As long as he's got a good defense lawyer and witnesses that come out on his side than he should get off. As for why he was charged by the cops, I'd chalk it up to lousy police work. Tell him to get a good lawyer, between the witnesses and the lawyer he should get off. He can also get those terms in regards to not drinking and being barred from the bar changed easily enough. Provided the judge he appears in front of isn't a total dick.Justforfun000 wrote:
He was on the ground the entire time being kicked in the head and punched all over. If it was on HIM then he managed to pull it out of a pocket during the blows and use it.
If it was on the attackers then he grabbed it off them.
I don't see how this could in any way be anything BUT pure self defence.
You know what's fucked? Our self defense laws
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What frustrates me is the entire process. He shouldn't be charged in the FIRST place. You're a fellow Canadian, so this must aggravate you as well. I'm sure you would feel justified in doing whatever means necessary to protect yourself against some brutish thugs who were beating the hell out of you for no good reason. Not ever a mitigating factor of being "provoked" even. I just can't fathom the mindset that says anything remotely like "You have the right to protect yourself from whatever harm is happening to you providing you don't do your attackers any SERIOUS harm." What is this idiocy? In a fight, you have a simple situation. Be hurt, or defend and hurt back to STOP the attack. You don't fucking negotiate or draw lines of where to determine potential harm.As long as he's got a good defense lawyer and witnesses that come out on his side than he should get off. As for why he was charged by the cops, I'd chalk it up to lousy police work. Tell him to get a good lawyer, between the witnesses and the lawyer he should get off. He can also get those terms in regards to not drinking and being barred from the bar changed easily enough. Provided the judge he appears in front of isn't a total dick.
What, you'd say "Ok, you can kick me in the head, but only twice...and I'll stab you only in superficial places. Cool?"
People who instigate fights of this nature, in tandems of THREE no less, deserve no slack at all. They weren't in any way shape or form justified in threatening and jumping any of these people. They are assholes pure and simple and they should not only have the book thrown at them, it should be wrapped in TNT.
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I'm wondering why nobody has called you a worthless scumbag over this comment. I wasn't aware that anybody _ever_ had it coming to them when they got raped. Perhaps you can explain it to us all why this hypothetical person deserved to be raped.aerius wrote:I doubt she'd suffer legal consequences, but we'd all be calling her a stupid fucking bitch who got what she had coming.
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It does frustrate me quite a fair bit. Canada's self defense laws need to be revised. But I get the impression that the reason why your friend got charged and his attackers got off was because he used a weapon in the incident. Canadian police forces often overreact when they hear "weapon" and tend to ignore the other factors. I do hope that your friend gets off free and clear, the fact that they didn't jail him right away tells me that the police aren't treating this to seriously. Whats he being charged with anyways?Justforfun000 wrote: What frustrates me is the entire process. He shouldn't be charged in the FIRST place. You're a fellow Canadian, so this must aggravate you as well. I'm sure you would feel justified in doing whatever means necessary to protect yourself against some brutish thugs who were beating the hell out of you for no good reason. Not ever a mitigating factor of being "provoked" even. I just can't fathom the mindset that says anything remotely like "You have the right to protect yourself from whatever harm is happening to you providing you don't do your attackers any SERIOUS harm." What is this idiocy? In a fight, you have a simple situation. Be hurt, or defend and hurt back to STOP the attack. You don't fucking negotiate or draw lines of where to determine potential harm.
Are these guys being charged with anything?What, you'd say "Ok, you can kick me in the head, but only twice...and I'll stab you only in superficial places. Cool?"
People who instigate fights of this nature, in tandems of THREE no less, deserve no slack at all. They weren't in any way shape or form justified in threatening and jumping any of these people. They are assholes pure and simple and they should not only have the book thrown at them, it should be wrapped in TNT.
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