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Lisa wrote:It's been a while since I picked up a bible, but isn't there a section where christ admonishes his dicples for harrassing a woman who was eating unlcean food?
Don't remember Christ admonishing someone for that, however, in another instance, Jesus was confronted about a woman caught in adultery:
The Bible wrote:John 8

1But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"

11"No one, sir," she said.
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."


Then there is what Paul said about those who are weak in their faith:
The Bible wrote:Romans 14

1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.
John 3:16-18
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Lisa wrote:It's been a while since I picked up a bible, but isn't there a section where christ admonishes his dicples for harrassing a woman who was eating unlcean food?
Jesus did quite a bit of admonishing in the Bible. If you read the New Testament, you come away with the overwhelming impression that almost all of his criticism was reserved not for the pagan heathens, but for his fellow believers, such as the Pharisees who he considered to be flaming hypocrites.

Many of his criticisms were interesting because they did not really have a Scriptural basis at the time. Of course, they were made into Scripture so that sounds odd to say now, but at the time he supposedly said them, many of his comments had no Scriptural basis at all, and he mostly appealed to a generalized ideal of how people should treat each other. I say this is "interesting" because it's the same thing non-believers often do now to believers, only to have Scripture thrown back at them.
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Lisa wrote:It's been a while since I picked up a bible, but isn't there a section where christ admonishes his dicples for harrassing a woman who was eating unlcean food?
I think you're thinking of when Jesus admonishes the Pharisees(?) who were harassing him for letting his discipes eat without first properly washing their hands. And for threshing heads of wheat in their hands on the sabbath. Sorry, but I'm too lazy to look up the specific verses.
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