rapture

NapoleonGH · Post by **NapoleonGH** » 2003-06-04 11:21pm

johone, the majority of christians arent even protestant. The majority are Roman Catholic and eastern orthodox.

Johonebesus · Post by **Johonebesus** » 2003-06-05 01:52am

NapoleonGH wrote:johone, the majority of christians arent even protestant. The majority are Roman Catholic and eastern orthodox.

Yes, I know. I wasn't aware I stated otherwise.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-06-05 06:40am

"Ah, it's the rapture, everyone to the tanks!"

We'll show God who's boss.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-06-05 10:19am

Johonebesus wrote:I would just like to point out that not all Christians believe in this Rapture business, indeed the majority probably do not. As has been stated, it is a very new idea, and is considered by most orthodox churches to be a heresy.

I thought the Rapture was an exclusively Catholic idea??

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-05 01:43pm

a lot of protestants have come along for the ride.

Johonebesus · Post by **Johonebesus** » 2003-06-05 03:04pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:I thought the Rapture was an exclusively Catholic idea??

Unless Catholics over there are wierd, no. The idea was invented by American evangelicals in the 19th century. According to Rome, the evangelical Rapture is a heresy.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-06-05 08:17pm

There is nothing in the Bible specifically referred to as "Rapture," however, there are passages speaking of a woman who will vanish next to another woman and so forth -- which leads to the idea of the rapture. There are varying theories on just what those passages mean -- many take them at purely symbolic value. I imagine that the Roman Catholics do.

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-06-05 08:25pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:
Howedar wrote:You're welcome to mine.
I really need a new machine, so you better had love Jesus damnit!

There is a bumper sticker that some put on their car, which reads:
Come the rapture, this car will be abandoned.

Us nonbelievers came up with a better one:
Come the rapture, can I have your car?

StimNeuro · Post by **StimNeuro** » 2003-06-05 08:28pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:reiteration on the main point -

would this be a good thing, or bad thing? and would you want to see it happen?

not

how likely is this to happen?

It depends on if you get called up. If you get called up, then it's going to be a good thing. If not, it all depends on what your beliefs are. I'm sure there are some here who would love to live in a Christian-free world, even though they would have been proven wrong. Personally, I'm not sure whether I would rather see it or not. It might help if you would clarify which view of the rapture you are talking about. There's the Pre-Tribulation view(before the 7 years), the Mid-Tribulation view(3.5 years into the Tribulation), and the Post-Tribulation view.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-06-06 12:16am

StimNeuro wrote:It depends on if you get called up. If you get called up, then it's going to be a good thing.

Are you sure? According to the story, Satan grew discontent and formed a rebellion against God's empire. That is not the action of someone who is happy. So being in Heaven does not necessarily make you happy; how do you know you'll enjoy it there? For all you know, it's more like Baghdad under the Baath party and Saddam Hussein.

If not, it all depends on what your beliefs are. I'm sure there are some here who would love to live in a Christian-free world, even though they would have been proven wrong.

It wouldn't be a Christian-free world. According to the myth, only a select few are taken up. The rest of them, Christian or not, get to stay.

Personally, I'm not sure whether I would rather see it or not. It might help if you would clarify which view of the rapture you are talking about. There's the Pre-Tribulation view(before the 7 years), the Mid-Tribulation view(3.5 years into the Tribulation), and the Post-Tribulation view.

Since the Tribulation is supposed to involve a vast amount of death and suffering, I don't see how there can be any question that it's a bad thing.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-06-06 12:19am

Wicked Pilot wrote:
Howedar wrote:You're welcome to mine.
I really need a new machine, so you better had love Jesus damnit!

Don't worry, I do

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2003-06-06 01:34am

jegs2 wrote:There is nothing in the Bible specifically referred to as "Rapture," however, there are passages speaking of a woman who will vanish next to another woman and so forth -- which leads to the idea of the rapture. There are varying theories on just what those passages mean -- many take them at purely symbolic value. I imagine that the Roman Catholics do.

Not necessarily. Fundamentalist Catholics especially in the Southern US believe in the "End Times" which is simply rapture with a new name to iy. It's virtually like rapture with the exculsion of the 2 bilion or 1/3 of the population dead and mass genocie. They don't necessarily believe in dogma but the idea is mixed up with catholic Dogma and Protestant preaching you can't tell the ideas apart. So yes, in short rapture is preached just less well violent.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-06-06 10:58am

Darth Wong wrote: Since the Tribulation is supposed to involve a vast amount of death and suffering, I don't see how there can be any question that it's a bad thing.

Since there's a lot of death and suffering, some conspiracy theorists believe that the Tribulation is going to happen very soon. But will it somehow involve the UN siding with The Devil?

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-06-06 08:51pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Since there's a lot of death and suffering, some conspiracy theorists believe that the Tribulation is going to happen very soon. But will it somehow involve the UN siding with The Devil?

Welcome to Biblical Prophecy Lunacy!

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-06 09:01pm

anyone know the site that has various crisises on a point value, then says, when the points are this high, its rapture time?

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-06-07 02:30am

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Since there's a lot of death and suffering, some conspiracy theorists believe that the Tribulation is going to happen very soon. But will it somehow involve the UN siding with The Devil?
Welcome to Biblical Prophecy Lunacy!

Or the Conspiracy Theory of "Everything Is Affliated With The Devil."

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-06-07 03:03am

I'm sorry but if God loves us, WHY end the world? Is he really that twisted that he just feels like offing BILLIONS of his own creation? It makes no sense other than a stick to use in relation to the carrot of eternal life. All the actions of GOd are so contradictory in the bible that I'm shocked there are as many believers as there are. One minute they're telling us God is love, God loves us all even if we're evil....that is until God decides to wipe the slate clean for no good reason and save only a select few of his precious creations.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-07 03:52am

and sending them to hell. remember that.

and, as 6 fundies have been telling me for this evening

its our choice.