Holy Trinity and transformers

mr friendly guy · Post by **mr friendly guy** » 2005-09-26 12:03am

One of the problems with Christian dogma is the issue of the Holy Trinity. Is the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost one entity or three? If they are three, then Christians will no longer be monotheists, something which is very important in their believes.

The Bible doesn't help much in settling the issue. Jesus mentions that his father and him are one, but when he was crucified he asked his father why he had forsaken him.

The apologist response has been to say that such a concept is a-logical. A made up word meaning beyond logic, which is very strange considering something is either logical or illogical. In other words the apologist admit they cannot explain it, but that we should take it on faith any way.

I however think I can explain this puzzling aspect of Christianity.

Jesus was a transformer.

Consider the gestalt transformers. They are usually composed of 5 to 6 robots which merge into a bigger robot, or gestalt. For example the 6 Constructicons merge into Devastator while the 5 Technobots merge into Computron. Is it not inconceivable that Jesus, the Holy Spirit and God merge into another entity. This can explain why Jesus feels God and himself are one and yet God could have forsaken him on the cross.

Also consider the Headmaster transformers. These consists of a human size robot which transforms into a head, and connects to the body of a headless robot (average transformer size). The largest Autobot Fortress Maximus goes one step further, with the average size robot transforming into another head and attaching to the huge Fortress Maximus body. Jesus could transform into a head, attach itself to the Holy Ghosts body (come on, we never see the Holy Ghost, so it must be because it needs the head before it can show itself), which transforms into another head and attaches itself to God’s humanoid form.

Now let us consider the Pretender transformers. These are essentially transformers which fit inside a Pretender shell. The shell itself is a hollow robot, more like a suit of armour, which splits open in half to allow the robot to go inside. Now there are several different types of Pretenders. One of them being the Ultra Pretenders. This consists of a robot which fits inside a Pretender shell, which in turn fits inside a vehicle (like Russian dolls). Now with three different parts of the whole, this could explain the Holy Trinity. That’s right, Jesus is a pretender.

Now the only question remains, is Jesus an Autobot or Decepticon?

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2005-09-26 12:27am

Seeing as how he could pass for human, he's probably Maximal. I don't recall them ever gathering up all the stray stasis pods before they left Earth at the end of the Beast Wars, and it's quite possible that one of them remained dormant until the first fully-formed humans evolved, and then scanned one of them for its beast mode.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-09-26 12:33am

It seems like Jesus is an Autobot, God is an evil Decipticon, and the Holy Spirit is just some dickless wanker, making the Trinity a wierd hybrid fusion person.

EmperorSolo51 · Post by **EmperorSolo51** » 2005-09-26 01:17am

No! NO! NO! You have it all wrong. Jesus was an Autobot, God is Cybertron, and the Holy Spirit are the the Dinobots.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-09-26 02:46am

and the Holy Spirit are the the Dinobots

Gimlock HAS to be Moses, though. With the freeing of the Sharkticons from Quintesson slavery in the movie.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2005-09-26 03:01am

VT-16 wrote:
and the Holy Spirit are the the Dinobots
Gimlock HAS to be Moses, though. With the freeing of the Sharkticons from Quintesson slavery in the movie.

"ME SAY LET THEM ROBOTS GO!"

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2005-09-26 07:05am

Sorry, Jesus can't be a maximal.

If you'll recall, by the end of season 2, they were all actually shocked to find Protoform-X, then Transmutate's stasis pods operational after that length of time.

Odds are, any left over stasis pods that did not become Maximal or Predacon were no longer functional/alive.

I guess a massive explosion will do that....

and please, God so was not a Decipticon.

Decipticon's are cool

TimothyC · Post by **TimothyC** » 2005-09-26 01:28pm

A few points from the resident Anti-Trinitarian (We're like Bob in Dilbert, we've been hidding behind furniture for the past several hundred years).

1. What many of you are calling "Holy Spirit" is "holy spirit". "Holy Spirit" is God (He's Holy, he's Spirit, and he's a proper noun). "holy spirit" is what Adam lost, and what was regained on Pentacost.

2. Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 both have the Aramaic "El(o)i, El(o)i, lama sabachthani?" Both verses have a translation as "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" A better translation would infact be "My God, My God, For what purpose was I spared?"

Yes I'm what most of you would call a fundy, and I'm fine with that.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-09-27 06:52pm

Solauren wrote:and please, God so was not a Decipticon.

Decipticon's are cool

Are you kidding me? He sends angry she-bears to rip people up. He kills thousands with plagues. He's the badass in charge, and he knows it. God is too cool. The only uncool part about him is that he...hates sex.

Okay, I take it back, God sucks dick.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2005-09-27 07:53pm

wolveraptor wrote:
Solauren wrote:and please, God so was not a Decipticon.

Decipticon's are cool
Are you kidding me? He sends angry she-bears to rip people up. He kills thousands with plagues. He's the badass in charge, and he knows it. God is too cool. The only uncool part about him is that he...hates sex.

Okay, I take it back, God sucks dick.

No, that's the point. He doesn't, 'cuz He (or the folks claiming to speak for Him) don't like sex.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2005-09-27 07:57pm

Molyneux wrote:
wolveraptor wrote:
Solauren wrote:and please, God so was not a Decipticon.

Decipticon's are cool
Are you kidding me? He sends angry she-bears to rip people up. He kills thousands with plagues. He's the badass in charge, and he knows it. God is too cool. The only uncool part about him is that he...hates sex.

Okay, I take it back, God sucks dick.
No, that's the point. He doesn't, 'cuz He (or the folks claiming to speak for Him) don't like sex.

See, that's the thing. God's just overcompensating because he's a horny preteen who can't get any with an underdeveloped member. So he figures if he can't get any, why should anyone else?

Kettch · Post by **Kettch** » 2005-09-28 02:07am

MariusRoi wrote: 2. Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 both have the Aramaic "El(o)i, El(o)i, lama sabachthani?" Both verses have a translation as "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" A better translation would infact be "My God, My God, For what purpose was I spared?"

It's line 1 of Psalm 22, Titles in my NRSV as "Plea for deliverence from Suffering and Hostility" and the note on 22.1 is "The prayer for help of an individual in great distress ads the song of thanksgiving and praise that follows the word of God's response of deliverance."

MariusRoi wrote:Yes I'm what most of you would call a fundy, and I'm fine with that.

That's OK, you're an intresting fundie

TimothyC · Post by **TimothyC** » 2005-09-28 08:32am

Kettch wrote:
MariusRoi wrote: 2. Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 both have the Aramaic "El(o)i, El(o)i, lama sabachthani?" Both verses have a translation as "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" A better translation would infact be "My God, My God, For what purpose was I spared?"
It's line 1 of Psalm 22, Titles in my NRSV as "Plea for deliverence from Suffering and Hostility" and the note on 22.1 is "The prayer for help of an individual in great distress ads the song of thanksgiving and praise that follows the word of God's response of deliverance."

Actually, thanks for reminding me about this topic. I had the translation wrong

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It's not "For what purpose" it's "For this purpose", which fits better with what you have.