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3-d printer that uses moon rocks as material.

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And just when you thought the idea of manufacturing in space was a pipe-dream...
Future Moon colonists should be able to use lunar rocks to create tools or spare parts, according to a study.

US researchers have used a 3D printer to make small objects out of melted simulated lunar rocks.

They say the technique could help future missions to minimise the weight and the expense of carrying materials into space as a digital file would be enough.

But one expert says such a printer would have to be extremely precise.

In 2010, Nasa asked a team from Washington State University to see whether it was possible to use lunar rocks for 3D printing.

It supplied the researchers with simulated Moon rocks, or lunar regolith simulant, containing silicon, aluminium, calcium, iron and magnesium oxides.

Many hundreds of kilograms of Moon rocks were collected during Nasa missions, but the scientists did not use them because they are considered a national treasure in the US.

Lunar regolith simulant is commonly used for research purposes at Nasa.

"It sounds like science fiction, but now it's really possible," said Prof Amit Bandyopadhyay, the lead author of the study, published in the Rapid Prototyping Journal.

His team created simple 3D shapes by sending a digital file or scan to a printer which then built the items layer by layer out of melted lunar regolith, fed via a carefully controlled nozzle to form a shape. The process is known as "additive manufacturing".

A laser was used to melt the material.

"As long as you can have additive manufacturing set up, you may be able to scoop up and print whatever you want. It's not that far-fetched," said Prof Bandyopadhyay.

The research demonstrates the latest advances in 3D printing technology, which is already in use in medicine, fashion, car manufacturing and other industries.

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But Prof Colin Pillinger, the scientist behind the ill-fated Beagle-2 mission to Mars, said the printer would have to be really precise to be able to fabricate complex parts that usually make up the body of a spacecraft.

"It would be nice if you could do that but I'm not sure it would work - it depends whether it is a simple mechanical component or something more complex," Prof Pillinger, who now works at the Planetary and Space Sciences department at the Open University, told BBC News.

"If you break your car on a motorway and have to replace your wheel, and you just print one it's a mechanical component, but if it's something more sophisticated like an electrical component to run your car, it's a different story.

"Of course, if you don't have to take a wheel to the Moon its great, but if it's not a mechanical part that breaks but something more sophisticated than I'm not sure it would work."

However, David Woods, author of How Apollo Flew to the Moon, was more positive.

"The important thing to consider is that the Earth has a very deep gravity well so anything you can make in situ on the Moon will save an awful lot of energy and therefore money," he said.

"So it's better to be able to live off the land. That's why scientists are so interested in water at poles, and the fact Moon dust works well with microwaves and could theoretically be used to make a paved surface if you created roads.

"Such technologies are untested but they do open up the possibility of future colonisation of the Moon, even if only for scientific purposes."

But putting the theory into practice may be some way off. A project to put astronauts back on the Moon by 2020 was cancelled by President Obama on cost grounds, though Nasa still has longer-term plans for a lunar return.

Now, I understand the concerns about it not being useful for more complex things, but essentially any mechanical part is still a big deal, and bigger still that with silicon components and zero gravity it would probably be painfully easy to produce somewhat functional semiconductors. For the moment, however, even just having the ability to replace mechanical parts is a fairly large advance, and it shows that nothing substantial is required--if we can operate a 3-d printer directly on raw moon rocks or asteroids, that already gives us a prodiguous self maintenance capability. Nice to see that this research at my Alma Mater played out, too.
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Not to diss a national treasure or anything, but I'm confused why NASA couldn't spare a kg of moon rock for an experiment which certainly seems to affect future exploration and colonization opportunities of where those rocks came from in the first place.
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A few hundred kilos of rock really isn't that much rock. I think the idea is to conserve them for experiments where it really is essential to have the real deal because no one has any idea when someone would be going back there and able to pick up a new supply.
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Yes, and this sounded like such an experiment. Finding out what we can do with lunar rocks now could directly affect planning missions years away, especially since it's all about weight and what we carry up there vs. what we manufacture. It's good to test on simulated moon rock first, but I'd appreciate them saying they could spare some real stuff if the simulated stuff worked--they make it sound untouchable in this article as a national treasure, making it sound more like a thought experiment rather than earnest planning for future trips.

I don't mean to nitpick, I'd just love to see us going back up there in my lifetime.
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A couple of hundred kilos is about 10 buckets, that's not much to go around.

And it's rock. The stimulated stuff is a pretty damn good match.
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TOSDOC wrote:Yes, and this sounded like such an experiment. Finding out what we can do with lunar rocks now could directly affect planning missions years away, especially since it's all about weight and what we carry up there vs. what we manufacture. It's good to test on simulated moon rock first, but I'd appreciate them saying they could spare some real stuff if the simulated stuff worked--they make it sound untouchable in this article as a national treasure, making it sound more like a thought experiment rather than earnest planning for future trips.
If we were seriously contemplating sending a lunar expedition RIGHT NOW (i.e., planned launch date is five years or so in the future), that would be different. We might justly burn up a few kilos of rock now to see if it would let us send an expedition to the Moon to collect hundreds of kilos of rock later.

But since at the moment, the device is in the prototype phase and we have no plans to use it any time soon, it makes more sense to use simulant for the beta testing, and not burn million-dollar moon rocks until we are truly, deeply certain that it's necessary and that it's viable as a technology.
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Virtually every moon rock is a unique sample; it’s not like the astronauts got out a shovel and dumped the nearest pile of uniform gravel into a bucket. They were deliberately selected for diversity, and we are still intensively studying them and learning new things. They are rather important links to interpreting results from unmanned probes that cannot return physical samples among other things.
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TOSDOC wrote:Not to diss a national treasure or anything, but I'm confused why NASA couldn't spare a kg of moon rock for an experiment which certainly seems to affect future exploration and colonization opportunities of where those rocks came from in the first place.
As others have mentioned, the lunar samples we've collected were all collected because they fit criteria for geological uniqueness and scientific utility. Only a tiny fraction of the material collected from the surface of the Moon has gone to things like museum displays, commemorative plaques, and the like.

Here's the thing about your experiment. One rock is pretty much the same as the next when your goal is to boil it into vapor and use it to fabricate sprockets. It's all silicon, carbon, oxygen, and assorted metals in the end. As long as you get the proportions right, you can use any simulated lunar material and have a reasonable expectation that the sprocket fabricating gadget will work as you think it should on the Moon.
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Just thinking a bigger concern then material might be how well the printer works in low gravity. That couldn't even be tested properly on the ISS either, a low speed centrifuge would be iffy though perhaps accurate enough. We'd really need to send one to the moon for testing before we relied upon it, or any other mission critical technology for an actual base. But if were talking moon base and moon base budget, sending a few tons of experiments to the moon ahead of time on a manned survey and site pre mission would be no big deal.
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I am wondering if it just smelts the rock and pours it into shape or if it actually refines the material, using the pure components (iron, aluminum). Which would be possible, as you could heat it high enough to e.g have aluminium evaporate, while everything else is only molten.

You see, a steel part replaced by a stone/metal slab could cause problems. Even the difference in composition from one rock to the next would make part quality highly questionable. But it would be ok if you only do things like walls and stuff. Thick enough, it would be rock-stable by default.

Sending it ahead and letting it sit for a few weeks or so, remotely controlled fabrication of base parts for the astronauts to assemble would be quite handy.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:Just thinking a bigger concern then material might be how well the printer works in low gravity. That couldn't even be tested properly on the ISS either, a low speed centrifuge would be iffy though perhaps accurate enough. We'd really need to send one to the moon for testing before we relied upon it, or any other mission critical technology for an actual base. But if were talking moon base and moon base budget, sending a few tons of experiments to the moon ahead of time on a manned survey and site pre mission would be no big deal.
I suppose they could test it using the vomit comet. That does have the issue of short test periods but at least it's less material intensive.

A probe with it on the moon itself could be a follow-up test that could check both low G and possible vacuum testing at the same time.
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LaCroix wrote: You see, a steel part replaced by a stone/metal slab could cause problems. Even the difference in composition from one rock to the next would make part quality highly questionable. But it would be ok if you only do things like walls and stuff. Thick enough, it would be rock-stable by default.
Incidentally, those big items that do not require lots of precision also mostly tend to be the heaviest ones, which coincides perfectly :D

For example, just making basic tools already saves plenty of weight and space useful for more precise things, like scientific instrumentation, computer chips and the like.
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To everyone who replied, your counterarguements are understood and uncontested where the present state of this technology lies. I was just commenting on the seeming finality of where NASA stood within the article. Let me approach another way: who thinks it would be more galvanizing to the public, and stimulate pressing interest in going back to the moon, if it were publicized that NASA were using moon rocks in these experiments rather than simulacra? Could you use this as positive propaganda?
Incidentally, those big items that do not require lots of precision also mostly tend to be the heaviest ones, which coincides perfectly

For example, just making basic tools already saves plenty of weight and space useful for more precise things, like scientific instrumentation, computer chips and the like.
Not being an engineer, could anyone fill me in on how materials strength differs if manufactured in 1/6th gravity? A socket wrench, say?
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TOSDOC wrote:To everyone who replied, your counterarguements are understood and uncontested where the present state of this technology lies. I was just commenting on the seeming finality of where NASA stood within the article. Let me approach another way: who thinks it would be more galvanizing to the public, and stimulate pressing interest in going back to the moon, if it were publicized that NASA were using moon rocks in these experiments rather than simulacra? Could you use this as positive propaganda?
A) Moon rocks are national treasure in the USA; It's illegal to merely sell them, even if you have obtained sample legally. Given the NASA probably has no law about selling artefacts, it's possible that you can't obtain a sample from them or anywhere in the USA even if you wanted to.

B) The samples probably exceed price of platinum per gram several times over, testing with that might be kind of over-budget.
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TOSDOC wrote:To everyone who replied, your counterarguements are understood and uncontested where the present state of this technology lies. I was just commenting on the seeming finality of where NASA stood within the article. Let me approach another way: who thinks it would be more galvanizing to the public, and stimulate pressing interest in going back to the moon, if it were publicized that NASA were using moon rocks in these experiments rather than simulacra? Could you use this as positive propaganda?
A) Moon rocks are national treasure in the USA; It's illegal to merely sell them, even if you have obtained sample legally. Given the NASA probably has no law about selling artefacts, it's possible that you can't obtain a sample from them or anywhere in the USA even if you wanted to.

B) The samples probably exceed price of platinum per gram several times over, testing with that might be kind of over-budget.
A) This isn't really answering my post, just repeating more of stuff I've already conceded. No offense to Duchess, but I read the OP title thinking NASA was using actual moon rocks in this experiment, and got excited about it as it sounds like an important step to going back up there. The article stated otherwise, which led to my question above. And do moon rocks HAVE to be sold for private experiments? Couldn't they be issued under a grant by the US government for scientific experimentation?

B) Source?
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Oh, please - it is a common practice to use an inexpensive substitute/simulation in place of an expensive substance during development and prototyping in any industry.
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TOSDOC wrote: B) Source?
One mission collected an average of 63.6kg of rock samples, and cost on average 18 billion 2011 dollars.

So, one gram of lunar rock cost about 283 thousand 2011 dollars to acquire.
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Thank you PeZook.
Oh, please - it is a common practice to use an inexpensive substitute/simulation in place of an expensive substance during development and prototyping in any industry.
Again, I already stated I understood and agreed with that. When it gets past prototyping and development, it'd be nice to hear NASA considering sparing a gram to make a working sprocket, so the media could announce someone demonstrated using actual moon rocks to make stuff we don't need to take with us. I think that would be conducive for public support and interest in private industry to take us back up there sooner, 'cause I can just picture some corporate bigwig or congressman nixing funding because the experiment never moved past a substitute. That's all.
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I suspect that using your "spare gram" would only be when the trip back to the moon is getting put together, as far as testing goes NASA'd be more likely to throw a sample of every earth rock at it first to prove that the machine works regardless of what you put in.

Get a miniturised version into zero or low gravity and prove you can make something viable (if only small like a NASA tie pin for shits and giggles). I see this technology (for moon applications) as being useful where the astronauts take something like this, like a Bigelow Space inflatable thingy and then tile it over with moon rock geodesic sheets to help provide temperature/radiation insulation.
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