Religion founders, are they really religious?

[ray245]

From a non-religious point of view, that means using religion purely as a form of public support, doesn't that mean the religion founder (AKA a poltician) can be an atheist?

After all, they could just make up the religion as they go along, grabbing any events that the public may know and 'transform' it into act of god.

Like Jesus cruxficiation being used by jesus followers to say he is the son of god or etc, when in real life, he is just a simple politicial leader.

Although some religion leaders are tecnically atheist, like Buhhda for example, he has repeatly states that he isn't a god, just a enlightened human being.


By the way, what is the label for people who believe in afterlife, but not god or gods?

[Androsphinx]

From a non-religious point of view, that means using religion purely as a form of public support, doesn't that mean the religion founder (AKA a poltician) can be an atheist?

After all, they could just make up the religion as they go along, grabbing any events that the public may know and 'transform' it into act of god.

You've heard of a guy called L Ron Hubbard, right? Mr "the best way to get rich in America is to start a religion"?

[SAMAS]

I guess it would depend on the religion/sect. Some founders may have actually believed their own words, others, not. I guess you would have to look at their own private actions and words to be sure.

[General Zod]

From a non-religious point of view, that means using religion purely as a form of public support, doesn't that mean the religion founder (AKA a poltician) can be an atheist?

Who gives a shit? They're either crackpots, liars, or both. It doesn't matter if they're atheist or not.

By the way, what is the label for people who believe in afterlife, but not god or gods?

"Delusional".

[Molyneux]

By the way, what is the label for people who believe in afterlife, but not god or gods?

"Delusional".

Would "Delusional atheist" be more precise?

[General Zod]

Would "Delusional atheist" be more precise?

I don't see how. What the fuck is that even supposed to mean?

[Rye]

Would "Delusional atheist" be more precise?

I don't see how. What the fuck is that even supposed to mean?

That they're atheists that are delusional about something? Seems pretty self explanatory to me. I'd just say "they're nontheistic but believe in an afterlife."

[General Zod]

That they're atheists that are delusional about something? Seems pretty self explanatory to me. I'd just say "they're nontheistic but believe in an afterlife."

It's completely superfluous. "Delusional" works just fine unless Molyneux was trying to take some type of retarded jab at atheism.

[Covenant]

The idea of an afterlife is generally a theistic response. So someone would only be 'delusional' and not a 'delusional athiest'.

In the case of someone who believes in an afterlife of a different sort, such as getting unplugged from a giant Matrix computer, or becoming an ascended energy being, I think would be considered just 'delusional' the same.

[General Zod]

The idea of an afterlife is generally a theistic response. So someone would only be 'delusional' and not a 'delusional athiest'.

In the case of someone who believes in an afterlife of a different sort, such as getting unplugged from a giant Matrix computer, or becoming an ascended energy being, I think would be considered just 'delusional' the same.

Besides which, it would be like considering a Pagan delusional for worshipping a goddess, then considering a Christian delusional for belief in the Trinity but somehow having a need to distinguish them by saying "Delusional Christian" or "Delusional Pagan". It's totally nonsensical.

[Lord of the Abyss]

By the way, what is the label for people who believe in afterlife, but not god or gods?

"Follower of a nontheistic religion", I guess. It may be common, but a religion doesn't necessarily have to have gods in it.

[Molyneux]

That they're atheists that are delusional about something? Seems pretty self explanatory to me. I'd just say "they're nontheistic but believe in an afterlife."

It's completely superfluous. "Delusional" works just fine unless Molyneux was trying to take some type of retarded jab at atheism.

You can easily be delusional without believing in an afterlife, or while believing in a deity. It is imprecise.

"Delusional, but not a theist" works just as well, and both terms work better than just saying "delusional".

[General Zod]

You can easily be delusional without believing in an afterlife, or while believing in a deity. It is imprecise.

"Delusional, but not a theist" works just as well, and both terms work better than just saying "delusional".

It's a completely unnecessary term. Why the fuck do you have to make a distinction between types of delusion in the first place? For that matter, what is it about just "delusional" that makes it imprecise besides you saying so? In both cases they believe in something that isn't real. It doesn't really matter whether their psychosis is religious in nature or not to meet the definition of someone who's delusional.

[ray245]

You can easily be delusional without believing in an afterlife, or while believing in a deity. It is imprecise.

"Delusional, but not a theist" works just as well, and both terms work better than just saying "delusional".

It's a completely unnecessary term. Why the fuck do you have to make a distinction between types of delusion in the first place? For that matter, what is it about just "delusional" that makes it imprecise besides you saying so? In both cases they believe in something that isn't real. It doesn't really matter whether their psychosis is religious in nature or not to meet the definition of someone who's delusional.

So from the arguments I've senn...there is no offical term then?

[General Zod]

So from the arguments I've senn...there is no offical term then?

Effectively? No. "Delusional" is sufficient.