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The Consequences of Sperm Donation

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Aren't unintended consequences fun? From the The New York Times
Cynthia Daily and her partner used a sperm donor to conceive a baby seven years ago, and they hoped that one day their son would get to know some of his half siblings — an extended family of sorts for modern times.

So Ms. Daily searched a Web-based registry for other children fathered by the same donor and helped to create an online group to track them. Over the years, she watched the number of children in her son’s group grow.

And grow.

Today there are 150 children, all conceived with sperm from one donor, in this group of half siblings, and more are on the way. “It’s wild when we see them all together — they all look alike,” said Ms. Daily, 48, a social worker in the Washington area who sometimes vacations with other families in her son’s group.

As more women choose to have babies on their own, and the number of children born through artificial insemination increases, outsize groups of donor siblings are starting to appear. While Ms. Daily’s group is among the largest, many others comprising 50 or more half siblings are cropping up on Web sites and in chat groups, where sperm donors are tagged with unique identifying numbers.

Now, there is growing concern among parents, donors and medical experts about potential negative consequences of having so many children fathered by the same donors, including the possibility that genes for rare diseases could be spread more widely through the population. Some experts are even calling attention to the increased odds of accidental incest between half sisters and half brothers, who often live close to one another.

“My daughter knows her donor’s number for this very reason,” said the mother of a teenager conceived via sperm donation in California who asked that her name be withheld to protect her daughter’s privacy. “She’s been in school with numerous kids who were born through donors. She’s had crushes on boys who are donor children. It’s become part of sex education” for her.

Critics say that fertility clinics and sperm banks are earning huge profits by allowing too many children to be conceived with sperm from popular donors, and that families should be given more information on the health of donors and the children conceived with their sperm. They are also calling for legal limits on the number of children conceived using the same donor’s sperm and a re-examination of the anonymity that cloaks many donors.

“We have more rules that go into place when you buy a used car than when you buy sperm,” said Debora L. Spar, president of Barnard College and author of “The Baby Business: How Money, Science and Politics Drive the Commerce of Conception.” “It’s very clear that the dealer can’t sell you a lemon, and there’s information about the history of the car. There are no such rules in the fertility industry right now.”

Although other countries, including Britain, France and Sweden, limit how many children a sperm donor can father, there is no such limit in the United States. There are only guidelines issued by the American Society for Reproductive Medicine, a professional group that recommends restricting conceptions by individual donors to 25 births per population of 800,000.

No one knows how many children are born in this country each year using sperm donors. Some estimates put the number at 30,000 to 60,000, perhaps more. Mothers of donor children are asked to report a child’s birth to the sperm bank voluntarily, but just 20 to 40 percent of them do so, said Wendy Kramer, founder of the Donor Sibling Registry.

Because of this dearth of records, many families turn to the registry’s Web site, donorsiblingregistry.com, for information about a child’s half brothers or half sisters.

Ms. Kramer, who had her son, Ryan, through a sperm donor, started the registry in 2000 to help connect so-called donor families. On the Web site, parents can register the birth of a child and find half siblings by looking up a number assigned to a sperm donor. Many parents, she said, are shocked to learn just how many half siblings a child has.

“They think their daughter may have a few siblings,” Ms. Kramer said, “but then they go on our site and find out their daughter actually has 18 brothers and sisters. They’re freaked out. I’m amazed that these groups keep growing and growing.”

Ms. Kramer said that some sperm banks in the United States have treated donor families unethically and that it is time to consider new legislation.

“Just as it’s happened in many other countries around the world,” Ms. Kramer said, “we need to publicly ask the questions ‘What is in the best interests of the child to be born?’ and ‘Is it fair to bring a child into the world who will have no access to knowing about one half of their genetics, medical history and ancestry?’

“These sperm banks are keeping donors anonymous, making women babies and making a lot of money. But nowhere in that formula is doing what’s right for the donor families.”

Many of those questions were debated in Britain shortly after the birth there, in 1978, of Louise Brown, the first baby born using in vitro fertilization. In 1982, the British government appointed a committee, led by Mary Warnock, a well-known English philosopher, to look into the issues surrounding reproductive health.

The groundbreaking Warnock Report contained a list of recommendations, including regulation of the sale of human sperm and embryos and strict limits on how many children a donor could father (10 per donor). The regulations have become a model for industry practices in other countries.

“It is quite unpredictable what the ultimate effect on the gene pool of a society might be if donors were permitted to donate as many times as they chose,” Baroness Warnock wrote recently in an e-mail.

Without limits, the same donor could theoretically produce hundreds of related children. And it is even possible that accidental incest could occur among hundreds of half siblings, said Naomi R. Cahn, a law professor at George Washington University and the author of “Test Tube Families: Why the Fertility Markets Need Legal Regulation.”

Sperm donors, too, are becoming concerned. “When I asked specifically how many children might result, I was told nobody knows for sure but that five would be a safe estimate,” said a sperm donor in Texas who asked that his name be withheld because of privacy concerns. “I was told that it would be very rare for a donor to have more than 10 children.”

He later discovered in the Donor Sibling Registry that some donors had dozens of children listed. “It was all about whatever they could get away with,” he said of the sperm bank to which he donated. “It is unfair and reprehensible to the donor families, donors and donor children.”

Ms. Kramer, the registry’s founder, said that one sperm donor on her site learned that he had 70 children. He now keeps track of them all on an Excel spreadsheet. “Every once in a while he gets a new kid or twins,” she said. “It’s overwhelming, and not what he signed up for. He was promised low numbers of children.”

The fertility industry has long resisted regulation, but the explosion of related half siblings may change that. Dr. Robert G. Brzyski, chairman of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine ethics committee, had been skeptical that there could be donors with more than 100 children. But now, he said, it is time to take another look at donor limits.

“In the past, when decisions were made about how many children should be attributed to a donor, it was based on estimates of the risk of unintended consanguinity between brothers and sisters who could meet and marry,” Dr. Brzyski said. “I think those models were very limited in their vision when they were created. Now I think there needs to be a reassessment of the criteria and the policies regarding the appropriate number of offspring.”

Because there is so much secrecy surrounding sperm and egg donations, Ms. Kramer said, it has been difficult for families of children born via sperm donation to step forward with their concerns. Some heterosexual couples never tell a child that he or she is the product of a sperm donation.

Ms. Daily, the Washington social worker, said that other parents in her son’s group had been secretive because of fears that their children would be stigmatized. She and other donor parents are coming forward, she said, because they “need to start advocating for some regulation.”

Experts are not certain what it means to a child to discover that he or she is but one of 50 children — or even more. “Experts don’t talk about this when they counsel people dealing with infertility,” Ms. Kramer said. “How do you make connections with so many siblings? What does family mean to these children?”
Main points to think about/discuss:

- possible accidental incest
- "popular sire effect" for good or ill in human populations
- promises to donors of anonymity
- right of children to know their genetics
- misleading donors and recipients about number of possible siblings
- regulation of human reproduction
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I don't think there should be any real question that regulation is required, unless we're inundated with Tea Party lunatics. Yes, it's regulation of human reproduction, but it's not as if police officers will be watching people have sex in their bedrooms. Sperm donation is a commercial and medical activity, and therefore well within the jurisdiction of the authorities.
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Don't clincs that offer sperm donations already test the potential donors?
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You'd probably have problems trying to test for every genetic disease- the problem would become prohibitive fairly quickly.
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Darth Wong wrote:I don't think there should be any real question that regulation is required, unless we're inundated with Tea Party lunatics. Yes, it's regulation of human reproduction, but it's not as if police officers will be watching people have sex in their bedrooms. Sperm donation is a commercial and medical activity, and therefore well within the jurisdiction of the authorities.
For the sake of completeness, I would add that if one donor is being selected multiple times due to desirable traits -- such as a lack of negative genetic factors, or a belief that some positive trait (such as intelligence) is transmissible, then a large number of children from one donor is not inherently negative.
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I'm not sure why a donor would care about how many kids their sperm resulted in. Your children are the ones you raised, not the ones you happen to be genetically related to. (Note: Not excusing absentee fathers, which are a different issue.) You're dealing with people who specifically don't want a father involved, or have one already with fertility problems. Why would they care? They (the parents) don't want you (the donor), just your genetic payload. I'm baffled.

I can understand medical and accidental incest concerns.
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Ahriman238 wrote:Don't clincs that offer sperm donations already test the potential donors?
Yes, donors are tested for obvious and common issues, both genetic and STD's like HIV. However, while testing the donors isn't that difficult, there isn't a test for every possible recessive gene and I don't think sperm can be tested directly, so some things very well might slip by.
Simon_Jester wrote:You'd probably have problems trying to test for every genetic disease- the problem would become prohibitive fairly quickly.
^ This.

Also, some traits are so rare that it's extremely unlikely any offspring would meet up with another carrier... unless, of course, some individual who was a carrier had an inordinate number of descendants living in close proximity.
lazerus wrote:For the sake of completeness, I would add that if one donor is being selected multiple times due to desirable traits -- such as a lack of negative genetic factors, or a belief that some positive trait (such as intelligence) is transmissible, then a large number of children from one donor is not inherently negative.
Not inherently, no, but since we can't test for every possible negative there is the possibility of finding out 10 or 20 or 30 years later – whoops! – this really great-seeming donor actually was a carrier for X and now X is lot more common in a particular area because of how many kids he had.

This sort of “popular sire” effect has cropped in the FLDS with fumarase deficientcy. Until 1990, there had only been 13 documented cases ever. Since, then, the FLDS has produced 20 children with the disorder. The Amish have a higher than normal incidence of several metabolic disorders due to a restricted number of founding families (the so-called “founder effect). And then there are the examples of the “Hapsburg chin” and hemophilia as a “royal disease". And so on and so forth for any genetically isolated group of human beings. This sort of side effect of reduced human diversity is not theoretical, it really does occur whether due to a small population isolated on an island or people within a larger nation isolated by custom/religion/whatever.

Of course, just one sperm donor having 150 offspring in a country the size of the US isn't going to fuck up the overall population. Statistically, even if a few of those half-siblings marry (presumably in igornance) and have children those children are unlikely to suffer (though the risk does go up). The problem is when each generation is sired by a very limited number of men. Over time, restricting genetic diversity causes a rise in problems.

Now, a major difference between us, now, and say, the 200 or so people who founded the Amish in North America is that we now know more. We have a much more concrete grasp of the actual risks, and can even test for many disorders and limit potential future damage. The problem is that, as of right now, this is NOT being done. At least not in the US.

You either need a lot of different fathers, each fathering a limited number of children, or you need really, really thorough screening if you're only using a few men to father hundreds of children each or you will have problems down the line.
Darmalus wrote:I'm not sure why a donor would care about how many kids their sperm resulted in.
Just “because” is good enough for me – informed consent is just as valid a concenpt for sperm donors as anyone else. If a man only wants to donate for four children rather than forty that's his prerogative, that's what he wants to consent to do. A lot of donors might not give a damn, but some do and I really don't see a “why” being relevant here. Maybe he's worried about potential for incest if there are a lot of half-siblings. Maybe it just squicks him out to think there might be three dozen of his genetic offspring out there. Whatever.
You're dealing with people who specifically don't want a father involved, or have one already with fertility problems. Why would they care? They (the parents) don't want you (the donor), just your genetic payload. I'm baffled.
The issue I seem to see most frequently is the potential for accidental incest – if there are only 3-4 kids from each donor the likelihood of that happening accidentally is pretty damn small. If there are 150 kids from one donor, all living in one area, going to the same school, the odds increase substantially. Remember, not everyone tells their kids they're the result of sperm donation even today.

The other thing is, if it turns out that a donor does have a rare recessive gene that causes problems it's far more likely to cause trouble if that donor had 100 descendants than if he had only 3-4. Some stuff that is almost never seen due to a low frequency of the allele would be much more serious if there were more carriers in the population.
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Who the fuck is this 150 offspring dude, he's hogging future generations! How's an honest guy supposed to compete with that :wtf:

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Become a sperm donor?
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Broomstick wrote:
Ahriman238 wrote:Don't clincs that offer sperm donations already test the potential donors?
Yes, donors are tested for obvious and common issues, both genetic and STD's like HIV. However, while testing the donors isn't that difficult, there isn't a test for every possible recessive gene and I don't think sperm can be tested directly, so some things very well might slip by.
Simon_Jester wrote:You'd probably have problems trying to test for every genetic disease- the problem would become prohibitive fairly quickly.
^ This.

Also, some traits are so rare that it's extremely unlikely any offspring would meet up with another carrier... unless, of course, some individual who was a carrier had an inordinate number of descendants living in close proximity.
One of the bigger problems is, many traits aren't just controlled by a single allele or gene. I don't know of any diseases in this category off-hand, but for such situations you'd have to check multiple genes at once.
Themightytom wrote:Who the fuck is this 150 offspring dude, he's hogging future generations! How's an honest guy supposed to compete with that :wtf:
Broomstick wrote:Become a sperm donor?
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It occurs to me a way to control this without going in with jackboots on would be to have a regulation that any sperm used more than 6 times (for example) has to be extensively tested for inheritable defects. Either the checks will be done reducing the chance of genetic defects, or the company just wont use the sperm after 6, reducing the chance of genetic defects.

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or just do the british method which is: no more then 10 children per sperm donor.

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First, I am touched by the groundswell of support that is evident here for perpetuating my genes. I mean I know I have a lot to offer future generations, but I didn't realize so many other people knew it too. it's like you guys can just sense the potential I represent having just exchanged a few words with me here and there... this cannot be ignored. If others sense such greatness within me than I Must Not Disappoint.

Unfortunately, to become a sperm donor, I would possibly encounter other sperm donors... which is icky... and also I don't want a "Children Of The Mighty Tom" Facebook group spamming me with friend requests twelve years from now.

No, the solution here is clear. Some asshole out there has created a mechanism for reproduction, and as all generations before me I must stand up to the machine. I must become the John Henry of my generation and fight this newest incarnation of the industrial revolution.

I'm going to need a lot of gift certificates to nice restaurants, a polo shirt and a lot of cologne....

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Themightytom wrote:First, I am touched by the groundswell of support that is evident here for perpetuating my genes. I mean I know I have a lot to offer future generations, but I didn't realize so many other people knew it too. it's like you guys can just sense the potential I represent having just exchanged a few words with me here and there... this cannot be ignored. If others sense such greatness within me than I Must Not Disappoint.

Unfortunately, to become a sperm donor, I would possibly encounter other sperm donors... which is icky... and also I don't want a "Children Of The Mighty Tom" Facebook group spamming me with friend requests twelve years from now.

No, the solution here is clear. Some asshole out there has created a mechanism for reproduction, and as all generations before me I must stand up to the machine. I must become the John Henry of my generation and fight this newest incarnation of the industrial revolution.

I'm going to need a lot of gift certificates to nice restaurants, a polo shirt and a lot of cologne....
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