Child porn

[Kamakazie Sith]

the report itself said there wasn't sufficient evidence. the fact that various pedophiles didn't have or report any child abuse doesn't lead that it's a direct cause. it might play some part towards their disposition to it, but it isn't necessarily a cause.

You're right, and I didn't mean to make it seem like childhood sexual abuse is the primary cause. There are probably a large number of factors that make one actively seek out sexual intercourse with children. That is just one of them....but obviously more study is needed.

[Jawawithagun]

Damn the lack of editing. Anyway, even if all sexual desires are instinctive, the fact a homosexual can stop feeling attracted to guys shows that instincts can be overwritten. So then the question is, how can we "bottle" the method, change it here and there, and apply it to pedophiles?

No, it just ties in with the fact that most people are not COMPLETELY straight or homosexual but bisexual to a certain degree. That's why we have dedicated family fathers leaving their wife and their kids to live with another man.
In the same vein pedophiles can have working long-term relationships with other adults. They are not EXCLUSIVELY attracted to kids!

[InnerBrat]

And if you try coming back with "all desires are instinctive", don't bother. There are homosexuals out there who stopped feeling attracted to guys and switched to woman, and I'm sure probably sure vice versa.

BS, you know that the claims by fundy churches that homosexuals can "reform" is complete bullshit right? There is countless evidence showing that homosexuals cannot change their sexuality.

[Trytostaydead]

I've always had a problem with the terms "child porn" and "peodphile." Say you're 20 and you fall for a 17 year old girl, are you a pedophile?

[Kamakazie Sith]

I've always had a problem with the terms "child porn" and "peodphile." Say you're 20 and you fall for a 17 year old girl, are you a pedophile?

No. A child is someone under the age of 14.

[Darth Paul]

I've always had a problem with the terms "child porn" and "peodphile." Say you're 20 and you fall for a 17 year old girl, are you a pedophile?

I was told by a cop who does this kind of investigation that the Canadian police only go after pre-pubescent cases, which would generally indicate about age 13 and under. I guess they just had too many legal issues with the "she looked 18" angle...

[LordShaithis]

I have no idea what the psychology behind paedophilia (the preference, not the act) is, so I went to Google to have a look.

I didn't find much explaining the attraction, but I did find a damn disturbing site: http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/

This Essay was written by a paedophile attempting to explain paedophilia. The entire site operates on a principle of "children can give consent", so be warned, some of what he describes is just... *shudder*

AIIIEEEE! That was one of those links I should have known better than to click...

[fgalkin]

Well, I was reading the webiste IB linked to, and found a it quite fascinating glimpse into a peaedophile's mind. Then, I came across this passage:

A 6 year old little girl once said to me that she thought kissing with tongues was disgusting. She made a big show of being disgusted. I asked 'Is it becuase YOU think its disgusting or is it because your mother makes you think its disgusting.' She paused, thought, and said 'Actually, it is because my mother thinks its disgusting.' I asked her who then she would want to kiss like that. She went red as a beetroot, and admitted it was me. This shows she knew that the kiss was sexual, wanted sexual relations with an adult, and that she was still no too old to break her parent's programming.

KILL!! KRUSH!! DESTROY!!! MAIM!! BURN!!! LYNCH!!! EXTERMINATE!!!!

Seriously, that was simply disgusting.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Rogue 9]

Well, I was reading the webiste IB linked to, and found a it quite fascinating glimpse into a peaedophile's mind. Then, I came across this passage:

A 6 year old little girl once said to me that she thought kissing with tongues was disgusting. She made a big show of being disgusted. I asked 'Is it becuase YOU think its disgusting or is it because your mother makes you think its disgusting.' She paused, thought, and said 'Actually, it is because my mother thinks its disgusting.' I asked her who then she would want to kiss like that. She went red as a beetroot, and admitted it was me. This shows she knew that the kiss was sexual, wanted sexual relations with an adult, and that she was still no too old to break her parent's programming.

KILL!! KRUSH!! DESTROY!!! MAIM!! BURN!!! LYNCH!!! EXTERMINATE!!!!

Seriously, that was simply disgusting.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

That... I knew I shouldn't click that link, and it seems I was justified. *Boils over.* What'd I do with that sword...

[BoredShirtless]

BS, you know that the claims by fundy churches that homosexuals can "reform" is complete bullshit right?

Those claims I heard peripherally came from fundy churches? Do they output anything but bullshit? No seriously the idea of "reforming" permeated my mind, but I don't know from where.

There is countless evidence showing that homosexuals cannot change their sexuality.

Well can you please show it? Evidence showing sexuality is "hard coded" would be I think very interesting reading.

[InnerBrat]

Religioustolerance.org covers this kind of thing nicely. Sorry about the ads, though...

[Alyrium Denryle]

BS, substitute "homosexuality" for "pedophilia" in your arguments and see where it takes you.


Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Problem is there is nothing, and I mean nothing, to suggest that pedophilia is anything but a mental disorder. Usully caused by prior abuse(statistically, most pedophiles were abused as children)

[Alyrium Denryle]

Damn the lack of editing. Anyway, even if all sexual desires are instinctive, the fact a homosexual can stop feeling attracted to guys shows that instincts can be overwritten.

That's not a "fact", pinhead.

Dude, yes it is.

No, no it isnt. The recidivism rate for so called "ex gay" movements is nearly 100%, there is also this little thing called a bisexual, and a genetic basis for homosexuality, which has been proven rather well.

[BoredShirtless]

BS, substitute "homosexuality" for "pedophilia" in your arguments and see where it takes you.


Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Problem is there is nothing, and I mean nothing, to suggest that pedophilia is anything but a mental disorder. Usully caused by prior abuse(statistically, most pedophiles were abused as children)

But then, if it's true that sexuality is "hard coded", why can't people be born with an attraction for children, as they are born with the attraction for men, or for women?

But even before reading InnerBrats link, I think this topic here is not very defined, with not enough evidence to support a solid theory.

[Chris OFarrell]

BS, substitute "homosexuality" for "pedophilia" in your arguments and see where it takes you.


Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Problem is there is nothing, and I mean nothing, to suggest that pedophilia is anything but a mental disorder. Usully caused by prior abuse(statistically, most pedophiles were abused as children)

But then, if it's true that sexuality is "hard coded", why can't people be born with an attraction for children, as they are born with the attraction for men, or for women?

Errr isn't that what a Pedophile is? Someone coded sexualy atracted to Children, something that is abnormal and apparently very strong given the numbers of incidents?

[BoredShirtless]

Errr isn't that what a Pedophile is? Someone coded sexualy atracted to Children, something that is abnormal and apparently very strong given the numbers of incidents?

Right, they are coded. But the question is, are they hard coded [born with it.]....or do they acquire the attraction [soft coding]....or maybe a bit of both? In my opinion, most people acquire it, with maybe a few being born with it.

In my opinion it is much easire to reverse or "drop" any acquired attraction, meaning they can stop desiring children. But if that desire is hard coded, it'd probably be harder or maybe even impossible. Of course they always have the option of not acting on their desires, but that isn't the debate here.

[fgalkin]

BS, substitute "homosexuality" for "pedophilia" in your arguments and see where it takes you.


Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Problem is there is nothing, and I mean nothing, to suggest that pedophilia is anything but a mental disorder. Usully caused by prior abuse(statistically, most pedophiles were abused as children)

Yes there is. Man develops brain tumour, man becomes a pedophile. Tumor is removed, man stops being a pedophile.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Zac Naloen]

BS, substitute "homosexuality" for "pedophilia" in your arguments and see where it takes you.


Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Problem is there is nothing, and I mean nothing, to suggest that pedophilia is anything but a mental disorder. Usully caused by prior abuse(statistically, most pedophiles were abused as children)

Yes there is. Man develops brain tumour, man becomes a pedophile. Tumor is removed, man stops being a pedophile.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

That suggests it to do with brain chemistry, much like ADD and the like. Theoretically there may be a treatment.

[fgalkin]

Yes, it is. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a lot of research directed into this area.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Darth Wong]

Right, they are coded. But the question is, are they hard coded [born with it.]....or do they acquire the attraction [soft coding]....or maybe a bit of both? In my opinion, most people acquire it, with maybe a few being born with it.

"Acquired" does not necessarily mean "voluntary". You can acquire allergies based on early childhood environments too. Just try telling someone to stop being allergic.

[BoredShirtless]

BS, substitute "homosexuality" for "pedophilia" in your arguments and see where it takes you.


Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Problem is there is nothing, and I mean nothing, to suggest that pedophilia is anything but a mental disorder. Usully caused by prior abuse(statistically, most pedophiles were abused as children)

Yes there is. Man develops brain tumour, man becomes a pedophile. Tumor is removed, man stops being a pedophile.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

This evidence doesn't really help; note the guy thought nothing of pissing on himself. The brain tumour is too much of an unknown to include this as evidence.

[fgalkin]

Yes, but it does show that pedophilia is not simply acquired. It can be linked to a brain disorder, which may be genetic. Now, the tumour has affected many things in his brain, one of them affecting pedophilia.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[BoredShirtless]

"Acquired" does not necessarily mean "voluntary". You can acquire allergies based on early childhood environments too. Just try telling someone to stop being allergic.

What are the variables for picking up an allergy? The body rejecting a compound is it. But sexual attraction is more. It involves not just our bodies responding to chemicals but our thoughts. The shape of her ass for example, while maybe not in the front of our minds, in our conscience, all the time, is still part of the sexual attraction. And what is our subconcious, if not the sum of our life events? So if our subconcious can be "programmed" to acquire an attraction for children, then it can also be "deprogrammed".

[Darth Wong]

What are the variables for picking up an allergy? The body rejecting a compound is it. But sexual attraction is more. It involves not just our bodies responding to chemicals but our thoughts. The shape of her ass for example, while maybe not in the front of our minds, in our conscience, all the time, is still part of the sexual attraction. And what is our subconcious, if not the sum of our life events? So if our subconcious can be "programmed" to acquire an attraction for children, then it can also be "deprogrammed".

Nice theory. Too bad it hasn't got a shred of evidence to support it. No one has ever successfully "deprogrammed" a pedophile to remove his urges; at best, they can only control his behaviour.

[Trytostaydead]

This evidence doesn't really help; note the guy thought nothing of pissing on himself. The brain tumour is too much of an unknown to include this as evidence.

I have to agree with BoredShirtless here. The evidence doesn't necessarily suggest the brain tumor MADE him into a pedophile, but that the tumor disinhibited him probably by rendering some of his judgement pathways inoperable. Such as the case of poor Phineas Gage. Which probably ties in nicely with how much morality is learned versus innate (probably none at all).

Furthermore, he still has most of his frontal cortex operational. He obviously PLANNED a lot of the things he did to become gratified. Downloading and hiding child porn requires planning and acting. I've been on the net for now almost a decade and seen almost every deprived act known to man, but I've never seen what would consitute as CP. From what I heard, it requires a certain amount of knowledge and work to get them.

He went to massage parlors to solicit sex. Tried to solicit sex from children. On the flip side though, it looks as if other actions were spontaneous such as solicitating sex at his rehabilitation groups.

Eitherway, it doesn't mean it MADE him into a pedophile. Or even that he was a pedophile with the tumor. The evidency more solidly points to a disinhibition when it comes to sex.