How to make someone evil

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-03-04 10:29pm

Let's say to make someone anti-social, dissatisfied with the people around him/her, etc, one would have two options:

1. Hit the person with one giant bad/embarrassing/hateful/traumatic incident

OR

2. Hit the person, over the period of their lifetime, with numerous small jabs of the listed above.

Which is better at turning someone into an anti-social and, basically, an evil person?

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-03-04 10:30pm

I think ifCarrietaught us anything, its that the answer is #1.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-03-04 10:31pm

Elect him president of Iraq

Ravencrow · Post by **Ravencrow** » 2003-03-04 10:59pm

I would go with option no2. How one could do it is:

1) Teach him that love gets you nothing at all but hurt.

2) Teach him that trusting someone is the last thing you ever want to do. Teach him there is no such thing as 'friends' and no one needs them, that all you ever want to do is to achieve an end for your own gain only.

These lessons need to be done over a long period of time, and the person shall be given no chance to recover. Everytime he thinks his wrong about smething and starts believing that there is some hope, hit/jab him again with another painful lesson. And slowly his faith in 'goodness' will erode.

Enricko · Post by **Enricko** » 2003-03-04 11:46pm

Eliminate any person who can love the individual or teach compassion to him.

Execute his daddy;
Deport his mommy;
Screw his girlfriend;
Crush his dreams;
Kill his dog;
Frame the society!

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2003-03-05 12:01am

I don't totally think either, one can nessarily bring someone to become evil. I gues it depends on will power. I could say I've had a bit of both happen to me and at best I have a darkside that does scare me sometimes.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-03-05 12:05am

All depends upon how they take shit.

One can either crumple or just simply shrug it off.

Literally it all depends upon a said person, since no one way is guaranteed to affect every single person in the same fashion(I've seen people cry more over losing a sandwich then losing a job...people handle things...differently)

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2003-03-05 01:21am

Ghost Rider wrote:All depends upon how they take shit.

One can either crumple or just simply shrug it off.

Literally it all depends upon a said person, since no one way is guaranteed to affect every single person in the same fashion(I've seen people cry more over losing a sandwich then losing a job...people handle things...differently)

The only way to really make a person evil is to teach them alternative standards of right and wrong in their infancy. Even then they are just acting towards what they think is the good though it might be evil. IMO to be evil a person chocses to do evil (or their fucked up good), other then brainwashing, you can't really make people evil.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-03-05 05:11pm

I'd say #1 would be better. If a small amount is applied over a long time, someone might be able to find a a way to shrug it off and ignore it, while one big event will be remembered by all witnesses for a really long time.

Cap'n Hector · Post by **Cap'n Hector** » 2003-03-05 06:10pm

At least in the class of evil I've studied (serial killers), they're fucked up as kids and they stay that way.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2003-03-05 06:35pm

Pauly Shore videos 24/7.. destroy mankind.. must not let such atrocities arise again.. destroy.. destroy

Shrykull · Post by **Shrykull** » 2003-03-08 12:51am

Shinova wrote:Let's say to make someone anti-social, dissatisfied with the people around him/her, etc, one would have two options:

1. Hit the person with one giant bad/embarrassing/hateful/traumatic incident

OR

2. Hit the person, over the period of their lifetime, with numerous small jabs of the listed above.

Which is better at turning someone into an anti-social and, basically, an evil person?

I'm assuming he can't hit you back/take revenge on you. Cause why wouldn't he if your doing that to him/her? Anyway yes, people are products of thier enviornment, but why do you think that in response to this abuse he will abuse others, why not react to it some other way, by brooding/being miserable, or committing suicide?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-03-08 12:53am

Teach him fucked-up beliefs in a cult-like manner with extremely harsh discipline. The indoctrination techniques of religious fundies, Nazis, etc. are probably good models in terms of how to make someone evil.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-03-08 01:03am

Ravencrow wrote:I would go with option no2. How one could do it is:

1) Teach him that love gets you nothing at all but hurt.

2) Teach him that trusting someone is the last thing you ever want to do. Teach him there is no such thing as 'friends' and no one needs them, that all you ever want to do is to achieve an end for your own gain only.

These lessons need to be done over a long period of time, and the person shall be given no chance to recover. Everytime he thinks his wrong about smething and starts believing that there is some hope, hit/jab him again with another painful lesson. And slowly his faith in 'goodness' will erode.

I'm pretty close to that.

SWPIGWANG · Post by **SWPIGWANG** » 2003-03-08 07:02am

Pu-239 wrote:I'm pretty close to that.

And if you reflect, you are probably too cynical to be 'evil'

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-03-08 08:31pm

Evil is whether or not a person has any care for other human beings, if they would easily destroy life in order to gain power then they are quite evil.
Just have them play a few hours on Black And White, you'll quickly find out how crazy they are, or how ruthlessly effecient with their goals.

Tom_Aurum · Post by **Tom_Aurum** » 2003-03-10 05:38pm

Evil? Besides the fact that it doesn't really exist... it can't be created. Trust me, the universe has tried, and failed with me. In my entire fucked up childhood I've learned how to do well by <negative> example. Number one, avoid alchohol. Number two, don't ever marry someone who will treat your children like shit. Number three, take responsibility for what you do. Number four, honesty will get you where you want quicker than lying.

While it's hard to actually <make> evil, the real way to get the worst of their human nature out is this. Give them everything they've ever wanted. With no consequences, no effort, and no worries. Go ahead and take away people who actually care whether they do good or not, but make sure that those people who just want to hang out with them stick around. They'll wind up killing people because they want more excitement. They'll wind up doing drugs because they want to feel more. They'll wind up being sadistic because it's the only fun left to them.

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2003-03-10 11:41pm

Tom_Aurum wrote:Evil? Besides the fact that it doesn't really exist... it can't be created. Trust me, the universe has tried, and failed with me. In my entire fucked up childhood I've learned how to do well by <negative> example. Number one, avoid alchohol. Number two, don't ever marry someone who will treat your children like shit. Number three, take responsibility for what you do. Number four, honesty will get you where you want quicker than lying.

While it's hard to actually <make> evil, the real way to get the worst of their human nature out is this. Give them everything they've ever wanted. With no consequences, no effort, and no worries. Go ahead and take away people who actually care whether they do good or not, but make sure that those people who just want to hang out with them stick around. They'll wind up killing people because they want more excitement. They'll wind up doing drugs because they want to feel more. They'll wind up being sadistic because it's the only fun left to them.

Pardon me, I just opened a whole family-sized can o' Whoopfart. (Sorry. Some people think out loud, I think through my fingers.) Ahem, to the matter at hand -- holy shit, Tommy, you are learning from me, aren't you? I don't mean vis a vis your experiences, but your perspective on them seems to have altered since I've konwn you.

But I think Tommy has it almost dead-on here. If you really want to make someone evil, give them everything they want... but here's the trick. At some point, take it all away, and make them fight to get it back You'll get one of two extremes -- they'll turn out to be the best human being in history, or they'll turn out to be among the worst.

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2003-03-10 11:47pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:I think ifCarrietaught us anything, its that the answer is #1.

And that all of these little candy-assed Socialist anti-war pussies are wasting their time -- a much more unpardonable injustice than war is Sissy Spacek. Sissy Spacek... just the name strikes fear into the hearts of men, and wilts the libido of even the most testosterone-endowed flannel-wearing Melissa Etheridge fan...

Adelfi · Post by **Adelfi** » 2003-03-11 02:08am

You can't really make someone evil so much as put them on that path and try to steer them in the right (or wrong) direction

With women all it takes is a little demoralizing and an annihilation of their ability to trust

With men it usually revolved around taking away the things that comfort them and they believe they need and replacing it with a sense of hopelessness

Not that I'd tinker with someone's mental stae like that

SWPIGWANG · Post by **SWPIGWANG** » 2003-03-11 07:53am

how do you make sure they don't kill themselves before turning evil?

Setesh · Post by **Setesh** » 2003-03-11 05:23pm

Its far far easier than your making it out to be. Convince them nothing matters, one day they'll be dead and no mattert what they do they will be forgotten. So whats the point in moral behavior.

I don't think I explained this well I'll try again after sleep.

Larz · Post by **Larz** » 2003-03-11 05:36pm

But if this person is a very optimistic, trained to be goody, goody himself person from the get go, it makes breaking this very hard.

I'd say pummel them with some devestating events at first to weaken their optimistic defense, then continue with medium to small bad things... all the while feeding him a line of cynical and evil approaches to life. That outta change them!

Adelfi · Post by **Adelfi** » 2003-03-12 06:04am

Everybody breaks their own way
the fun part is finding out how
And if they off themselves in the process?
well if it's all in the name of evil...

muahhahaha!

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-03-12 07:54am

SWPIGWANG wrote:how do you make sure they don't kill themselves before turning evil?

Make sure they are too cowardly to take their own life. Pretty easy given humanity's overall cowerdice.

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