Starwars-type holograms are REAL!

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-09-19 06:13pm

Gil Hamilton wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Something like total immersion video games in Red Dwarf would be a better idea. I'd rather have information fed directly into my brain through a headset than have to go through surgery to get something put into my eyes so I can see stuff I can't even touch...
Um, those total immersion games are powerfully addictive and don't let you leave them. You become a wirehead, and you are going to need a loved one to bath and feed you for the rest of your life.

Just because a certain title is dangerous doesn't mean the actual format is.

What I meant was an extrapolation based on as they were depicted in the TV show (episodes "Better Than Life," "Back to Reality," "Gunmen of the Apocalypse," and "Stoke Me a Clipper"), where total immersion and artificial reality are the formats and Better Than Life is one of the top TI sellers and less dangerous than its book counterpart.

I was also just refering to the TI/AR formats and delivery systems themselves, and not to any of the actual games.

The book version of Better Than Life was only dangerous because of how it was programmed and designed, since it gave no indication that what you were experiancing was artificial. The format and delivery system of such artificial reality devices and their games are safe if they are designed safely, with considerations given to user interface, physical monitoring, and presentation.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-09-19 06:52pm

Plus if the hallucination from the giant squid is to be believed, the Red Dwarf crew had life support like services for the game anyway since they were on it so long. Addiction would be the only real problem, but that could be contained through will power. Escapism can be very powerful at times.

I would like to see some large scale versions of this holoscreen though.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-09-19 08:21pm

Keep in mind I've only seen the first season of Red Dwarf the TV show and am more familiar with the book version. In the book Red Dwarf, all Total Immersion games would make you a wire head, just that Better Than Life was the worst of the lot of them.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-09-19 09:59pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
The book version of Better Than Life was only dangerous because of how it was programmed and designed, since it gave no indication that what you were experiancing was artificial. The format and delivery system of such artificial reality devices and their games are safe if they are designed safely, with considerations given to user interface, physical monitoring, and presentation.

Are you sure about that, because IIRC, it was so addictive because it found out what your deep-down needs and desires were, and you wouldn't want to go out of that.

I remember Rimmer being Jealous of the Cat's superb imagination that constructed a vast castle in his own country or something.

Then, when Rimmer's mind broke everything, that's when they wanted to leave(inserting a toxic waste plant in the town from A Wonderful Life for example)

They tried to make follow up games that weren't so addictive by giving you what you wanted when you thought of it, but these were shallow and unfulfilling.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-09-20 08:08am

The funny thing about Cat's Castle in Better Than Life was that even though it was staffed by huge breasted Valkyree and had famous rock preformers singing his meal song and the rivers of milk and all that is that despite how rediculously and unrealistic it was, it never occured to Cat that it wasn't real and that he didn't deserved it.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-09-20 11:07am

Gil Hamilton wrote:The funny thing about Cat's Castle in Better Than Life was that even though it was staffed by huge breasted Valkyree and had famous rock preformers singing his meal song and the rivers of milk and all that is that despite how rediculously and unrealistic it was, it never occured to Cat that it wasn't real and that he didn't deserved it.

Cat's ego > reality.

Metrion Cascade · Post by **Metrion Cascade** » 2003-09-25 02:44am

At last...

Can you imagine the porn?

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-09-25 04:56am

Red Dwarf

Isn't that some odd sci fi series on a 10 dollar budget?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-09-25 05:02am

Pretty much.

RD is a British science fiction comedy series that currently has eight seasons complete and a feature film in the works.

You're most likely refering to the show as it was during its first two seasons, which were quite low budget. The budget got higher and the production values improved as the show progressed starting in the third season.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-09-25 05:22am

3rd Impact wrote:Oooh, shiny. If you could manufacture small portable emitters, maybe they could be a substitute for books (displaying text) or TVs (displaying images)

Why? They'd offer no advantages, and be extremely expensive.

I don't know about any possible military/industrial/medical or other technical applications, but I see this being best for advertisements, in-store displays, and toys for rich people. It'll be a long time coming before they're cheap enough to replace other forms of visual media just for the hell of it.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2003-09-25 10:02am

Robert Treder wrote: Why? They'd offer no advantages, and be extremely expensive.

what do you mean they´d have no advantages. they´d have similar advantages to the advantages of note books and cell phones. you can take them along.
they´re better than notebooks because notebooks are still fucking big. imagine a 27 inch display which when turned off has the size of a cell phone.

Alnilam · Post by **Alnilam** » 2003-09-25 12:10pm

VERY,VERY cool.It seems the "holo TV" of some Sci-fi novels will be true soon.
And don't worry,One day,we'll have cyberoptics and other Cyberpunk-like stuff.Just let technology to advance

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2003-09-25 04:04pm

kojikun wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Something like total immersion video games in Red Dwarf would be a better idea. I'd rather have information fed directly into my brain through a headset than have to go through surgery to get something put into my eyes so I can see stuff I can't even touch...
That would be nice, but the technology for direct connections like that is just way too far off. Right now, atleast we have rudimentary optical implants. We have no rudimentary neural interfaces.

I'd say the DAVS (DoBelle Artificial Vision System) actually constitutes both.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-09-25 04:23pm

Raoul Duke, Jr. wrote:I'd say the DAVS (DoBelle Artificial Vision System) actually constitutes both.

I've seen documentaries on that. It's a neat system, but the resolution is piss poor, and the interface is very rudimentary, relying on electrical area stimulation rather then wire-nerve interfacing. They still haven't found a way to have a nerve connect to a wire and vice versa with any efficiency.