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Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-04-26 04:22pm

Alright, seeing as how INvasion should be coming soon from some Creationist nut Case (I am guessing, no knowledge just a guess) let's have some fun. I shall post a creationist argument, and thou shalt try to smiteth me with logic! PLease note that what I say here no way represents what I actually think!

Ahem,

"Evolution is an unfounded theory with no proper scientific proof. All so called "signs" of evolution can be explained by other and just as logical explanations."

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-04-26 04:35pm

And what would these "logical explanations" be my idiotic friend?

How do you explain the fossil record in regards to the evolution of horses? or the fact that humans and chimps share 98% of their genetic structure, pointng to a common ancestor. How about the fossil progression of ancient birds, or sharks? If you have an alternative theory, please present it for consideration you mindless twit.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-26 04:37pm

Evolution is an unfounded theory with no proper scientific proof.

It's been observed, it makes predictions relating to the fossil record. Virtually every species around us are evidence of evolution. Experimentation and genetic engineering prove it even further.

And what kind of proper scientific proof can you present for your theory?

All so called "signs" of evolution can be explained by other and just as logical explanations.

Give me an example of one of these explanations. Explain how believe it to be logical.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-04-26 04:38pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:And what would these "logical explanations" be my idiotic friend?

How do you explain the fossil record in regards to the evolution of horses? or the fact that humans and chimps share 98% of their genetic structure, pointng to a common ancestor. How about the fossil progression of ancient birds, or sharks? If you have an alternative theory, please present it for consideration you mindless twit.

Fine, a Deitic being made the world as is. End of story, it's much more logical then this long "BIllions of years" crap that evolution spouts

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-26 04:39pm

Fine, a Deitic being made the world as is. End of story, it's much more logical then this long "BIllions of years" crap that evolution spouts

Proof?

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-04-26 04:41pm

On the contrary, radiometric dating and other methods have shown the Earth's age to be well past 6,000 years. Divine intervention need not enter this equation, because there is simply no need for it. There is nothing prohibiting evolution from occuring, and frankly, it has been observed many times before.

Since your God refuses to show himself, we have no reason to believe he had any involvment with the creation of life.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-04-26 04:43pm

Straha wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:And what would these "logical explanations" be my idiotic friend?

How do you explain the fossil record in regards to the evolution of horses? or the fact that humans and chimps share 98% of their genetic structure, pointng to a common ancestor. How about the fossil progression of ancient birds, or sharks? If you have an alternative theory, please present it for consideration you mindless twit.
Fine, a Deitic being made the world as is. End of story, it's much more logical then this long "BIllions of years" crap that evolution spouts

Do you have anyevidence to back up your moronic claim? I didnt think so. Logic, s based on evidence. You have none.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-04-26 04:44pm

Straha wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:And what would these "logical explanations" be my idiotic friend?

How do you explain the fossil record in regards to the evolution of horses? or the fact that humans and chimps share 98% of their genetic structure, pointng to a common ancestor. How about the fossil progression of ancient birds, or sharks? If you have an alternative theory, please present it for consideration you mindless twit.
Fine, a Deitic being made the world as is. End of story, it's much more logical then this long "BIllions of years" crap that evolution spouts

OK then you mean some divinity shook is little soldier and poof here we are.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-04-26 04:48pm

Exonerate wrote:On the contrary, radiometric dating and other methods have shown the Earth's age to be well past 6,000 years. Divine intervention need not enter this equation, because there is simply no need for it. There is nothing prohibiting evolution from occuring, and frankly, it has been observed many times before.

A. How do you know that radiometric dating isn't wrong?
B. Differentiation within species is known, switching from species to species isn't

Since your God refuses to show himself, we have no reason to believe he had any involvment with the creation of life.

By that logic since George Washington refuses to show himself, we have no reason to believe he had any involvement in the creation of the USA.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-04-26 04:53pm

Durran Korr wrote:
Fine, a Deitic being made the world as is. End of story, it's much more logical then this long "BIllions of years" crap that evolution spouts
Proof?

Actually, a better rebuttal to that point is to simply remind the typical bobble-headed creationist that we are using a theory which relies exclusively on things which are known to exist: the Earth, time, and chemical reactions. His theory requires an additional element (the deity) which is NOT known to exist.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-04-26 04:57pm

Straha wrote:
Exonerate wrote:On the contrary, radiometric dating and other methods have shown the Earth's age to be well past 6,000 years. Divine intervention need not enter this equation, because there is simply no need for it. There is nothing prohibiting evolution from occuring, and frankly, it has been observed many times before.
A. How do you know that radiometric dating isn't wrong?
B. Differentiation within species is known, switching from species to species isn't

Since your God refuses to show himself, we have no reason to believe he had any involvment with the creation of life.
By that logic since George Washington refuses to show himself, we have no reason to believe he had any involvement in the creation of the USA.

We know radiometric dating isnt wrong, because we use different methods, and the results cooberate the results of the other tests

The AIDs virus has been shown to speciate, and speciation is quite evident n the fossil record

George washington is now because there are ultiple sources that speak for his existence...both British, and american records, as well as hs signature on various documents.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-26 05:00pm

A. How do you know that radiometric dating isn't wrong?

How do you know that the density of water is wrong? Oh wait, it's not; it's a property of the substance, just like decay rates are a property of radioactive material.

B. Differentiation within species is known, switching from species to species isn't

Nice strawman. Species don't evolve randomly into other species, they evolve over a very long process of mutation and self-correction.

By that logic since George Washington refuses to show himself, we have no reason to believe he had any involvement in the creation of the USA.

George Washington's life is well-documented in various texts by various sources. Furthermore, this is a false analogy; George Washington wasn't some supernatural being, he was just a normal human. His existence doesn't require the extraordinary proof that the existence of a deity does.

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2003-04-26 05:10pm

Exonerate wrote: Since your God refuses to show himself, we have no reason to believe he had any involvment with the creation of life.

Unless he has developed a conscience since the last reported sightings, in which case he may be afraid that we'll scrounge up 1,001 iron chariots and beat his ass like a tambourine.

PrinceofLowLight · Post by **PrinceofLowLight** » 2003-04-26 05:20pm

Straha wrote: B. Differentiation within species is known, switching from species to species isn't

Try and mate a wolf with a poodle or spaniel and see if enough alterations will equal speciation (defined by being too different to produce viable offspring). Unless you want to fly in the face of thousands of years of dog breeding records and say that these dog breeds just sprang out of nowhere during our recordable history and are in no way related to or descended from wolves...

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-04-26 09:48pm

Straha's evil creationist twin brother wrote:"Evolution is an unfounded theory with no proper scientific proof. All so called "signs" of evolution can be explained by other and just as logical explanations."

You're a dumbass.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-04-26 10:01pm

These people breed like bacteria on agar, you can't stop them! You smack one down and 100 more show up, it's futile!

AARGH!

I can feel my brain die a bit everytime I see such flagrant displays of stupidity, do you people not get tired of repeating the same arguments over and over to what is in essence, a human version of a brick wall?

I admire your longevity in the pursuit to rid the world of these imbeciles.

*salutes*

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-04-27 01:55pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Straha wrote:
Exonerate wrote:On the contrary, radiometric dating and other methods have shown the Earth's age to be well past 6,000 years. Divine intervention need not enter this equation, because there is simply no need for it. There is nothing prohibiting evolution from occuring, and frankly, it has been observed many times before.
A. How do you know that radiometric dating isn't wrong?
B. Differentiation within species is known, switching from species to species isn't

Since your God refuses to show himself, we have no reason to believe he had any involvment with the creation of life.
By that logic since George Washington refuses to show himself, we have no reason to believe he had any involvement in the creation of the USA.
We know radiometric dating isnt wrong, because we use different methods, and the results cooberate the results of the other tests

The AIDs virus has been shown to speciate, and speciation is quite evident n the fossil record

George washington is now because there are ultiple sources that speak for his existence...both British, and american records, as well as hs signature on various documents.

Which other tests do you use to "confirm" radiometric dating?

So you say that AIDs/HIV has developed into whole new species? Not just a different strain fo AIDs/HIV?

And we have recorded history of Godthrough the Bible, just like we have recorded history of George Washington. my argument still stands.

BUt how do you know that it is right? How do you know, for instence

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-27 02:09pm

Which other tests do you use to "confirm" radiometric dating?

So the fact that radioactive decay rates do not change isn't enough for you? Furthermore, the burden of proof is on you now to show that the various types of dating used by scientists all around the world are inaccurate.

And we have recorded history of Godthrough the Bible, just like we have recorded history of George Washington. my argument still stands.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. George Washington was a man, not a supernatural deity. We know men exist; we don't know supernatural deities exist, nor do we have any reason to believe they do. So the latter requires much more extraordinary proof than the former.

Furthermore, the proof for the existence of a man named George Washington is much stronger than the "proof" for the Biblical God. His existence is verified by multiple sources in multiples texts, there are likely probate records still available relating to Washington's financial holdings, and you can dig up his body, if that's not enough. The Biblical God, by contrast, is only "verified" by one inaccurate, unreliable source which has about as much coherence as the Trek Universe.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-04-27 02:16pm

Thank you Durran

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-04-27 03:23pm

Why do you have an appendix?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-27 03:34pm

Bizarro Straha, what exactly is your theory on the origin of species?

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-04-27 03:57pm

Straha wrote: A. How do you know that radiometric dating isn't wrong?

Because it has been SHOWN TO BE CORRECT!

B. Differentiation within species is known, switching from species to species isn't

1. Learn about evolution fuckhead.
2. While will you accept 1+1=2 but not 1 million+1 million=2 million

By that logic since George Washington refuses to show himself, we have no reason to believe he had any involvement in the creation of the USA.

Since there are dozens or hundreds of seperate sources that all say he existed, I'd say he does.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-04-27 03:59pm

Straha wrote:

And we have recorded history of Godthrough the Bible, just like we have recorded history of George Washington. my argument still stands.

There are dozens of seperate sources about Washington, from calling him a filthy traitor to a patriotic hero. God has only 1 source, a 2000 year old book that gets wrong Pi, and weather!

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