Yesterday the fundies struck again...

Boba Fett · Post by **Boba Fett** » 2003-01-22 04:49am

Yesterday evening I was home and watched the TV.

One of the channels played Ben Hur, starring Charlton Heston.

I was really happy because last time I saw this movie, I was about 10.

I enjoyed the sea battle, the coach race but at the end when Ben Hur searching for his mother and sister the movie turned into a disguised fundie movie.

When in the movie the Romans crucifise Jesus, Ben Hur's mother and sister are suddenly healed from their half rotten, lepered state and a strange "light" shines on Ben Hur's face from the crucified body of Jesus.

On the other hand it was a good movie till that part...

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2003-01-22 06:41am

How does having Christian elements in a movie make it fundamentalist?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-01-22 06:44am

"Struck again", not "striked".

Boba Fett · Post by **Boba Fett** » 2003-01-22 07:11am

Admiral Valdemar wrote:"Struck again", not "striked".

Sorry for my bad english, it's not my original language.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-01-22 07:14am

Boba Fett wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:"Struck again", not "striked".
Sorry for my bad english, it's not my original language.

Ah, no worries. It's good to see foreign language speakers using English, I must say I envy being able to speak practically fluently in more than one language, my German and French is somewhat lacking now.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-01-22 07:15am

Jim Raynor wrote:How does having Christian elements in a movie make it fundamentalist?

Well, to be technical, the elements are fundamentally Christian.

But seriously, it seems that "fundie" has become common to simply describe "stupid Christian shit", and not necessarily "fundamentalism" as it is used politically.
Few sane people would say that Jesus-light making lepers healthy isn't stupid Christian shit.

This is not to say that any movie that has Christian themes is "fundie" or even "shit." In fact, even a lot of great movies are chock full of Christian shit of the stupidest kind. As Boba notes, Ben-Hur is a good movie. So is The Last Temptation of Christ. So is Dogma. And then there are countless movies that draw on Christian themes without specifically endorsing or crediting the Bible or its events (Jesus' hero's journey is an especially strong theme).
This is because the Bible, for the most part, is good mythology. It only becomes objectionable when it's taken seriously.

Boba Fett · Post by **Boba Fett** » 2003-01-22 07:15am

Jim Raynor wrote:How does having Christian elements in a movie make it fundamentalist?

For me it was quite fundie...

Tried to convince me that for all the suffering the Hur family went through, God has gave them health by miracle as a countervalue...

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-01-22 07:16am

Admiral Valdemar wrote:Ah, no worries. It's good to see foreign language speakers using English, I must say I envy being able to speak practically fluently in more than one language, my German and French is somewhat lacking now.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Your German and French are somewhat lacking now.

Boba Fett · Post by **Boba Fett** » 2003-01-22 07:18am

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Boba Fett wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:"Struck again", not "striked".
Sorry for my bad english, it's not my original language.
Ah, no worries. It's good to see foreign language speakers using English, I must say I envy being able to speak practically fluently in more than one language, my German and French is somewhat lacking now.

Try to learn my language (hungarian) it's one of the most difficult languages in the world....

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-22 07:23am

Few sane people would say that Jesus-light making lepers healthy

Yeah! It would have to be one Hellava Flash-Light....

Boba Fett · Post by **Boba Fett** » 2003-01-22 07:25am

Robert Treder wrote:
Jim Raynor wrote:How does having Christian elements in a movie make it fundamentalist?
Well, to be technical, the elements are fundamentally Christian.

But seriously, it seems that "fundie" has become common to simply describe "stupid Christian shit", and not necessarily "fundamentalism" as it is used politically.
Few sane people would say that Jesus-light making lepers healthy isn't stupid Christian shit.

This is not to say that any movie that has Christian themes is "fundie" or even "shit." In fact, even a lot of great movies are chock full of Christian shit of the stupidest kind. As Boba notes, Ben-Hur is a good movie. So is The Last Temptation of Christ. So is Dogma. And then there are countless movies that draw on Christian themes without specifically endorsing or crediting the Bible or its events (Jesus' hero's journey is an especially strong theme).
This is because the Bible, for the most part, is good mythology. It only becomes objectionable when it's taken seriously.

Yes and there're several other good movies from that age.

I don't have any problem with the presence of Christian elements in the movies.
My problem is the "miracle".

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-01-22 07:26am

Robert Treder wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:Ah, no worries. It's good to see foreign language speakers using English, I must say I envy being able to speak practically fluently in more than one language, my German and French is somewhat lacking now.
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Your German and French are somewhat lacking now.

ROFL! As a two year+ student of English Language studies you cannot imagine how red my face is now.

And I'm the one that usually points out that error.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-01-22 11:21am

Robert Treder wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:Ah, no worries. It's good to see foreign language speakers using English, I must say I envy being able to speak practically fluently in more than one language, my German and French is somewhat lacking now.
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Your German and French are somewhat lacking now.

I'm glad someone pointed that out. I was starting to doubt myself and go through that one over and over in my head.

Now what was that rule....?

Lord_Xerxes · Post by **Lord_Xerxes** » 2003-01-22 03:50pm

Actually, is is correct in that use as opposed to are.

Remember, English Gramar states that both items have to be able to make sense without the other one. English IS lacking. German IS lacking makes sense. English ARE lacking and German ARE lacking do not.

Unless of course, you're using the word skills as an understood in that sentence. And then the are is appropriate.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-01-22 04:13pm

Lord_Xerxes wrote:Actually, is is correct in that use as opposed to are.

Remember, English Gramar states that both items have to be able to make sense without the other one. English IS lacking. German IS lacking makes sense. English ARE lacking and German ARE lacking do not.

Unless of course, you're using the word skills as an understood in that sentence. And then the are is appropriate.

Yeah, English can b a bit retarded at times, but it is otherwise simpler and better at communicating then any other language.

There are one or two things that are unacceptable in society in English yet are not against the rules and used in foreign languages e.g. double positives.