So 10 - 40 times heavier than Jupiter with a ring system almost as big as the distance between Earth and the Sun. Damn!Astronomers at the Leiden Observatory, The Netherlands, and the University of Rochester, USA, have discovered that the ring system that they see eclipse the very young Sun-like star J1407 is of enormous proportions, much larger and heavier than the ring system of Saturn. The ring system - the first of its kind to be found outside our solar system - was discovered in 2012 by a team led by Rochester's Eric Mamajek
A new analysis of the data, led by Leiden's Matthew Kenworthy, shows that the ring system consists of over 30 rings, each of them tens of millions of kilometers in diameter. Furthermore, they found gaps in the rings, which indicate that satellites ("exomoons") may have formed. The result has been accepted for publication in the Astrophysical Journal.
"The details that we see in the light curve are incredible. The eclipse lasted for several weeks, but you see rapid changes on time scales of tens of minutes as a result of fine structures in the rings," says Kenworthy. "The star is much too far away to observe the rings directly, but we could make a detailed model based on the rapid brightness variations in the star light passing through the ring system. If we could replace Saturn's rings with the rings around J1407b, they would be easily visible at night and be many times larger than the full moon."
"This planet is much larger than Jupiter or Saturn, and its ring system is roughly 200 times larger than Saturn's rings are today," said co-author Mamajek, professor of physics and astronomy at the University of Rochester. "You could think of it as kind of a super Saturn."
The astronomers analyzed data from the SuperWASP project - a survey that is designed to detect gas giants that move in front of their parent star. In 2012, Mamajek and colleagues at the University of Rochester reported the discovery of the young star J1407 and the unusual eclipses, and proposed that they were caused by a moon-forming disk around a young giant planet or brown dwarf.
In a third, more recent study also led by Kenworthy, adaptive optics and Doppler spectroscopy were used to estimate the mass of the ringed object. Their conclusions based on these and previous papers on the intriguing system J1407 is that the companion is likely to be a giant planet - not yet seen - with a gigantic ring system responsible for the repeated dimming of J1407's light.
The light curve tells astronomers that the diameter of the ring system is nearly 120 million kilometers, more than two hundred times as large as the rings of Saturn. The ring system likely contains roughly an Earth's worth of mass in light-obscuring dust particles.
Mamajek puts into context how much material is contained in these disks and rings. "If you were to grind up the four large Galilean moons of Jupiter into dust and ice and spread out the material over their orbits in a ring around Jupiter, the ring would be so opaque to light that a distant observer that saw the ring pass in front of the sun would see a very deep, multi-day eclipse," Mamajek says. "In the case of J1407, we see the rings blocking as much as 95 percent of the light of this young Sun-like star for days, so there is a lot of material there that could then form satellites."
In the data the astronomers found at least one clean gap in the ring structure, which is more clearly defined in the new model. "One obvious explanation is that a satellite formed and carved out this gap," says Kenworthy. "The mass of the satellite could be between that of Earth and Mars. The satellite would have an orbital period of approximately two years around J1407b."
Astronomers expect that the rings will become thinner in the next several million years and eventually disappear as satellites form from the material in the disks
"The planetary science community has theorized for decades that planets like Jupiter and Saturn would have had, at an early stage, disks around them that then led to the formation of satellites," Mamajek explains. "However, until we discovered this object in 2012, no-one had seen such a ring system. This is the first snapshot of satellite formation on million-kilometer scales around a substellar object."
Astronomers estimate that the ringed companion J1407b has an orbital period roughly a decade in length. The mass of J1407b has been difficult to constrain, but it is most likely in the range of about 10 to 40 Jupiter masses.
The researchers encourage amateur astronomers to help monitor J1407, which would help detect the next eclipse of the rings, and constrain the period and mass of the ringed companion. Observations of J1407 can be reported to the American Association of Variable Star Observers (AAVSO). In the meantime the astronomers are searching other photometric surveys looking for eclipses by yet undiscovered ring systems.
Kenworthy adds that finding eclipses from more objects like J1407's companion "is the only feasible way we have of observing the early conditions of satellite formation for the near future. J1407's eclipses will allow us to study the physical and chemical properties of satellite-spawning circumplanetary disks."
Exoplanet found with 75 million mile wide ring system!
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Exoplanet found with 75 million mile wide ring system!
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Well that's pretty epic.
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Soooo... most awesome STO system ever, or what?
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In the article there's an image of what it would look like in our own skies if Saturn's rings were replaced with these. That's a sight I'd love to see.
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Part of it seems to be that this solar system is a lot younger than ours, which means that the ring system hasn't had time to lose its outlying portions to random gravitational interactions with other bodies.
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I seem to recall that Saturn's ring system would already have been long gone if it weren't being replenished by debris from it's moons.
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Now I'm wondering what myths would have come from seeing that in the sky every night.Borgholio wrote:In the article there's an image of what it would look like in our own skies if Saturn's rings were replaced with these. That's a sight I'd love to see.
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Probably several circles of heaven where the closer to the center you get the closer to God you are?LadyTevar wrote:Now I'm wondering what myths would have come from seeing that in the sky every night.Borgholio wrote:In the article there's an image of what it would look like in our own skies if Saturn's rings were replaced with these. That's a sight I'd love to see.
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I suspect that in ancient cultures there would have been a night-version of the Sun-God, represented by those rings.
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A mass of 10x - 40x of Jupiter's? That's not a planet, that's a brown dwarf. Which means that's less of a Saturn-style ring system and more of a baby solar system in miniature.
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There seems to be a bit of that; one of the moons, Enceladus, is known to be spouting ice geysers at greater than escape velocity, and its orbit coincides with a brightening of the wide, fuzzy outer ring. A lot of it appears to be a kind of recycling; ring particles are constantly colliding, knocking bits off each other, and exposing fresh ice surfaces to keep the rings bright.Borgholio wrote:I seem to recall that Saturn's ring system would already have been long gone if it weren't being replenished by debris from it's moons.
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Night? Ring of that size would have been easily visible through most of the day, similar how the Moon can be sometimes seen. If it was bright enough, it could well make most stars invisible for long periods, too.Eternal_Freedom wrote:I suspect that in ancient cultures there would have been a night-version of the Sun-God, represented by those rings.
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What about the gigantic infrared ring of Saturn itself?
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Well that ring is at most about 15 million miles across, so it's still only about 1/5 as big as the rings of J1407b. However, if J1407b itself has a similar ring at a proportional distance, then the ring would be about 175 AU across. That's...a bit on the large side.jwl wrote:What about the gigantic infrared ring of Saturn itself?
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Is the infrared Saturn ring perhaps the remnants of such a ring system? Saturn may at one point have had a massive (albiet not quite as large) full ring system like J1407b.
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