"Let's Blame Music!"

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-07-18 01:05am

kojikun wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:
kojikun wrote:any friend of the hooka knows that weed is ANYTHING but rage-inducing!
Bless Williams.
Aye. God bless that man.

Who?

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-07-18 01:15am

Vorlon1701 wrote:Who?

Robin Williams. He went on a big spiel about how pot is NOT an "empowering" drug.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-07-18 01:33am

Ah, thanks for clearing it up, I think I heard it somewheres...

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2003-07-18 09:59am

How about we blame the bible?

"God told me to do it", how many times is that heard?

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-07-18 01:25pm

Zoink wrote:How about we blame the bible?

"God told me to do it", how many times is that heard?

I've noticed that you hear that a lot more often these days then "The Devil made me do it"... interesting, no?

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2003-07-18 01:34pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote: I've noticed that you hear that a lot more often these days then "The Devil made me do it"... interesting, no?

Indeed.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-07-18 02:00pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:
Zoink wrote:How about we blame the bible?

"God told me to do it", how many times is that heard?
I've noticed that you hear that a lot more often these days then "The Devil made me do it"... interesting, no?

Though when you ask other Christians, they would probably say that it wasn't really God that made those people kill, it was really Satan tricking them.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-07-18 02:14pm

neoolong wrote:
DPDarkPrimus wrote:
Zoink wrote:How about we blame the bible?

"God told me to do it", how many times is that heard?
I've noticed that you hear that a lot more often these days then "The Devil made me do it"... interesting, no?
Though when you ask other Christians, they would probably say that it wasn't really God that made those people kill, it was really Satan tricking them.

They always have an excuse, don't they? I think it'd be phunny if they all found out YHWH was really Satan all along (or that Satan is really the Good Guy). After all, every bit of evidence about Christianity verily screams it!

EDIT: section in parentheses added.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-07-18 02:15pm

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote: They always have an excuse, don't they? I think it'd be phunny if they all found out YHWH was really Satan all along. After all, every bit of evidence about Christianity verily screams it!

I highly doubt that, Satan didn't exist in YHWH's original world

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-07-18 02:17pm

Vorlon1701 wrote:
Einhander Sn0m4n wrote: They always have an excuse, don't they? I think it'd be phunny if they all found out YHWH was really Satan all along. After all, every bit of evidence about Christianity verily screams it!
I highly doubt that, Satan didn't exist in YHWH's original world

Well that totally phux0rs things up, doesn't it?

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-07-18 03:03pm

"I say we take it a step further and blame everything bad on music! Hitler killed 6 million people because he listened to Slipknot the night before! Stalin purged because he listened to Slayer! The Crusaders were fans of Ozzy Osbourne! Pol Pot, Mao, Saddam, and bin Laden were all results of listening to Heavy Metal!"

Seriously, why do they use music, TV, and video games as some scapegoat for everything bad nowadays? Why not blame bad parenting, or irresponibility on the killer's part? Are we supposed to assume that these people were perfect little angels until the listened to some Heavy Metal, where they turned into cold-blodded murderers? Besides, millions of people play violent video games, lisetn to Heavy Metal, or see violoent movies. How come only a few deranged individuals are supposedly influenced by them to kill someone?

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-07-18 03:41pm

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:"I say we take it a step further and blame everything bad on music! Hitler killed 6 million people because he listened to Slipknot the night before! Stalin purged because he listened to Slayer! The Crusaders were fans of Ozzy Osbourne! Pol Pot, Mao, Saddam, and bin Laden were all results of listening to Heavy Metal!"

Seriously, why do they use music, TV, and video games as some scapegoat for everything bad nowadays? Why not blame bad parenting, or irresponibility on the killer's part? Are we supposed to assume that these people were perfect little angels until the listened to some Heavy Metal, where they turned into cold-blodded murderers? Besides, millions of people play violent video games, lisetn to Heavy Metal, or see violoent movies. How come only a few deranged individuals are supposedly influenced by them to kill someone?

They use music as a scapegoat so they won't have to take the blame themselves. Another trend I notice: this society is evolving away from one of personal responsibility and 'Love Thy Neighbor' into one of placing-blame-for-money-gain and 'Murder the Heathens'.

Honestly, I don't see the current state of affairs lasting fifty years without either societal paralysis or a really bloody revolution. Too much greed, hate, Fundies, Taxes, Pigopolies, and Lawyers.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-07-20 11:01am

Saurencaerthai wrote:
Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Saurencaerthai wrote:Funny, the lyrics from the band Zyklon even go into ethnic cleansing, and you don't see me committing genocide...
And that's before we mention the likes of Burzum, Graveland and Nokturnal Mortum....
Alot of Zyklon's lyrics were actually done by Bard Eithun!

And he has anything to do with any of the bands I mentioned???

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-07-20 12:58pm

Why is this whole debate reminding me of the Lyrics to a Warren Zevon song.....

actually hold on I can go back a few hundred years and find songs about murder, robbery, etc.

Anyone notice that "Blow the man down." is about kidnapping,
There's a number of "Highwayman Balads" from the 16th through 18th century.

There's "Maddy Groaves" which involves Adultry, Rape by Cooercine (Sleep with me or ELSE), Murder and coverups.

it's not music that is plainly clear to anyone outside of Fox news.

Baron Scarpia · Post by **Baron Scarpia** » 2003-07-22 01:44pm

Stravinsky's "The Rite of Spring" sparked a huge fist-fight at its premiere in Paris in 1912, and it spilled out into the streets, causing a riot.

Suppose we should ban Stravinsky then?

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-07-22 02:54pm

Baron Scarpia wrote:Stravinsky's "The Rite of Spring" sparked a huge fist-fight at its premiere in Paris in 1912, and it spilled out into the streets, causing a riot.

Suppose we should ban Stravinsky then?

This reminds me of something....

Due to Richard Wagner's connections to the Nazis, his music is still banned in Israel. Or so I've heard. There's definately a lot of Israeli musicians who refuse to perform Wagner.

Also, during WW2, American radio stations weren't allowed to play Wagner either....

Baron Scarpia · Post by **Baron Scarpia** » 2003-07-22 03:06pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Baron Scarpia wrote:Stravinsky's "The Rite of Spring" sparked a huge fist-fight at its premiere in Paris in 1912, and it spilled out into the streets, causing a riot.

Suppose we should ban Stravinsky then?
This reminds me of something....

Due to Richard Wagner's connections to the Nazis, his music is still banned in Israel. Or so I've heard. There's definately a lot of Israeli musicians who refuse to perform Wagner.

Also, during WW2, American radio stations weren't allowed to play Wagner either....

Just plain stupid. Wagner died in 1883, so there's no connection between him and the Nazis. Hell, the Nazis loved Bruckner, Brahms, Beethoven and Mozart, too. I don't see anyone making a move to shun their music.

I doubt Wagner is banned in Israel...I have seen recordings of Zubin Mehta conducting the Israel Phil in Wagner. Any musician who refuses to play Wagner because of Nazism deserves a swift kick in the ass for being dumb.