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Liquid Water Found on Mars

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Just beneath the surface, and only intermittently, but still, damn that's cool.

Straight from NASA itself:
NASA wrote:New findings from NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO) provide the strongest evidence yet that liquid water flows intermittently on present-day Mars.

Using an imaging spectrometer on MRO, researchers detected signatures of hydrated minerals on slopes where mysterious streaks are seen on the Red Planet. These darkish streaks appear to ebb and flow over time. They darken and appear to flow down steep slopes during warm seasons, and then fade in cooler seasons. They appear in several locations on Mars when temperatures are above minus 10 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 23 Celsius), and disappear at colder times.

“Our quest on Mars has been to ‘follow the water,’ in our search for life in the universe, and now we have convincing science that validates what we’ve long suspected,” said John Grunsfeld, astronaut and associate administrator of NASA’s Science Mission Directorate in Washington. “This is a significant development, as it appears to confirm that water -- albeit briny -- is flowing today on the surface of Mars.”

These downhill flows, known as recurring slope lineae (RSL), often have been described as possibly related to liquid water. The new findings of hydrated salts on the slopes point to what that relationship may be to these dark features. The hydrated salts would lower the freezing point of a liquid brine, just as salt on roads here on Earth causes ice and snow to melt more rapidly. Scientists say it’s likely a shallow subsurface flow, with enough water wicking to the surface to explain the darkening.
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"We found the hydrated salts only when the seasonal features were widest, which suggests that either the dark streaks themselves or a process that forms them is the source of the hydration. In either case, the detection of hydrated salts on these slopes means that water plays a vital role in the formation of these streaks," said Lujendra Ojha of the Georgia Institute of Technology (Georgia Tech) in Atlanta, lead author of a report on these findings published Sept. 28 by Nature Geoscience.

Ojha first noticed these puzzling features as a University of Arizona undergraduate student in 2010, using images from the MRO's High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE). HiRISE observations now have documented RSL at dozens of sites on Mars. The new study pairs HiRISE observations with mineral mapping by MRO’s Compact Reconnaissance Imaging Spectrometer for Mars (CRISM).

The spectrometer observations show signatures of hydrated salts at multiple RSL locations, but only when the dark features were relatively wide. When the researchers looked at the same locations and RSL weren't as extensive, they detected no hydrated salt.

Ojha and his co-authors interpret the spectral signatures as caused by hydrated minerals called perchlorates. The hydrated salts most consistent with the chemical signatures are likely a mixture of magnesium perchlorate, magnesium chlorate and sodium perchlorate. Some perchlorates have been shown to keep liquids from freezing even when conditions are as cold as minus 94 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 70 Celsius). On Earth, naturally produced perchlorates are concentrated in deserts, and some types of perchlorates can be used as rocket propellant.

Perchlorates have previously been seen on Mars. NASA's Phoenix lander and Curiosity rover both found them in the planet's soil, and some scientists believe that the Viking missions in the 1970s measured signatures of these salts. However, this study of RSL detected perchlorates, now in hydrated form, in different areas than those explored by the landers. This also is the first time perchlorates have been identified from orbit.

MRO has been examining Mars since 2006 with its six science instruments.

"The ability of MRO to observe for multiple Mars years with a payload able to see the fine detail of these features has enabled findings such as these: first identifying the puzzling seasonal streaks and now making a big step towards explaining what they are," said Rich Zurek, MRO project scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, California.

For Ojha, the new findings are more proof that the mysterious lines he first saw darkening Martian slopes five years ago are, indeed, present-day water.

"When most people talk about water on Mars, they're usually talking about ancient water or frozen water," he said. "Now we know there’s more to the story. This is the first spectral detection that unambiguously supports our liquid water-formation hypotheses for RSL."

The discovery is the latest of many breakthroughs by NASA’s Mars missions.

“It took multiple spacecraft over several years to solve this mystery, and now we know there is liquid water on the surface of this cold, desert planet,” said Michael Meyer, lead scientist for NASA’s Mars Exploration Program at the agency’s headquarters in Washington. “It seems that the more we study Mars, the more we learn how life could be supported and where there are resources to support life in the future.”

There are eight co-authors of the Nature Geoscience paper, including Mary Beth Wilhelm at NASA’s Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, California and Georgia Tech; CRISM Principal Investigator Scott Murchie of the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory in Laurel, Maryland; and HiRISE Principal Investigator Alfred McEwen of the University of Arizona Lunar and Planetary Laboratory in Tucson, Arizona. Others are at Georgia Tech, the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colorado, and Laboratoire de Planétologie et Géodynamique in Nantes, France.

The agency’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, California manages the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter Project for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Lockheed Martin built the orbiter and collaborates with JPL to operate it.

More information about NASA's journey to Mars is available online at:

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/journeytomars
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Re: Liquid Water Found on Mars

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I am so bloody happy about this.

Congratulations to the people at NASA for this discovery.

Also, what does this say about the hopes of finding life, and of colonizing Mars?
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I can't really comment on the finding life part, but colonising the planet might be easier knowing this. Of course, the flow is subsurface, heavy in salt content and only intermittent as best I can tell, so I honestly can't see it making that much difference.
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I was just reading about this. This has been a good month for liquid water findings. First on Enceladus and now on Mars. I'm sure the area where these "springs" are located just jumped to top of the list of sites for manned exploration or another rover.
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I'd say that's a fair bet yes :D

I'd almost wager that someone in the Curiosity project office is trying to work out if the stubborn little thing can make it there anytime soon.
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You got me wondering just how far away this area is from where any of the rovers are currently located. Unfortunately I can't find any information on the precise location. It could be on the opposite side of the planet from Curiosity. :-/

Edit - nevermind, found it!

Was doing a Google Mars search to try and map it out when I found this news article:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... ity-rover/

Looks like Curiosity is only 50km away. Damn...they're probably plotting a bee-line course over there as we speak. That's easily within driving distance.
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Excellent.

Although I hope another probe gets sent specifically to this area, and soon.
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Curiosity wasn't formally sterilised, they're not going to drive it anywhere near, sadly
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It wasn't sterilized up to Category IVc of COSPAR planetary protection standards, unfortunately. Same for the 2020 Mars Rover that they're working on, which seems even more problematic since that one is supposed to be looking for signs of past and extant life. What's the point of even having planetary protection if you make it too difficult and expensive to ever send robots to find out if there's even life present in the protected areas?
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Borgholio wrote:I was just reading about this. This has been a good month for liquid water findings. First on Enceladus and now on Mars. I'm sure the area where these "springs" are located just jumped to top of the list of sites for manned exploration or another rover.
Between this, the Enceladus discovery, the Pluto flyby, the Ceres approach, and the Rosetta comet landing, I'd say this has been a bloody good year for solar system exploration overall :D

This is so cool. It strongly suggests that liquid water is everywhere in the universe if it's on three bodies just in this solar system.
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Guardsman Bass wrote:It wasn't sterilized up to Category IVc of COSPAR planetary protection standards, unfortunately. Same for the 2020 Mars Rover that they're working on, which seems even more problematic since that one is supposed to be looking for signs of past and extant life. What's the point of even having planetary protection if you make it too difficult and expensive to ever send robots to find out if there's even life present in the protected areas?

Does it need to be fully sterilized to the Cat-4 standards to roll up nearby and take some pictures? You'd think they wouldn't want to wait another 15 years to send a rover to poke around a bit.
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Borgholio wrote:Does it need to be fully sterilized to the Cat-4 standards to roll up nearby and take some pictures? You'd think they wouldn't want to wait another 15 years to send a rover to poke around a bit.
We don't want to have the next rover find bacteria then find out they're s. aureus the previous rover dropped off.
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True about the bacteria, too a degree.

It would show that life could be transplanted to Mars and survive, if anything.
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Yes, but it would also cause massive false alarms in the scientific community, and possibly raise public derision.

We can establish that bacteria can be transplanted to Mars in a controlled experiment, later, in the Martian equivalent of a terrarium.
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Here are a couple of interesting articles about the whole "sterilized rover" thing.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015 ... sity-rover

http://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-why- ... quid-water
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How close can the rovers get without risking contamination? Surely they can at least roll over to the general area and take some pictures from a distance, and take samples from the surrounding area.
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Does this mean a manned mission would have to stay clear of any area containing water?
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Hillary wrote:Does this mean a manned mission would have to stay clear of any area containing water?
To begin with, yes. I can't see that being the case forever though, since if we want to drill for water to use in a base...contamination will be inevitable.
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Borgholio wrote:
Hillary wrote:Does this mean a manned mission would have to stay clear of any area containing water?
To begin with, yes. I can't see that being the case forever though, since if we want to drill for water to use in a base...contamination will be inevitable.
Once humans go anywhere in person any concerns of keeping the area pristine go right out the window. It only takes one fatal accident and you now have a giant bag of trillions of bacteria with 100+ lbs of food out in the environment.

Heck, just going in and out of the airlock is going to "flood" the area with microscopic hitchhikers from earth.
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About the only way to ensure lack of contamination would be hyper-sterilization by going to the extreme of a long isolation period in space, purging intestinal bacteria, and so forth... a nasty state of affairs that would leave astronauts extremely vulnerable to whatever possible pathogens are on Mars. More likely we'll sterilize a few rovers very thoroughly before checking it out. There won't be much we can do about the astronauts.
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You might be able to minimize it, although of course that doesn't do much if your astronauts (as mentioned above) have an accident and die on the surface. Go with suit-ports instead of suits you pull on piece by piece, sterilize and completely seal the outside of the habitat, sterilize all gases before venting them (if possible), and so forth.

If they can't find a way to get it down low, I'd be fine with sticking to Mars Orbital Crewed Missions with rovers and robots remotely operated on the surface, as long as the crew is given some decent autonomy over the day-to-day investigation (if they're just being handed a super-specific list of places to go while being told "drive it around the rocks", it's probably not worth the extra expense in sending them there).
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