be avoided”. (Part 2 to follow)
Thursday at 6:48pm ·
Jeremy A. Reynolds Ok, Part 2 will take some time. I'll get back to you on this. Thursday at 6:56pm ·