What's your opinion on Kevlar?

[C.S.Strowbridge]

Whats your fucking point? WHY SOUND'T HE BE ABLE TO BUY A VEST IF HE WANTS? WHY, STATE SOMETHING SPECIFIC. YOU’RE THE ONE AGAINST VEST BEING LEGAL, BACK IT UP.

ANSWER THIS QUESTION OR SHUT THE FUCK UP

I have, repeatedly.

Here is it.

Percent of guns bought each year that are stolen. 3.896%
Percent change of the average Joe getting shot and killed: 0.00367%

If BPV as stolen at the same rate as guns, and I see no logical reason to doubt that, number of BPV stolen per oppurtunity to save a live: 1000+

I think that's pretty damn convincing.

You don't need a BPV. Criminals would love to steal yours. That's the basics, and it seems to be backed up by the data we have.

[C.S.Strowbridge]

Buying guns doesn't make you safer, it arms the criminals.

Then where the fuck do all the stories in the NRA's Armed Citizen Column
Come from?

It's ancedotal evidence. It comes from ancedotes.

[haas mark]

Whats your fucking point? WHY SOUND'T HE BE ABLE TO BUY A VEST IF HE WANTS? WHY, STATE SOMETHING SPECIFIC. YOU’RE THE ONE AGAINST VEST BEING LEGAL, BACK IT UP.

ANSWER THIS QUESTION OR SHUT THE FUCK UP

I have, repeatedly.

Here is it.

Percent of guns bought each year that are stolen. 3.896%
Percent change of the average Joe getting shot and killed: 0.00367%

If BPV as stolen at the same rate as guns, and I see no logical reason to doubt that, number of BPV stolen per oppurtunity to save a live: 1000+

I think that's pretty damn convincing.

You don't need a BPV. Criminals would love to steal yours. That's the basics, and it seems to be backed up by the data we have.

Numbers do not suffice as a reason. When you come up with some hard evidence that BPVs will, in fact, be stolen at the same rate as guns, then maybe someone will believe you. But until you come up with an answer that is not numbers, then we will be forced to ground you into a whiny pulp.

And it's not convincing. You are just too stuck in your little HOLE to realize what the real world is like - cold and cruel.

[haas mark]

Buying guns doesn't make you safer, it arms the criminals.

Then where the fuck do all the stories in the NRA's Armed Citizen Column
Come from?

It's ancedotal evidence. It comes from ancedotes.

Cite the anecdotes.

[C.S.Strowbridge]

0.00367%, verses the chance that BPV will be stolen.

Just to give you some more number ....

300,000 guns are stolen anually.
In the year 2000 7.7 million gun applications were made.
So 3.896% of guns bought are stolen, anually.

So, if the same pattern holds true to BPV, and I see no logical reason why it wouldn't, each BPV would be 1000 times more likely to be stolen then to have the oppurtunity to save your life.

Are you starting to understand?

So zero guns are stolen from stores or the Police or the manufactures? I've got a big list of tv stations and newspapers you need to contact.

Wow, where did you read that? I certainly didn't say it.

But I guess you can't argue against me, so you'll argue with yourself. As known as a Strawman.

Has the fact that a Vest is massively larger factored into your little delusion yet?

There also wearable. Break into someone house, find the BPV, put it on, leave. Very little encombrance and doesn't take up any room in your big bag of loot.

[haas mark]

0.00367%, verses the chance that BPV will be stolen.

Just to give you some more number ....

300,000 guns are stolen anually.
In the year 2000 7.7 million gun applications were made.
So 3.896% of guns bought are stolen, anually.

So, if the same pattern holds true to BPV, and I see no logical reason why it wouldn't, each BPV would be 1000 times more likely to be stolen then to have the oppurtunity to save your life.

Are you starting to understand?

So zero guns are stolen from stores or the Police or the manufactures? I've got a big list of tv stations and newspapers you need to contact.

Wow, where did you read that? I certainly didn't say it.

But I guess you can't argue against me, so you'll argue with yourself. As known as a Strawman.

I think your implications were enough. YOu stated that guns were stolen when people were not there. People are always at police stations and manufacturers. Therefore, your logic is not correct.

Has the fact that a Vest is massively larger factored into your little delusion yet?

There also wearable. Break into someone house, find the BPV, put it on, leave. Very little encombrance and doesn't take up any room in your big bag of loot.

Why would it be left at home, if it is such a little encumbrance? Plus, you have to add in the safety factor.

[C.S.Strowbridge]

Says you. But we're not talking about guns, were talking about BPVs. Better to have one of those (safe) than get shot in the heart without one (sorry).

1000 times more likely that it will get stolen then it will save your live.

0.00367%, verses the chance that BPV will be stolen.

Which is...? Doesn't matter. Split seconds do.

And if the criminal is wearing someone else's BPV he stole?

Cite evidence.

I just did. You don't like it, so you must ignore it.

[C.S.Strowbridge]

More people care about gun deaths than obesity.

And that would make them stupid.

Why, because they care more about violence in the street rather than starving?

Cause the care more about a fairy tale than they do about real life.

I could say the same to you. Many murders are not even reported. YOu have yet to live in the suburbs where murder is a way of life.

Prove many murders are not reported. Prove that it is your way of life.

BTW, I lived in the suburbs for more that a decade. I've lived in rural areas, I've lived in urban areas.

[haas mark]

Says you. But we're not talking about guns, were talking about BPVs. Better to have one of those (safe) than get shot in the heart without one (sorry).

1000 times more likely that it will get stolen then it will save your live.

CITE IT FUCKER. Oh, wait, you can't....you admitted that. Which makes your "evidence" falsifiable.

0.00367%, verses the chance that BPV will be stolen.

Which is...? Doesn't matter. Split seconds do.

And if the criminal is wearing someone else's BPV he stole?

Aim for the head. And don't tell me how I will/will not react either, because YOU DONT KNOW.

Cite evidence.

I just did. You don't like it, so you must ignore it.

I didn't see anything there, just bullshit. Cite it.

[Evil Sadistic Bastard]

I have, repeatedly.

Verbal diarrhoea does not constitute an answer.

Here is it.

Here is shit. And you lack the grasp of grammar most four year olds would have.

Percent of guns bought each year that are stolen. 3.896%
Percent change of the average Joe getting shot and killed: 0.00367%

Statistics. Kindly translate into argument or shut the fuck up.

If BPV as stolen at the same rate as guns, and I see no logical reason to doubt that, number of BPV stolen per oppurtunity to save a live: 1000+

Assumption of CSS-wannabe: BPV stolen at same rate as guns.
INCORRECT! Guns are easier to steal than BPVs. Logic dictates that one would steal something directly helpful over something that is indirectly helpful, given that all other factors are equal.

Therefore guns will be stolen at a much higher rate than BPVs, as syou can't rob someone with a BPV. CSS-wannabe must imagine that said robbers go"Stick 'em up, I've got Kevlar!"

I think that's pretty damn convincing.

You can think? Amazing feat for a pile of pond scum.

You don't need a BPV.

No I don't, because I live in a country where guns are not needed. But I would have one if I lived in a rough neighbourhood. Please refrain from overgeneralizing.

Criminals would love to steal yours. That's the basics, and it seems to be backed up by the data we have.

Oooh, Mr. Perp would steal my vest over my valuables! Mr. Perp wants to protect himself at the risk of being caught BEFORE the vest can be of any help! Mr. Perp is as stupid as CSS-wannabe is!

You ASSUME your data backs up your "conclusions". Why not, if your "conclusion" was merely flexible facts wrapped around a lot of hot air?

DUNT DUNT DUNT
Another one bites the dust
DUNT DUNT DUNT
Another troll bites the dust
Yeah another one falls another falls
Another one bites the dust
Wannabe is mad he cries to his dad
ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST

[haas mark]

And that would make them stupid.

Why, because they care more about violence in the street rather than starving?

Cause the care more about a fairy tale than they do about real life.

If a fairy tale is surviving, then that's what we all live everyday.

Murder rates drop 20% in the 90's.
Murder coverage increased 600% during the same time.

Don't believe everything you see on the news.

I could say the same to you. Many murders are not even reported. YOu have yet to live in the suburbs where murder is a way of life.

Prove many murders are not reported. Prove that it is your way of life.

BTW, I lived in the suburbs for more that a decade. I've lived in rural areas, I've lived in urban areas.

I've lived in suburbs my entire life. I know quite a bit more than you do, I assure you. Did you go to a nice public school as a kid, or a shitty one or ten as I did?

[C.S.Strowbridge]

By that reasoning, why should I wear a seatbelt? I've never been in an accident, and I surely don't intent to get in one, so why bother? Oh, wait, because I'm in a situation where it could save my life!

Automobilie accidents are the leading cause of death amoung people ages 5 - 24, and in the top ten in ALL age ranges. It's a very real possibility.

So is the possibility of getting shot with a gun.

No it's not. BPV preventable gun violence is never the #1 killer. (Suicides don't count, for obvious reasons.

Why don't you step outside your comfort zone? GO to the poorer parts of wherever the hell you live and tell me, how often do you hear a police siren? How often do you see opressed people?

I live in the poorer part of town. I am poor. Even in the wosrt of the worse you're going to be hard pressed to find a place with more gun murders per population that guns stolen per gun purchased.

If you did, the population would be shrinking at an alarming rate.

Cite evidence that Kevlar vests will follow the same trend.

I can't, cause it's not common enough to have it's own crime statistics. Unlike the 100 million guns in the States.

[C.S.Strowbridge]

Wearing or not wearing a seatbelt is not going to effect criminals in any way. But, if BPV follow the same pattern as guns, they will be 1000 times more likely to end up in the hands of criminals than have the opputunity to save your life.

Seatbelts save the lives of car thieves involved in 100 MPH colissions with
the police, so we shoudl do away with them!

Great logic, Strowey!

That's your logic, not mine.

Or, to use more technical terms. Strawman.

[C.S.Strowbridge]

This is true. But it has nothing real to do with the situation.

Yes it does. They are trained in how to use a gun in a hostile situation. You average citiczen is not.

So? When are the polioce your average citizen? Try again.

Police = Red Herring. You fucking moron.

[haas mark]

So is the possibility of getting shot with a gun.

No it's not. BPV preventable gun violence is never the #1 killer. (Suicides don't count, for obvious reasons.

Getting shot with a gun isn't a real possibilty? Please.

Why don't you step outside your comfort zone? GO to the poorer parts of wherever the hell you live and tell me, how often do you hear a police siren? How often do you see opressed people?

I live in the poorer part of town. I am poor. Even in the wosrt of the worse you're going to be hard pressed to find a place with more gun murders per population that guns stolen per gun purchased.

If you did, the population would be shrinking at an alarming rate.

Where DO you live?

Cite evidence that Kevlar vests will follow the same trend.

I can't, cause it's not common enough to have it's own crime statistics. Unlike the 100 million guns in the States.

Then you can't use it as an arguement. Concession Accepted.

[haas mark]

Police = Red Herring. You fucking moron.

Wrong. You are classifying the police as an average citizen. You say that citizens shouldn't have vests, but polioce should. Police are citizens, just not average.

[Evil Sadistic Bastard]

Or, to use more technical terms. Strawman.

I didn't know idiot economists were like the Energizer bunny, but you have proved that to me, because you just keep coming back for more.

[haas mark]

Wearing or not wearing a seatbelt is not going to effect criminals in any way. But, if BPV follow the same pattern as guns, they will be 1000 times more likely to end up in the hands of criminals than have the opputunity to save your life.

Seatbelts save the lives of car thieves involved in 100 MPH colissions with
the police, so we shoudl do away with them!

Great logic, Strowey!

That's your logic, not mine.

Or, to use more technical terms. Strawman.

No it's not. Criminals are not going to think about seatbelts, and they are going to involve themselves in high speed chases, a lot of times. Try again.

[C.S.Strowbridge]

His entire delusion requires that theft rates for totally different products remain the same, and that all product stolen in a list of a total where stole indirectly from the consumer, not from any of the middle men, police or manufactures despite the fact that this has happened many times.

Strowbridge has based his entire argument off of one number he's miss using and a big leap in logic. He has not presented key evidence concerning the actual theft rate of vests, resulting in a totally unsupported claim. As a result I'm declaring victory in this.

I suggest everyone else stops as well. There's no point.

And your argument is based on ignoring the statistics, and some warped view that getting shot is a remote possibility.

Sure it's possible you'll be part of the 0.00367% And it's possible I could win the lotto tomorrow. Does that mean I should quit my job today?

And my numbers would have to be off my a factor of 1000 before your arguement would have to be taken seriously.

[C.S.Strowbridge]

Oh god, can you not read? Is your gun in the way?

Odds of being shot: 0.00367%
Percent of guns stolen: 3.896%

If the odds that it will help you are tiny, and the odds that it will help the criminals is much, much greater, then it's a bad idea.

Wow, big fucking whoop, a gun gets stolen while I'm out of the house. I just
go out and give the police the serial number and the make of it, and the
moron who has it now has a HOT gun.

Like he cares if his gun is hot when he's robbing someone. He's a criminal.

[haas mark]

His entire delusion requires that theft rates for totally different products remain the same, and that all product stolen in a list of a total where stole indirectly from the consumer, not from any of the middle men, police or manufactures despite the fact that this has happened many times.

Strowbridge has based his entire argument off of one number he's miss using and a big leap in logic. He has not presented key evidence concerning the actual theft rate of vests, resulting in a totally unsupported claim. As a result I'm declaring victory in this.

Your arguement is based on statisitcs that don't exist.

[Evil Sadistic Bastard]

Police = Red Herring. You fucking moron.

Hey retardo economist spammer! Police = Important. You = fucking moron. It is important that cops get BPVs because they are, like verilon said, not your ordinary citizens, they work for a livng, unlike you, you worthless wannabe degenerate economist pond scum who impugns upon the good name of CS Strowbridge by misappropriating the name.

[haas mark]

Oh god, can you not read? Is your gun in the way?

Odds of being shot: 0.00367%
Percent of guns stolen: 3.896%

If the odds that it will help you are tiny, and the odds that it will help the criminals is much, much greater, then it's a bad idea.

Wow, big fucking whoop, a gun gets stolen while I'm out of the house. I just
go out and give the police the serial number and the make of it, and the
moron who has it now has a HOT gun.

Like he cares if his gun is hot when he's robbing someone. He's a criminal.

Wow. A valid point. Damn, is it ever cold down here....

[C.S.Strowbridge]

So what's your point? You don't care, but if someone else does why should they not be allowed to take action? Because they might be stolen? Cite some facts on vest thefts or shut up. While you're at it provide information on how many guns are stolen directly from people's hands and then used against them. So far all your presented is a total number of guns stolen.

Oh god, can you not read? Is your gun in the way?

Odds of being shot: 0.00367%
Percent of guns stolen: 3.896%

If the odds that it will help you are tiny, and the odds that it will help the criminals is much, much greater, then it's a bad idea.

It doesn't matter if it helps the criminal in that criminal encounter, or the next one, or the one after that.

And that applies to a totally different product with employing different principal for a different task HOW? Theft rates of dissimilar products are NOT the same. I've asked for real data on vest theft rates countless times as have others. You have not provided it and instead repeat the same thing over and over. Concession accepted.

Bandwith theft snipped.

Translation. It's not the exaclty the same. Waaaaaahhh! I'm going to ignore everything you say cause even if you are just 0.1% right, them I'm wrong.

[haas mark]

Oh god, can you not read? Is your gun in the way?

Odds of being shot: 0.00367%
Percent of guns stolen: 3.896%

If the odds that it will help you are tiny, and the odds that it will help the criminals is much, much greater, then it's a bad idea.

It doesn't matter if it helps the criminal in that criminal encounter, or the next one, or the one after that.

And that applies to a totally different product with employing different principal for a different task HOW? Theft rates of dissimilar products are NOT the same. I've asked for real data on vest theft rates countless times as have others. You have not provided it and instead repeat the same thing over and over. Concession accepted.

Bandwith theft snipped.

Translation. It's not the exaclty the same. Waaaaaahhh! I'm going to ignore everything you say cause even if you are just 0.1% right, them I'm wrong.

Yeah. You've done that for the past 12 pages. And we've consistently provbed to be more able to prove our point than you ever have.