Ben Stein to star in ID "movie"

[Temjin]

Some of the greatest scientists of all time, including Galileo, Newton, Einstein, operated under the hypothesis that their work was to understand the principles and phenomena as designed by a creator.

Besides a massive appeal to authority, what I want to know is how these three have anything to do with the ID argument.

Galileo: Physicist, mathematician, astronomer, and philosopher. Died over 150 years before Darwin was even born. Of course he was a bloody creationist.

Newton: English physicist, mathematician, astronomer, natural philosopher, and alchemist. Died 81 years before Darwin was born. The study of biology was in it's infancy. The earliest theories of Germ theory weren't even mention until a hundred years after his death.

Einstein: Theoretical physicist. Although he is regarded as one of the smartest man to have ever lived, his work has nothing to do with the study of biology. And let's face it, his concept of god had little to do with the Christian concept.

[Patrick Degan]

Einstein: Theoretical physicist. Although he is regarded as one of the smartest man to have ever lived, his work has nothing to do with the study of biology. And let's face it, his concept of god had little to do with the Christian concept.

Let's face it, Einstein was an atheist in all but name, and he'd never have had anything to do with the IDiocy that is ID, no matter how much Ben Stein blows out his ass to the contrary.

[Darth Servo]

"Win Ben Stein's Money" showed the man was knowledgeable. Literally, the man knew a lot.

That doesn't mean he's especially intelligent or good at thinking rationally.

I'm here-by defining what Stein is doing/has become the "Holiday Inn Express" effect.

[Oddysseus]

What is kind of fun in this is that this movie seems to point towards.

CREATIONISM = INTELLIGENT DESIGN

Which is what all those ID advocates have been working to deny and switch to having valid scientific support. This movie is a thorn in the side of a number of ID'ers and their agendas.


Nixon aide -> Minor Actor -> Game show host -> ID advocate/Science Opponent.

What is the trajectory here?

And I can't believe they felt the need to lie to all of those <i>real</i> scientist to get them on the record...to distort. Many of them would have been willing to open and honestly talk and debate.

[Darth Wong]

Funny how the conservatives think that actors are not qualified to express opinions on politics (like, say, the War in Iraq), but they are completely qualified to discuss science. Where is Bill O'Reilly to rant about celebrities abusing their status to spout uninformed personal opinions? Oh yeah, he thinks these celebrities are right. Based on his celebrity opinion.

[Adrian Laguna]

In today’s world, at least in America, an Einstein or a Newton or a Galileo would probably not be allowed to receive grants to study or to publish his research.

Is there really a need to point out that by opposing the geocentric view of the Universe, Galileo was forced to recant his heliocentric theories by the church because said theory opposed Scripture, and he spent the rest of his life under house arrest?

That happened more because Galileo was a pompous ass who spit in the eye of the Pope and refused to apologize for the insult when given the chance to do so. It was then that the Pope went and sicked his goons on him, as well as attacked his heliocentric theory.

Still, someone who was prosecuted and threatened* with torture because of a theological and scientific dispute with the Church is not a good example of a "Godly" scientist.

*The system of the time required separate authorizations for threat of torture and actual torture. For Galileo's trial, only threats were authorized.

[Darth Wong]

I would love to know if Ben Stein can show me where God is mentioned in any of Newton's laws of motion. Perhaps he's seen a version that I have not. For example, maybe Ben Stein's version of Newton's laws says that "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction ... multiplied by the square root of God's love".

[SpacedTeddyBear]

I would love to know if Ben Stein can show me where God is mentioned in any of Newton's laws of motion. Perhaps he's seen a version that I have not. For example, maybe Ben Stein's version of Newton's laws says that "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction ... multiplied by the square root of God's love".

I had left a comment a few days back that asked almost exactly that. Here's the jist of it:

If F=dp/dt = m(dv/dt) + v(dm/dt) + ' Intelligent Designer'
'assuming constant mass *m*'
F= m(dv/dt) + ' Intelligent Designer'
= ma + 'Intelligent Designer'.

What does the 'Intelligent Designer' coefficient do to make good ol' Newton's 2nd law more accurate?