"But I can't hit a Girl!"

[beyond hope]

This is a no-brainer. Get into her pants and hate-fuck her once or twice then come to an "understanding" where you branded her real good and she'll suck your dick in the back, no strings attached.

I was going to be good and refrain from commenting on this.

Anyways, with this kind of attitude I'm glad to know that no woman will ever let you near her and run the risk that you might sully the earth with your twisted progeny.

[Malecoda]

Yeah, you're right. It's better to beat on a woman if you have issues with her. Oh wait, these issues aren't with a woman, are they? They're with someone's pathetic ego. Who the hell would think it was okay to hit someone (male or female) for some disagreement that wasn't described as getting even nearly physical? Anyone who needs to ask that question may have been an abused child. Regardless of the cause, get therapy, before you drag someone else--like a female co-worker--into your sorry little mess.

[Antediluvian]

I never fight anyone unless they attack me first.

Needless to say, once I'm in a fight, I always take my opponent seriously, gender is not an issue.

Women are getting much tougher and more dangerous than they were in the past, and if one came swinging at me I wouldn't hold back.


I know if I ever fought any of the women I dated, they would put me in the hospital licktey-split, as all the women I dated are Amazons.

[InnerBrat]

I was refraining on reading this thread, but I did today, and noticed that no women had actually commented, so here I am to put forward one female perspective:

First of all, there is a difference between wanting to be treated equally on an intellectual and human rights perspective and wanting to be treated as if women are physically equal to men - there's a reason that women have their own saparate sproting events, and I wonder how many of you would pay money to see a male-female wrestling match...?

Which brings me to sport. OK, so a female wrestler could probably take any of you guys, and you would need to defend yourself with everything you had, but most women, if you hadn't noticed, aren't female wrestlers. Most women are weaker than most men. We're smaller, more lightly built and have a naturally higher fat to muscle ratio. This is biological, and no amount of gender relations is going to change this.
Many people have referred to sparring and martial arts, which, admittedly, may reduce the inequalities between male and female physical abilities, but your average woman is not trained in martial arts to the extent that they could fairly take on a man which no imbalance.

I can not think of a situation where violence against a woman is in any way justified, unless it is absolutely required for self defence, which is unlikely because a lot of men could keep a woman at bay.

One of my friends said once that if a woman came at him with a knife, the first thing he would do was to take the knife off her. Possible, you know, except maybe in the case of a female wrestler. The same friend once hit a woman after she hit him, and was so shocked by his own behaviour that he let himslef take the rest of the beatign she doled out, instead of merely restraining her at arms length.

There seems to be an atitude nowadays among women that it is OK for them to initiate fights with men. This, I believe, is a very dangerous attitude for a woman to have, as it will surely at one point end up getting herself in serious trouble. This isn't an excuse for you to be the man that teaches her that lesson, though.

I play fight with my female friends a lot, and sometimes we end up scarring each other with our nails, but that is playfighting, and with female-female, you know what you're getting into. My best friend's boyfreind recently decided he had the right to defend her - we were tickling each other, I have to point out - and he ended up holding both my hands in one of his, really hurting me, becuase he had no idea about the difference in strength between the two of us.
With my boyfriend, it is different, we often playwrestle in a fun, sexy way, and he always wins, becasue he's stronger than me (despite the fact that I do weight training, and his main form of exercise is me) and it's fine because I trust him, and he will stop the minute I stop enjoying it.

My point is, men and women are not equal physically, and you should never treat a woman as if she is.

[Antediluvian]

I'm the reverse, I used to wrestle with my last girlfriend and get pinned every time, because she was stronger, faster, and better skilled than me.

But like I said, I hung around Amazons that could beat male bodybuilders in armwrestling all the time.

[Lord Pounder]

I only ever hit one woman.

When i was a wee bit younger this bitch int he girl's school down the street tried to take a hand outta me. Why do women translate manors as stupidity. Anyway, she started getting a bit much and was getting to the point where even I couldn't ignore it any more. I looked her straight in thr eye and said "Fuck away off you nasty fucker, your lucky your not a girl." she lookd and me slapped me int he face and said "don't let that stop you, you gay cunt" so i kicked her in the face. then she spread it arround my school that i hit her coz she refused to "Suck me off". so you can't win either way.

[Rubberanvil]

I noticed nobody bother or thought of using a recorder when anybody is verbally assaulting them.

[Antediluvian]

I was refraining on reading this thread, but I did today, and noticed that no women had actually commented, so here I am to put forward one female perspective:

First of all, there is a difference between wanting to be treated equally on an intellectual and human rights perspective and wanting to be treated as if women are physically equal to men - there's a reason that women have their own saparate sproting events, and I wonder how many of you would pay money to see a male-female wrestling match...?

Which brings me to sport. OK, so a female wrestler could probably take any of you guys, and you would need to defend yourself with everything you had, but most women, if you hadn't noticed, aren't female wrestlers. Most women are weaker than most men. We're smaller, more lightly built and have a naturally higher fat to muscle ratio. This is biological, and no amount of gender relations is going to change this.
Many people have referred to sparring and martial arts, which, admittedly, may reduce the inequalities between male and female physical abilities, but your average woman is not trained in martial arts to the extent that they could fairly take on a man which no imbalance.

I can not think of a situation where violence against a woman is in any way justified, unless it is absolutely required for self defence, which is unlikely because a lot of men could keep a woman at bay.

One of my friends said once that if a woman came at him with a knife, the first thing he would do was to take the knife off her. Possible, you know, except maybe in the case of a female wrestler. The same friend once hit a woman after she hit him, and was so shocked by his own behaviour that he let himslef take the rest of the beatign she doled out, instead of merely restraining her at arms length.

There seems to be an atitude nowadays among women that it is OK for them to initiate fights with men. This, I believe, is a very dangerous attitude for a woman to have, as it will surely at one point end up getting herself in serious trouble. This isn't an excuse for you to be the man that teaches her that lesson, though.

I play fight with my female friends a lot, and sometimes we end up scarring each other with our nails, but that is playfighting, and with female-female, you know what you're getting into. My best friend's boyfreind recently decided he had the right to defend her - we were tickling each other, I have to point out - and he ended up holding both my hands in one of his, really hurting me, becuase he had no idea about the difference in strength between the two of us.
With my boyfriend, it is different, we often playwrestle in a fun, sexy way, and he always wins, becasue he's stronger than me (despite the fact that I do weight training, and his main form of exercise is me) and it's fine because I trust him, and he will stop the minute I stop enjoying it.

My point is, men and women are not equal physically, and you should never treat a woman as if she is.

I would pay to see a mixed match, and have in fact. (Also got to see some for free.)

And you kind of contradicted yourself at the end. First, you said most women were weaker than most men, and then you said that all women were weaker than men.

Which is it?

And your fellow women can be more dangerous than you give them credit for.

I'm not trying to be mean, just offering the lessons of my experience and some observations.

[InnerBrat]

Most. I meant you shouldn't make assumptions. Or even test them.

[Antediluvian]

Most. I meant you shouldn't make assumptions. Or even test them.

Okay. Wise policy.

[Sonnenburg]

I'm above average in height, weight, and strength for males. Ergo, most men are not the same as I am, physically; they're smaller and not as strong. As far as gender would be concerned, excluding all other factors, there wouldn't really be any difference between whether my attacker was a man or a woman. What is justified in my case then? Then factor in the fact that, when push comes to shove, I don't know shit about fighting that I haven't seen in the movies (make a fist, hit something with it). Or if I was attacked with a knife, I don't know the first thing about how to disarm a person. The first thought that would probably cross my mind is to hit the head enough to make the brain tell the hand to drop it. If that's not acceptable, would me being a small, wiry person make it so? And in the end, how much of the responsibility should fall back on the person who decided to initiate a mis-matched fight like this in the first place? While I don't like the thought of solving my problems with violence, if the alternative is having someone play show-and-tell with my spleen I think we're past the point of trying to solve the problem without using whatever force you have to bear, even if it may seem unfair.

Man in Black: I think the odds are slightly in your favor at hand fighting.
Fezzik: It's not my fault being the biggest and the strongest.

[Utsanomiko]

Alot of our preconceptions of women being weaker than men have to do with how each is raised in society. If women were encouraged to run around, smack eachother with sports equipment, and be over-sexed, victory-hungry athletes as much as men are (not me, I can barely relate to most 'guys' my age in Iowa), you'd have a hell of alot more strong women, and they'd all probably be stronger.

But we simply don't do that here. We want to sit around and pretend that we can be raised in almost totally different spheres of upbringing, and still be able to consider eachother equal, say that it all depends on the individual, and yet think to ourselves that we will always be culturally different, and release crap books that tell us we will never understand eachother.

[Edi]

I don't hit women, because I was taught it is wrong, and for the reasons Innerbrat said, but that usually means that if faced with a situation like that, I try to restrain, or I don't go full out (e.g. a shove or a slap will often do the trick). But if anyone comes at me with a knife or a club or something like that, I go in for the kill, full force, all the stops pulled out. Doesn't matter if they're smaller and weaker and if I can steamroller them at will, I will do it until such a time that the threat is no longer a fatal one. I won't start violence, but I will finish violence somebody else starts.

It's true that too many women regard it as their God-given right to get off without any retaliation when they start physical violence, simply for the reason that they are women, and I see nothing wrong with disabusing them of that notion by force, but I also maintain that reasonable force should be used, which often means that a mere weak slap is enough, nothing that would hurt. The mere knowledge that there will be consequences prevents them from trying to test that assumption and things won't go that far.

My sister won't hit me, because I will hit her right back, and I have given her a black eye in the past when she really asked for it. I think I was all of 14 at the time. The only time I remember having hit a woman when I was old enough to know better than a 12 year old kid was a few years ago in a nightclub, it was very crowded and I was going through a chokepoint, with a little break in the crowd, and some girl first rudely shoved past me and then on top of that turned and hit me to the back of the head quite hard for not having gotten out of her way (as if there was anywhere to go to make way in the first place other than past her). I turned and hit blindly (not very hard even) and sent her stumbling away and then her friends jumped all over me, screaming and yelling and throwing drinks in my face, but I told them I won't be hit like that without provocation. I probably wouldn't have done anything if I hadn't been already seriously pissed off by certain other events to begin with, but shit happens sometimes.

Edi