Scary fundie quotes

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 04:08pm

SirNitram wrote:Alright. My power forever changes the nature of reality itself, ergo I too am perfect and beyond morality. Therefore, what I say is right and you are a dipshit.

So you think you're God now?

Hmmm... http://www.nimh.nih.gov/

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-11 04:11pm

SirNitram be praised! SirNitram loves all! SirNitram showereth us with virgins, beer and pizza!

SirNitram faileth not, nor doth he speak falsehoods! SirNitram's shit don't stink! WHY? because he is SirNitram!

Replace the name "SirNitram" with "God," and we have your argument.
Or lack thereof.

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 04:11pm

Thirdfain wrote:You have already conceded that God is a murderer, who has no morals. How is this NOT evil? How is this LOVE?

God may have committed acts which are immoral to us, but that doesn't make Him evil. As I have already stated numerous times, God is above morality and no mortal creature can judge Him.

He is not evil precisely because no one can declare Him evil and have that judgement actually change the nature of God.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-05-11 04:11pm

EvilGrey wrote:
SirNitram wrote:Alright. My power forever changes the nature of reality itself, ergo I too am perfect and beyond morality. Therefore, what I say is right and you are a dipshit.

So you think you're God now?

Hmmm... http://www.nimh.nih.gov/

No, I'm not God. However, according to Visions perpetuated against Christians(Which, apparantly, is the basis of your religion), I am the Dreamer, The Source, the Remaker. I am He Who Heralds The Change, I am the one who prepares reality for what's next. The titles are amusing, but apparantly I'm the one whose going to remake the world in preparation for the next battle of Good and Evil. The return of magic into the world, warping of creatures into monsters, and propelling mankind into infinite space.

Which, I suppose, means I'm rather excused from everything, moral wise, according to your religion.

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 04:12pm

Hobot wrote:
EvilGrey wrote:
So, explain to me: How is he perfect and infallible?
Better yet, how is he any different from the Muslim Allah, who is Perfect and Infallible?
Allah is a variation of the God concept, and a most vile one at that. God is love, not blind devotion and senseless ritual.
How is God love if he has no qualms about commiting genocide, infanticide, and other hateful acts?

I've elucidated upon this already. Go back and reread!

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-11 04:12pm

Then how can God be love? If you can't be judged as evil, then you can't be judged as good, either.

NapoleonGH · Post by **NapoleonGH** » 2003-05-11 04:13pm

EvilGrey wrote: And finally, the only one here making unsubstantiated claims are the atheists, whose ignorance of religious philosophy causes them to throw strawmans and fallacious arguments at me.

Show me one strawman, show me one fallacious argument, even better show one claim made thus far that is not true.

Now please argue using reason and logic and try to think about your bible from an unbiased point of view, dont let your belief structure get in the way of your logic in this argument. Saying god cannot be immoral because he is above human morality, ok. What about human's following god's commands? God tells people not to kill, then he orders them to do so, in the OT rape is condoned, as is slavery, incest is condoned (who did Cain have kids with if not with a sister or is mother?).

Now i really want to see you prove to us that evolution and literal bibilical interpretation are not completely incompatable, doesnt Genesis 1 and 2 get in the way?

Also show us that the bible doesnt support young earth theory, see in the bible they give a detailed list of geneologies up until people who we have other ways of knowing when they were supposedly around like the potentially ficticious jesus christ, those geneologies can give us a very accurate way of knowing when things happened, and unless all those people lived for about a million years a piece then the bible suggests that the earth is considerably younger than it is.

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 04:13pm

SirNitram wrote:
EvilGrey wrote:
SirNitram wrote:Alright. My power forever changes the nature of reality itself, ergo I too am perfect and beyond morality. Therefore, what I say is right and you are a dipshit.

So you think you're God now?

Hmmm... http://www.nimh.nih.gov/
No, I'm not God. However, according to Visions perpetuated against Christians(Which, apparantly, is the basis of your religion), I am the Dreamer, The Source, the Remaker. I am He Who Heralds The Change, I am the one who prepares reality for what's next. The titles are amusing, but apparantly I'm the one whose going to remake the world in preparation for the next battle of Good and Evil. The return of magic into the world, warping of creatures into monsters, and propelling mankind into infinite space.

Which, I suppose, means I'm rather excused from everything, moral wise, according to your religion.

Nope. You're just a delusional mortal with finite powers.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-05-11 04:14pm

I'm sorry, your God just doesn't live up to my humanist code of morality.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-05-11 04:14pm

EvilGrey wrote: Nope. You're just a delusional mortal with finite powers.

Nah, I embrace logic and Deism, not Christianity, so I can't be the delusional one in this conversasion.

I never said I believed that screed, little one. I just said it's just another peice of debris out of your little tribal myth.

NapoleonGH · Post by **NapoleonGH** » 2003-05-11 04:15pm

Thirdfain wrote:Then how can God be love? If you can't be judged as evil, then you can't be judged as good, either.

excelent point man, if we cannot judge god to be evil, how can we judge him to be good, it must work both ways.

also evil, you claim nitram is delusional for claiming his own supernatural existance, but how is Jesus any different? doesnt he claim to have a supernatural existance without any substantiated proof beyond a few books writen decades after he was supposedly killed by people who never even met him?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-05-11 04:15pm

Nope. You're just a delusional mortal with finite powers.

How do you know that? The argument for the Black Mage's divinity is essentially the same as your argument for God, so why is one more true than the other?

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-11 04:18pm

How do you know that? The argument for the Black Mage's divinity is essentially the same as your argument for God, so why is one more true than the other?

On that note I should point out that the arguments for the divinity of Allah, Yaweh, Shiva, Buddha, Ameratsu, Odin and fuckin' Zeus are all the same as your argument for God. How come your particular set of tribal myths is true, while the other ancient, unproven, irrational tribal myths are wrong?

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 04:19pm

NapoleonGH wrote:Show me one strawman, show me one fallacious argument, even better show one claim made thus far that is not true.

Everything you've said is BS. You sound like someone who took an introductory course in philosophy in college and walked about a bitter, God-hating atheist.

Now please argue using reason and logic and try to think about your bible from an unbiased point of view, dont let your belief structure get in the way of your logic in this argument. Saying god cannot be immoral because he is above human morality, ok. What about human's following god's commands? God tells people not to kill, then he orders them to do so, in the OT rape is condoned, as is slavery, incest is condoned (who did Cain have kids with if not with a sister or is mother?).

The OT is no longer applicable to modern Christians. Quote from NT.

Now i really want to see you prove to us that evolution and literal bibilical interpretation are not completely incompatable, doesnt Genesis 1 and 2 get in the way?

Genesis does not explicitly state the manner in which God created everything.

Also show us that the bible doesnt support young earth theory, see in the bible they give a detailed list of geneologies up until people who we have other ways of knowing when they were supposedly around like the potentially ficticious jesus christ, those geneologies can give us a very accurate way of knowing when things happened, and unless all those people lived for about a million years a piece then the bible suggests that the earth is considerably younger than it is.

Have you considered the possibility that God manifested a 13+ billion year-old universe only several thousand years ago?

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 04:20pm

Thirdfain wrote:
How do you know that? The argument for the Black Mage's divinity is essentially the same as your argument for God, so why is one more true than the other?
On that note I should point out that the arguments for the divinity of Allah, Yaweh, Shiva, Buddha, Ameratsu, Odin and fuckin' Zeus are all the same as your argument for God. How come your particular set of triable myths is true, while the other ancient, unproven, irrational tribal myths are wrong?

I believe in the notion of religious pluralism.

All lofty religions say the same thing: Believe in God or perish.

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 04:21pm

Durran Korr wrote:I'm sorry, your God just doesn't live up to my humanist code of morality.

It doesn't mean you're a lost cause so long as your personal morality accords more or less with Christian morality.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-05-11 04:21pm

EvilGrey wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:
How do you know that? The argument for the Black Mage's divinity is essentially the same as your argument for God, so why is one more true than the other?
On that note I should point out that the arguments for the divinity of Allah, Yaweh, Shiva, Buddha, Ameratsu, Odin and fuckin' Zeus are all the same as your argument for God. How come your particular set of triable myths is true, while the other ancient, unproven, irrational tribal myths are wrong?
I believe in the notion of religious pluralism.

All lofty religions say the same thing: Believe in God or perish.

Not really. Buddhism doesn't, nor does most of the Roman religions, nor do the tribal myths of Manx, etc etc etc...

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 04:24pm

NapoleonGH wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:Then how can God be love? If you can't be judged as evil, then you can't be judged as good, either.
excelent point man, if we cannot judge god to be evil, how can we judge him to be good, it must work both ways.

God is amoral, but in virtue of His perfection and infallibity we might as well consider Him to be good.

also evil, you claim nitram is delusional for claiming his own supernatural existance, but how is Jesus any different? doesnt he claim to have a supernatural existance without any substantiated proof beyond a few books writen decades after he was supposedly killed by people who never even met him?

Bleh. I don't believe in the Bible literally, so I don't really care. However, I do know that Sir is a delusional nutcase because he isn't smart enough to be an enlightened man the likes of Jesus or Buddha.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-11 04:24pm

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All lofty religions say the same thing: Believe in God or perish.

I agree. All religeons are equally ridiculous.

Everything you've said is BS. You sound like someone who took an introductory course in philosophy in college and walked about a bitter, God-hating atheist.

you know, I've been an Atheist since I was born. My folks aren't religeous, and never took me to church. They tought me to be nice to other kids, to not lie, cheat, or steal. They told me that everyone else was pretty much the same as I was, and that I should think about that before I insulted someone else. I am very happy with my life. I walk between classes every day, smiling in the spring sun. I flirt with pretty girls, exercise at the gym three days a week, chill with my friends, and play video games at night before I go to bed. I don't hate "God," anymore than I hate the bogeyman, or that creature from the movie "Aliens." I live a happy, contented, peaceful life, made all the sweeter by the knowledge that it is my one and only chance, and that every second I live is something I should cherish.

Bitter? not me!

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 04:24pm

SirNitram wrote:
EvilGrey wrote:
Thirdfain wrote: On that note I should point out that the arguments for the divinity of Allah, Yaweh, Shiva, Buddha, Ameratsu, Odin and fuckin' Zeus are all the same as your argument for God. How come your particular set of triable myths is true, while the other ancient, unproven, irrational tribal myths are wrong?
I believe in the notion of religious pluralism.

All lofty religions say the same thing: Believe in God or perish.
Not really. Buddhism doesn't, nor does most of the Roman religions, nor do the tribal myths of Manx, etc etc etc...

I said lofty religions.

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 04:25pm

Thirdfain wrote:you know, I've been an Atheist since I was born. My folks aren't religeous, and never took me to church. They tought me to be nice to other kids, to not lie, cheat, or steal. They told me that everyone else was pretty much the same as I was, and that I should think about that before I insulted someone else. I am very happy with my life. I walk between classes every day, smiling in the spring sun. I flirt with pretty girls, exercise at the gym three days a week, chill with my friends, and play video games at night before I go to bed. I don't hate "God," anymore than I hate the bogeyman, or that creature from the movie "Aliens." I live a happy, contented, peaceful life, made all the sweeter by the knowledge that it is my one and only chance, and that every second I live is something I should cherish.

Bitter? not me!

Good for you! There might be some hope for you yet!

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-05-11 04:27pm

EvilGrey wrote: I said lofty religions.

So by Lofty you mean The Vast Minority Which Is Based Around Killing People.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-05-11 04:27pm

Everything you've said is BS. You sound like someone who took an introductory course in philosophy in college and walked about a bitter, God-hating atheist.

Give me a fucking break. The majority of us do not buy into Nietzsche, believe it or not.

The OT is no longer applicable to modern Christians. Quote from NT.

Proof? Jesus was quite vague as to what in the OT was to be thrown out and what was to be kept. In any case, he certainly didn't stop Christians from using the OT to justify atrocities.

Have you considered the possibility that God manifested a 13+ billion year-old universe only several thousand years ago?

Have you ever heard of a scientific principle called Occam's Razor? Don't add unnecessary entities to the equation while trying to explain things, it says. God is an unnecessary entity; we do not know that he exists, and we can explain the existence of our universe without appealing to some supernatural being.

It doesn't mean you're a lost cause so long as your personal morality accords more or less with Christian morality.

Well, I don't approve of killing babies, violent hatred, and sending anyone who happens to disagree with me to suffer eternally, so I guess I am a lost cause.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-11 04:28pm

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How do you know that? The argument for the Black Mage's divinity is essentially the same as your argument for God, so why is one more true than the other?

On that note I should point out that the arguments for the divinity of Allah, Yaweh, Shiva, Buddha, Ameratsu, Odin and fuckin' Zeus are all the same as your argument for God. How come your particular set of triable myths is true, while the other ancient, unproven, irrational tribal myths are wrong?

you know, you never answered that question. Nice dodge, tex, but I think you are gonna have to take the bullet this time. Answer my question:

How come your particular set of tribal myths is true, while the other ancient, unproven, irrational tribal myths are wrong?

Answer it, or admit that your mythological creature is fallible.

NapoleonGH · Post by **NapoleonGH** » 2003-05-11 04:29pm

EvilGrey wrote: Everything you've said is BS. You sound like someone who took an introductory course in philosophy in college and walked about a bitter, God-hating atheist.

The OT is no longer applicable to modern Christians. Quote from NT.

Genesis does not explicitly state the manner in which God created everything.

Have you considered the possibility that God manifested a 13+ billion year-old universe only several thousand years ago?

1. Nope been an atheist since i realized i didnt want to worship a mass murderer who has no proof of his existance. I am a logical empiricist, i need empirical evidence of something's existance before i accept it. God has no empirical evidence to prove his existance, thus why the hell should I bother to accept his existance?

2. So then JESUS lied to us when he said that the OT was all true and that he wasnt going to change the "laws of the prophits"? interesting, so then you selectively follow god's commands but not others?

3. It most certainly give you the exact order in which he does, and that order is dead wrong according to evolution, plus if you say god + evolution then you are adding un-necessary complexity. It also says that adam was created from dust, taht is pretty explicit dont you think?

4. No, because you are still left with god creating everything in 6 days, including adam, which means that he created the Heavens and the earth, 6000 or so years and 6 days ago.