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Rye
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Post by Rye »

Molyneux wrote:
Xeriar wrote: Well, these numbers come out of culturewanking. Their penises don't provide enough pleasure after circumcision so they conveniently multiply by ten again and again...

Of course, there is the minor point that there is no record of such slaves in Egypt anyway, but there -is- an Egyptian record of Israel existing in the 12th century B.C.E "All of Israel has been laid waste."

It's obvious, historically, where the Egypt-hate came from.

Against the twiddling you've mentioned, I dunno. It's best to be extremely short, and specify the Ur god and tell him it is not Egyptian. If you want to go further, bring out the entire ancient Hebrew pantheon and show its relation to the Greek, Babylonian, etc.
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"Hebrew pantheon"? Quoi?
Hebrews were an offshoot of the canaanite pantheon, check out all the references to the heavenly assembly in the OT, which was an Olympus of the semitic religions, atop mount Zaphon. It has God addressing the other gods in psalms (the ye are gods bit Jesus quotes), but from the POV of the writer, they were lesser divinities, they're referenced again in deuteronomy where El (the leader of the canaanite pantheon) divides up the tribes of the earth between the gods, and gives israel to YHVH.

Also, hebrews tended to worship Baal, which is why the bible complains about him so much, and sometimes Moloch. They also worshipped Asherah (consort of YHVH) till like 4th cent BCE.

Now, the the flood story, which was and is a common myth among cultures, is, AFAIK, considered to be taken from the Babylonians, when the jews were in captivity, iirc. They were around the libraries, they read or heard about the story, saw it's thematic power, and co-opted it. I'm not sure about other ones, though, and am extremely skeptical of the greek influence; mythology that's subsequent to another and shares some similar themes doesn't make those themes caused by the first mythology.
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There are few references to the Hebrew pantheon, especially in the Bible, but some notes...

El - the Father of the Gods. Elohim (lots of it in the Hebrew portions of the Bible) is a plural term basically meaning El and his children, though most translate it as 'gods'

Baal - Male fertility god, I think. Means 'Lord', probably related to Apollo-Helios, god of the Sun.

Anath - El's consort, IIRC, goddess of love and war (Athena, Anath...)

Asherah - Goddess of Fertility, consort to Yahweh (Yahweh and his Asherah). Aphrodite, Ishtar...

Dagon - God of vegitation?

Yahweh - God of the sky.

Somewhere between 600 B.C.E. and 400 B.C.E, the Levites took over and decided to make their culture a one-god culture, El-Yahweh. Their visages and deeds were merged and the rest were demonized. But there are still many hints of the older, polytheistic Hebrews.
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