But what if you are wrong?

[pecker]

Well, if we assume doing what the devil wants sends you to hell, and hell is the most unpleasant place in existence, he can't have all that good intentions for me...

Of course, that's assuming that hell is the most unpleasant place in existence, which is exactly the kind of scare tactic you'd expect from a decietful fallen angel trying to convince people to follow them instead of the One True God.

He's a bastatd, ain't he

[Utsanomiko]

Well, if we assume doing what the devil wants sends you to hell, and hell is the most unpleasant place in existence, he can't have all that good intentions for me...

Of course, that's assuming that hell is the most unpleasant place in existence, which is exactly the kind of scare tactic you'd expect from a decietful fallen angel trying to convince people to follow them instead of the One True God.

Bingo.

Having faith in what's obviously good is one thing, having faith on whether or not it's actually good or not is nothing but a very risky gamble. But I have no interest in looking at the world by the bible's definition, and fortunately people are (or at least can be) stronger/smarter than that, though its plain to see that many of them just sadly aren't sometimes.

[neoolong]

Well, if we assume doing what the devil wants sends you to hell, and hell is the most unpleasant place in existence, he can't have all that good intentions for me...

Of course, that's assuming that hell is the most unpleasant place in existence, which is exactly the kind of scare tactic you'd expect from a decietful fallen angel trying to convince people to follow them instead of the One True God.

Hehe. The Bible is all propaganda that God put out so that Satan wouldn't get followers? Why would Satan want to torture people for doing stuff he wants. If he wants them down there he should make it a good place to be. It's just so fucking stupid to make it unpleasent, if you want people to go there. Yup, the Bible is all propaganda and scare tactics.

[pecker]

Well, if we assume doing what the devil wants sends you to hell, and hell is the most unpleasant place in existence, he can't have all that good intentions for me...

Of course, that's assuming that hell is the most unpleasant place in existence, which is exactly the kind of scare tactic you'd expect from a decietful fallen angel trying to convince people to follow them instead of the One True God.

Hehe. The Bible is all propaganda that God put out so that Satan wouldn't get followers? Why would Satan want to torture people for doing stuff he wants. If he wants them down there he should make it a good place to be. It's just so fucking stupid to make it unpleasent, if you want people to go there. Yup, the Bible is all propaganda and scare tactics.

But Satans' sadistic or something. He likes torturing people.

Although being a demon would be REALLY cool

[Coyote]

Actually, if God is true to form according to my beliefs, I'd say,

'Yotie: "Well, Okay, here I am. Do I have to put up with all the Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell types?"

God: "Are you on crack? They're in hard-core therapy. Talk about taking my name in vain!"

'Yotie: "Hm. 'Kay. Then what about all the Jesus--"

God: (rolls eyes) "Don't mention that name. You have no idea how tired I am of hearing that name! Man! Go to a party two-K years ago, meet some chick, get some fun, and they're still talkin' about it!"

'Yotie: "So I don't have to put up with those apostles, or crosses..?"

God: "Pfft! The apostles! Humorless pack of beureacrats, I've got them all doing data-entry."

'Yotie: "Hanging out in clouds, playing harps, wearing robes, singing hymns?"

God: "They really got to you, didn't they? Hanging out in beach villas, riding Harleys, wearing jeans... the only singing you do is in the shower, or if you like to get howling at the moon drunk. Dude, you know what heaven is all about?"

'Yotie: "Educate me..?"

God: "You're favorite beer. The Vyversicht Bar in Brunssom, Holland, just outside that NATO base in 1986. A sweet dark, right?"

'Yotie: "How'd you know? Oh. Yeah."

God: "Some advantages to being omnicient" (miniskirted enchantress appears, petite Israeli brunette, olive skin and deep, brown eyes who loves cartooning, Star Wars, camping and road trips. She carries a tray of my favorite sweet dark brew from Holland and sets herself in my lap, smiling radiantly).

'Yotie: (Unable to speak)

God: "Welcome to heaven, kiddo. Enjoy the ride."



--Now that's an afterlife!

[Utsanomiko]

Hehe. The Bible is all propaganda that God put out so that Satan wouldn't get followers? Why would Satan want to torture people for doing stuff he wants. If he wants them down there he should make it a good place to be. It's just so fucking stupid to make it unpleasent, if you want people to go there. Yup, the Bible is all propaganda and scare tactics.

Um, care to explain where you get your concepts of Heaven and Hell (or more specifically, Jehovah's kingdom and Lucifer's kingdom)?

That's right, the bible. Either Jehovah's truthful depiction of salvation or his deceptive depiction of damnation.

Everyone *knows* that Lucifer is our benevolent creator who wants us to live our lives to the fullest and be happy; It's his fallen angel Jehovah that's been trying to lead us astray from paradise; why do you think faith and dogma are against everything that makes us human?

Lucifer is god; Jehovah is the devil. and I KNOW Lucifer's love and forgiveness.

[neoolong]

Of course, that's assuming that hell is the most unpleasant place in existence, which is exactly the kind of scare tactic you'd expect from a decietful fallen angel trying to convince people to follow them instead of the One True God.

Hehe. The Bible is all propaganda that God put out so that Satan wouldn't get followers? Why would Satan want to torture people for doing stuff he wants. If he wants them down there he should make it a good place to be. It's just so fucking stupid to make it unpleasent, if you want people to go there. Yup, the Bible is all propaganda and scare tactics.

But Satans' sadistic or something. He likes torturing people.

Although being a demon would be REALLY cool

It's still a stupid reason. And you only get the biased view that he is a demon. He could be a really nice guy. It's just that God doesn't like him so he lets it be known that Satan is bad.

[neoolong]

Hehe. The Bible is all propaganda that God put out so that Satan wouldn't get followers? Why would Satan want to torture people for doing stuff he wants. If he wants them down there he should make it a good place to be. It's just so fucking stupid to make it unpleasent, if you want people to go there. Yup, the Bible is all propaganda and scare tactics.

Um, care to explain where you get your concepts of Heaven and Hell (or more specifically, Jehovah's kingdom and Lucifer's kingdom)?

That's right, the bible. Either Jehovah's truthful depiction of salvation or his deceptive depiction of damnation.

Everyone *knows* that Lucifer is our benevolent creator who wants us to live our lives to the fullest and be happy; It's his fallen angel Jehovah that's been trying to lead us astray from paradise; why do you think faith and dogma are against everything that makes us human?

Lucifer is god; Jehovah is the devil. and I KNOW Lucifer's love and forgiveness.

Uh was that question directed to me? Seems like you just answered it.

[Utsanomiko]

Hehe. The Bible is all propaganda that God put out so that Satan wouldn't get followers? Why would Satan want to torture people for doing stuff he wants. If he wants them down there he should make it a good place to be. It's just so fucking stupid to make it unpleasent, if you want people to go there. Yup, the Bible is all propaganda and scare tactics.

Um, care to explain where you get your concepts of Heaven and Hell (or more specifically, Jehovah's kingdom and Lucifer's kingdom)?

That's right, the bible. Either Jehovah's truthful depiction of salvation or his deceptive depiction of damnation.

Everyone *knows* that Lucifer is our benevolent creator who wants us to live our lives to the fullest and be happy; It's his fallen angel Jehovah that's been trying to lead us astray from paradise; why do you think faith and dogma are against everything that makes us human?

Lucifer is god; Jehovah is the devil. and I KNOW Lucifer's love and forgiveness.

Uh was that question directed to me? Seems like you just answered it.

Yeah, kind of. I was mostly just extrapolating about the absurdity of pure faith.

[neoolong]

Um, care to explain where you get your concepts of Heaven and Hell (or more specifically, Jehovah's kingdom and Lucifer's kingdom)?

That's right, the bible. Either Jehovah's truthful depiction of salvation or his deceptive depiction of damnation.

Everyone *knows* that Lucifer is our benevolent creator who wants us to live our lives to the fullest and be happy; It's his fallen angel Jehovah that's been trying to lead us astray from paradise; why do you think faith and dogma are against everything that makes us human?

Lucifer is god; Jehovah is the devil. and I KNOW Lucifer's love and forgiveness.

Uh was that question directed to me? Seems like you just answered it.

Yeah, kind of. I was mostly just extrapolating about the absurdity of pure faith.

Yup. The problem with no supporting evidence is that you can say it's to be taken at face value. Or you can swing the other way and say that it's just propaganda.

[pecker]

Hehe. The Bible is all propaganda that God put out so that Satan wouldn't get followers? Why would Satan want to torture people for doing stuff he wants. If he wants them down there he should make it a good place to be. It's just so fucking stupid to make it unpleasent, if you want people to go there. Yup, the Bible is all propaganda and scare tactics.

Um, care to explain where you get your concepts of Heaven and Hell (or more specifically, Jehovah's kingdom and Lucifer's kingdom)?

That's right, the bible. Either Jehovah's truthful depiction of salvation or his deceptive depiction of damnation.

Everyone *knows* that Lucifer is our benevolent creator who wants us to live our lives to the fullest and be happy; It's his fallen angel Jehovah that's been trying to lead us astray from paradise; why do you think faith and dogma are against everything that makes us human?

Lucifer is god; Jehovah is the devil. and I KNOW Lucifer's love and forgiveness.

So love and forgiveness are not a part of human nature?

[Utsanomiko]

Jehovah doesn't encourage love and forgiveness; that's just some extra crap that he constantly contradicts with everything else he does/says. He really just wants us to submit to authority.

[pecker]

Jehovah doesn't encourage love and forgiveness; that's just some extra crap that he constantly contradicts with everything else he does/says. He really just wants us to submit to authority.

...sure.

The density of some people amazes me.

[Darth Wong]

That didn't look like a rebuttal to me.

Tell me, exactly how does Jehovah encourage love and forgiveness? Through example? No; he's a murderous bastard, and he promises to even more ruthless in the afterlife. Through instruction? Hardly; he spends most of time instructing his followers to stamp out other religions, and even his relatively goody two-shoes son couldn't help but make the occasional reference to war, hatred of those who have different beliefs, and of course, eternal torment in the afterlife for the unworthy.

[jegs2]

...and even his relatively goody two-shoes son couldn't help but make the occasional reference to war, hatred of those who have different beliefs...

He did indeed say that those who rejected him as the Son of God would be condemned; that nobody can deny. He also spoke of wars and rumors of wars. Can't remember where he commanded anyone to hate those who held different beliefs...

[pecker]

That didn't look like a rebuttal to me.

Tell me, exactly how does Jehovah encourage love and forgiveness? Through example? No; he's a murderous bastard, and he promises to even more ruthless in the afterlife. Through instruction? Hardly; he spends most of time instructing his followers to stamp out other religions, and even his relatively goody two-shoes son couldn't help but make the occasional reference to war, hatred of those who have different beliefs, and of course, eternal torment in the afterlife for the unworthy.

It wasn't meant as a rebuttal. It was meant as an opinion.

[Durandal]

I remember when he told people to forsake their families for him. Clearly, he was simply an insane cult leader.

[Ghost Rider]

I wonder if he'll ever use a special Kool Aid mix

[Darth Wong]

I wonder if he'll ever use a special Kool Aid mix

Of course he will. They call it "Judgement Day" and they look forward to it.

[Durandal]

More like the wine at communion. I'm sure that the priest sprinkles a little powder in it when he "blesses" it.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

My question to all of you is this: "What if you are wrong? What will you say to Him on Judgement Day?"

My question to you is this: what if you are wrong and the real true god is Satan, Allah or Cthulhu?

If someone is going to believe 'just in case' a god might exist, why should he/she choose to believe in the Christian god rather than one of the multitude of others out there? Surely, 'just in case' requires belief in all gods, just in case the real one is some lesser known Hindu deity or some such.

Good point; that's why I chose the Aesir, Odin in particular (nope, has nothing to do with racism--those "Odinist" fuckers can go shove themselves into septic tanks and breathe deep. ) But for me, if it's going to be believing in a God as an alternative to disbelief (which personally seems rather boring to me) I'd rather believe there are some immortal and slightly-less-flawed but otherwise very easy to relate to people hanging out in a parallel dimension not too far from here, watching us and getting their booze on.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

I wonder if he'll ever use a special Kool Aid mix

"Don't leave the compound before you try the punch! It's a cult classic!" heh heh heh

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

Hehe. The Bible is all propaganda that God put out so that Satan wouldn't get followers? Why would Satan want to torture people for doing stuff he wants. If he wants them down there he should make it a good place to be. It's just so fucking stupid to make it unpleasent, if you want people to go there. Yup, the Bible is all propaganda and scare tactics.

Um, care to explain where you get your concepts of Heaven and Hell (or more specifically, Jehovah's kingdom and Lucifer's kingdom)?

That's right, the bible. Either Jehovah's truthful depiction of salvation or his deceptive depiction of damnation.

Everyone *knows* that Lucifer is our benevolent creator who wants us to live our lives to the fullest and be happy; It's his fallen angel Jehovah that's been trying to lead us astray from paradise; why do you think faith and dogma are against everything that makes us human?

Lucifer is god; Jehovah is the devil. and I KNOW Lucifer's love and forgiveness.

I hope you were joking, Oots, because that's just as stupid as Christianity. And quite possibly even more destructive.

[data_link]

Hehe. The Bible is all propaganda that God put out so that Satan wouldn't get followers? Why would Satan want to torture people for doing stuff he wants. If he wants them down there he should make it a good place to be. It's just so fucking stupid to make it unpleasent, if you want people to go there. Yup, the Bible is all propaganda and scare tactics.

Um, care to explain where you get your concepts of Heaven and Hell (or more specifically, Jehovah's kingdom and Lucifer's kingdom)?

That's right, the bible. Either Jehovah's truthful depiction of salvation or his deceptive depiction of damnation.

Everyone *knows* that Lucifer is our benevolent creator who wants us to live our lives to the fullest and be happy; It's his fallen angel Jehovah that's been trying to lead us astray from paradise; why do you think faith and dogma are against everything that makes us human?

Lucifer is god; Jehovah is the devil. and I KNOW Lucifer's love and forgiveness.

I hope you were joking, Oots, because that's just as stupid as Christianity. And quite possibly even more destructive.

You have some sort of problem recognizing obvious sarcasm?

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

Um, care to explain where you get your concepts of Heaven and Hell (or more specifically, Jehovah's kingdom and Lucifer's kingdom)?

That's right, the bible. Either Jehovah's truthful depiction of salvation or his deceptive depiction of damnation.

Everyone *knows* that Lucifer is our benevolent creator who wants us to live our lives to the fullest and be happy; It's his fallen angel Jehovah that's been trying to lead us astray from paradise; why do you think faith and dogma are against everything that makes us human?

Lucifer is god; Jehovah is the devil. and I KNOW Lucifer's love and forgiveness.

I hope you were joking, Oots, because that's just as stupid as Christianity. And quite possibly even more destructive.

You have some sort of problem recognizing obvious sarcasm?

I can never tell with Utsanomiko -- he's very good at subtlety.