Joe Campbell on religion

SLAM: debunk creationism, pseudoscience, and superstitions. Discuss logic and morality.

Moderator: Alyrium Denryle

User avatar
Darth Wong
Sith Lord
Sith Lord
Posts: 70028
Joined: 2002-07-03 12:25am
Location: Toronto, Canada
Contact:

Re: GENERALLY

Post by Darth Wong »

ZAROVE wrote:I ge thrw feeling that ALL chrisians claim these things, from wongs post.
Because you're looking for excuses to accuse us of bigotry. Even when you admit there's nothing in the text to support your bullshit, you cite your own "feeling" as evidence of what I really intended. :roll:
In reality, many ATHEISTS are gui;lty of makign peopel into there own image as well.davinci had problems with the authorities witht he church, thus is atheist, I have hear d this before, therefore all atheists are irraitonal and force themselves onto historical persons.
Interesting attempt at logic: "some atheists are bad, Da Vinci had problems with church authorities, therefore all atheists are irrational". This is quite frankly so moronic it does not merit formal rebuttal, because anyone with the intelligence of a warthog or above can see through it.
Einstean never publicaly was called, nor complained of, beign called a Christian. Rather, it was in the statement of his overall Theism, when in fact he was neither atheist notr theist, but instead, as spinoza, was a panteheist.
Pantheist? That's pure bullshit. Einstein publicly complained about the "lies" people were telling about his belief system, and with that statement, you have joined the throng that he was complaining about. Thanks for proving my point.
As to hawking and Lincoln, no evedence.
More bullshit. Hawking has publicly stated that life after death makes no sense in his book "A Brief History of Time". Go read it. As for Lincoln, his own (Christian) wife admitted that he was not Christian. What more do you want?
Also, nice little Hitler jab, yeah Christians say he wasnt christian, and thats yet another lie christians had, its clear he was christian, he even said once " National Socialism and the Church cannot coexist peacefully, best to let the church die a natural death after "- sounds like he is a faithful christian to me.
Care to cite the source? Keep in mind that "Hitler's Table Talk" and "Voice of Destruction" have both been discredited because their authors were paid off by French and American propagandists.
(Incedentlaly, Hitler was not a christian, dispite his PUBLIC speeches, he was secretly opposed tot he faith.all in history.But atheists love to site hitler and sy " see told you christians where evil." hardly logical.)
Ah, so he was SECRETLY an anti-Christian even though he pandered to the Christians who dominated the Nazi party? Three points:

1) If it was a secret, how do you know about it?
2) Have you ever read Mein Kampf? Unlike the sources you're citing, it's not hearsay. It comes straight from the horse's mouth, long before he came into power. It also reveals all of his wartime plans in advance, including his "surprise" attack on Russia.
3) Even if your ridiculous fantasy were true, what does it say about that era of Christianity that Hitler's anti-Semitic movement publicly pandered to it?

This is nothing more than standard-issue apologist bullshit.
Image
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing

"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC

"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness

"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/RantMode/Blurbs.html
User avatar
LordShaithis
Redshirt
Posts: 3179
Joined: 2002-07-08 11:02am
Location: Michigan

Post by LordShaithis »

I love it. Hitler writes a book and says "I'm a Christian!" in absolutely unequivocal terms, and Christians spend the next half-dozen decades trying to tell us what he "really" meant. LOL.
If Religion and Politics were characters on a soap opera, Religion would be the one that goes insane with jealousy over Politics' intimate relationship with Reality, and secretly murder Politics in the night, skin the corpse, and run around its apartment wearing the skin like a cape shouting "My votes now! All votes for me! Wheeee!" -- Lagmonster
User avatar
Temjin
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 1567
Joined: 2002-08-04 07:12pm
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

Post by Temjin »

GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:I love it. Hitler writes a book and says "I'm a Christian!" in absolutely unequivocal terms, and Christians spend the next half-dozen decades trying to tell us what he "really" meant. LOL.
Of course. If you kill you obviously can't be Christian.:)

Oh, by the way, did I mention that the people who started the Crusades weren't Christian either?

:)
"A mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open."
-Sir James Dewar

Life should have a soundtrack.
User avatar
neoolong
Dead Sexy 'Shroom
Posts: 13180
Joined: 2002-08-29 10:01pm
Location: California

Post by neoolong »

GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:I love it. Hitler writes a book and says "I'm a Christian!" in absolutely unequivocal terms, and Christians spend the next half-dozen decades trying to tell us what he "really" meant. LOL.
Didn't they do that with another book? What was it called? Oh yeah, the Bible.
Member of the BotM. @( !.! )@
ZAROVE
Redshirt
Posts: 18
Joined: 2002-12-15 08:22pm

PANAGRAPPA

Post by ZAROVE »

Einstein saw the Universe as diety, by definition that is pantheism.

Lincolns wife said he did not belng to a chiurch, that does not mean he was not christian. I am christian, I beling to no church. Also, even if he wherent christian that woudl NOT make him atheist, yes my pathetic attempts at logic will be ridiculed, but there more accurate than your beratementds and telling me to " go read the Bible" instead of offering versus yourself.
Or to " go read a breif history of time"- intersting I didnt mention hawking, yet was bsed for it... logic is always served.

As to Hitler, he himself made several changes to everything.

Hitler was nothign but a sociopathic buly, I knoe a guy named Vinnie who internet stalks me and claims to be christian, yet uses harsh words and lies, quiet frankly anyone can claim anything, the philosophy must be served however if it is to be true. Sociopaths arent christians, any more than they are pacifists. Hitler also claimed ot want peace. Th words of a liar are hardly impressive.

Nor is the mockery at ny expence. It shows immaturity as you use the word " logic" as a sheild to your own scapemeathod to use to critisise another, and use cheap shots to mke yourselves appear tough in light of a clear abcence of a good argument.
User avatar
Hendrake
Padawan Learner
Posts: 288
Joined: 2002-07-04 12:58pm
Location: The Courts of Chaos

Re: PANAGRAPPA

Post by Hendrake »

ZAROVE wrote:Or to " go read a breif history of time"- intersting I didnt mention hawking, yet was bsed for it... logic is always served.
You did. You said: "As to hawking and Lincoln, no evedence."

And you are a lying little shit.
ZAROVE wrote:Hitler was nothign but a sociopathic buly, I knoe a guy named Vinnie who internet stalks me and claims to be christian, yet uses harsh words and lies, quiet frankly anyone can claim anything, the philosophy must be served however if it is to be true. Sociopaths arent christians, any more than they are pacifists. Hitler also claimed ot want peace. Th words of a liar are hardly impressive.
Yet, you have lied about your claims that you have not mentioned Hawking. Your words are not impressive, liar. And neither are you.

Have a nice day.
"It appears that our minds will never meet on this subject."
"If someone asks you why you're oppressing a world and you reply with a lot of poetic crap, no." - Lord of Light, Roger Zelazny
User avatar
Darth Wong
Sith Lord
Sith Lord
Posts: 70028
Joined: 2002-07-03 12:25am
Location: Toronto, Canada
Contact:

Re: PANAGRAPPA

Post by Darth Wong »

ZAROVE wrote:Einstein saw the Universe as diety, by definition that is pantheism.
Pantheism is also defined as worship of multiple distinct gods. Whether Einstein was a deist or the "universe is God" definition of pantheist is up for debate. Whether he believed in sentient, distinct deities, on the other hand, is not. Therefore, the point stands about him being misrepresented.
Lincolns wife said he did not belng to a chiurch, that does not mean he was not christian.
No, but the fact that he said "The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession" and "My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them." could just possibly lead one to question the strength of his Christian faith, right? :roll:
I am christian, I beling to no church. Also, even if he wherent christian that woudl NOT make him atheist, yes my pathetic attempts at logic will be ridiculed, but there more accurate than your beratementds and telling me to " go read the Bible" instead of offering versus yourself.
I offer shitloads of Bible verses regarding immorality, you idiot; if you're too lazy to read my website (this website), that's your problem.
Or to " go read a breif history of time"- intersting I didnt mention hawking, yet was bsed for it... logic is always served.
Stop lying. Everyone can see where you said there was no evidence for Hawking's religion.
As to Hitler, he himself made several changes to everything.

Hitler was nothign but a sociopathic buly, I knoe a guy named Vinnie who internet stalks me and claims to be christian, yet uses harsh words and lies, quiet frankly anyone can claim anything, the philosophy must be served however if it is to be true. Sociopaths arent christians, any more than they are pacifists.
Yes, this is the classic "Christians are morally superior" bigoted circular logic carousel: "Christians are always good, therefore if someone is bad, he was not Christian ... therefore Christians are always good". I've heard it before.
Hitler also claimed ot want peace. Th words of a liar are hardly impressive.
Actually, Mein Kampf was quite truthful as to the state of Hitler's mind, and foretold all of his actions in WW2. Hitler may have been a sociopath, but your pathetic attempt to elevate unsubstantiated hearsay above "Mein Kampf" as the primary source for Hitler's own state of mind is simply laughable.
Nor is the mockery at ny expence. It shows immaturity as you use the word " logic" as a sheild to your own scapemeathod to use to critisise another, and use cheap shots to mke yourselves appear tough in light of a clear abcence of a good argument.
Nice grandstanding. Too bad the only person befouling logic and distorting the facts is you. You've been caught in lies, you've misrepresented the religions of other men, and you simply tell yourself you're winning when you aren't.
Image
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing

"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC

"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness

"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/RantMode/Blurbs.html
Post Reply