You are ignoring the fact that certain ideas directly engender conflict. The Bible contains many of these. Or do you intend to simply ignore the fact that the Judaic religions have been unusually violent throughout history, and with such an unusual level of cruelty? How about the point I made about fear of death? Do you plan to address that sometime?HemlockGrey wrote:I don't know if we'd have had less of them. When you cut through the dogma, religions are essentially differing, particulary esoteric ideas. Any difference in ideas invites conflict. Simply altering the ideas involved does not change the potential for conflict, unless they are completely identical.True, but we'd have less of them, and fewer people would be as eager to give up their lives. It's much easier to give up your life when you think Heaven awaits you, as opposed to silent, empty oblivion.
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This is true. I merely postulate that religion does not cause, rather, it covers and excaberates(sp?) problems inherent in our world.You are ignoring the fact that certain ideas directly engender conflict. The Bible contains many of these. Or do you intend to simply ignore the fact that the Judaic religions have been unusually violent throughout history, and with such an unusual level of cruelty? How about the point I made about fear of death? Do you plan to address that sometime?
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Are you seriously arguing that religion cannot be identified as a cause for the Crusades or (for a more recent obviously religious example) 9/11? Not to mention the India/Pakistan conflict, or the seemingly endless acrimony over the ownership of Jerusalem?HemlockGrey wrote:This is true. I merely postulate that religion does not cause, rather, it covers and excaberates(sp?) problems inherent in our world.
Besides, if you admit that religion exacerbates the situation, then you concede that your earlier statement "I don't know if we'd have had less of them" is not true, since religion did make things worse than they would have otherwise been.
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Conceded.Are you seriously arguing that religion cannot be identified as a cause for the Crusades or (for a more recent obviously religious example) 9/11? Not to mention the India/Pakistan conflict, or the seemingly endless acrimony over the ownership of Jerusalem?
Besides, if you admit that religion exacerbates the situation, then you concede that your earlier statement "I don't know if we'd have had less of them" is not true, since religion did make things worse than they would have otherwise been.
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I wonder if the Nazis were just taking Mein Kampf "out of context" or "misinterpreting" it like the Crusaders and Inquisitors were the Bible.
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jegs2 wrote:If I listed here the number of books folks want banned, you'd finsish reading it before you turned 100, maybe. Banning any literature is stupid, short-sighted, and idiotic. Why don't we gather around a great big bondfire, screaming, "Seig Heil!" while we burn all the books with which we find disagreement? At the same time, we'll gather up those who "don't belong" and those with who we disagree and ship them off to "relocation" camps, where they'll never be seen again. But be careful, or it might be you who winds up "relocated."Sir Sirius wrote:I agree , banning books is never a good idea, but if any book deserves to be banned the bible does.jegs2 wrote:Banning the Bible would be a galactically stupid thing to do.
Are you fucking illiterate or something? I said that I agree with you that the bible should NOT be banned and that banning books is never a good idea. You know, actualy reading a post before you respond to it with some idiotic rant of "righteus" condemnation might be worth your while the next time, moron!
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It wasn't aimed specifically at you but the audience in general that might believe banning the Bible or any literature to be a good idea. If you took offense, I'm truly puzzled, but so be it...Sir Sirius wrote:I said that I agree with you that the bible should NOT be banned and that banning books is never a good idea. You know, actualy reading a post before you respond to it with some idiotic rant of "righteus" condemnation might be worth your while the next time, moron!
Just want to add that the Crusades were also because there were many younger sons who wanted land.Darth Wong wrote: Are you seriously arguing that religion cannot be identified as a cause for the Crusades or (for a more recent obviously religious example) 9/11? Not to mention the India/Pakistan conflict, or the seemingly endless acrimony over the ownership of Jerusalem?
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jegs2 wrote:It wasn't aimed specifically at you but the audience in general that might believe banning the Bible or any literature to be a good idea. If you took offense, I'm truly puzzled, but so be it...
You quoted my post and wrote your responce directly beneath it and now wonder why I thought that it was directed at me?!