Fundies, as you call them, used to control America nearly entirely until recently, and it wasn't a bad place to live (probably better)
Yeah? They banned evolution. They banned all free thought deviant from the Bible. They banned women from exercise, from jobs outside the home, banned women from wearing pants in churches, and banned interracial marriages.
Let's get this in the open: Are you a fundie?
Evolution wasn't a theory until the last (century?). I don't recall free thought being banned, or any thought for that matter. You can think whatever you want and no one can tell Women have been oppressed for centuries and it was America who helped pioneer the way for womens rights, something that hasn't been done in many non-christian parts of the world Interracial marriage was a part of another societial problem that has sense been eliminated, ironically by moral crusaders who believed it was their God given duty to end slavery...
I'm not sure what you think a 'fundy' is. I highly doubt I'd fit your idea of one though.
Crazy_Vasey wrote:Whatever you say bucko. Gotta say I can't recall America ever being a theocracy but nevermind.
Contrary to popular belief (on these boards) Christians are some of the most tolerent people you might be fortunate enough to meet.
Some are. There are plenty of intolerant Christians, and likewise there are great numbers of tolerant non-Christians. It's all a matter of individuals, the actual religion of a person tends (in my experience) to matter little in their tolerance.
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Women have been oppressed for centuries and it was America who helped pioneer the way for womens rights, something that hasn't been done in many non-christian parts of the world Interracial marriage was a part of another societial problem that has sense been eliminated, ironically by moral crusaders who believed it was their God given duty to end slavery...
Oh yeah? Last time I checked New Zealand gave women the right to vote WAYYYY before America. And America wasn't meant to be a christian nation. Read the Constitution, you fucking idiot.
And prove this bit about interracial marriage. Why do they have separate high-school dances for whites and blacks in the so-called Bible Belt?
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Women have been oppressed for centuries and it was America who helped pioneer the way for womens rights, something that hasn't been done in many non-christian parts of the world Interracial marriage was a part of another societial problem that has sense been eliminated, ironically by moral crusaders who believed it was their God given duty to end slavery...
Oh yeah? Last time I checked New Zealand gave women the right to vote WAYYYY before America. And America wasn't meant to be a christian nation. Read the Constitution, you fucking idiot.
And prove this bit about interracial marriage. Why do they have separate high-school dances for whites and blacks in the so-called Bible Belt?
We don't have segregated high-school dances here anymore, generally speaking. There is indeed a small amount of localities which continue to practice this custom, but the general trend has been to move away from this sort of thing.
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Women have been oppressed for centuries and it was America who helped pioneer the way for womens rights, something that hasn't been done in many non-christian parts of the world Interracial marriage was a part of another societial problem that has sense been eliminated, ironically by moral crusaders who believed it was their God given duty to end slavery...
Oh yeah? Last time I checked New Zealand gave women the right to vote WAYYYY before America. And America wasn't meant to be a christian nation. Read the Constitution, you fucking idiot.
And prove this bit about interracial marriage. Why do they have separate high-school dances for whites and blacks in the so-called Bible Belt?
I didn't say that America gave women the right to vote first, I said they helped pioneer women's rights, which I notice you didn't bother to deny.
I personally havn't seen a single split prom, or dance, and if such a thing is going on I'm sure its breaking several laws.
America wasn't ment to be a christian nation, but it was made up mostly of christians. Christians just happened to tolerate other religions. Tolerance, you might wanna try it some time.
Falcon wrote:Christians just happened to tolerate other religions. Tolerance, you might wanna try it some time.
Holy Crap! That's the goddamn most funniest thing I've heard all week. Tell me, did your parents recognize your abilities at humor when you were a child?
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Women have been oppressed for centuries and it was America who helped pioneer the way for womens rights, something that hasn't been done in many non-christian parts of the world Interracial marriage was a part of another societial problem that has sense been eliminated, ironically by moral crusaders who believed it was their God given duty to end slavery...
Oh yeah? Last time I checked New Zealand gave women the right to vote WAYYYY before America. And America wasn't meant to be a christian nation. Read the Constitution, you fucking idiot.
And prove this bit about interracial marriage. Why do they have separate high-school dances for whites and blacks in the so-called Bible Belt?
I've never seen or heard of separate high-school dances since the 60s or 70s. Actually, there's quite a few interracial marriages down here, though we're a bit below the Bible Belt.
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Falcon wrote:Christians just happened to tolerate other religions. Tolerance, you might wanna try it some time.
Holy Crap! That's the goddamn most funniest thing I've heard all week. Tell me, did your parents recognize your abilities at humor when you were a child?
Christians don't go out to shoot the infadels now do they? You'd have to go way back to the Crusades probably, and then it wasn't religion that caused it, just religion that was used as an excuse.
Women have been oppressed for centuries and it was America who helped pioneer the way for womens rights, something that hasn't been done in many non-christian parts of the world Interracial marriage was a part of another societial problem that has sense been eliminated, ironically by moral crusaders who believed it was their God given duty to end slavery...
Oh yeah? Last time I checked New Zealand gave women the right to vote WAYYYY before America. And America wasn't meant to be a christian nation. Read the Constitution, you fucking idiot.
And prove this bit about interracial marriage. Why do they have separate high-school dances for whites and blacks in the so-called Bible Belt?
I've never seen or heard of separate high-school dances since the 60s or 70s. Actually, there's quite a few interracial marriages down here, though we're a bit below the Bible Belt.
There is one locality in Georgia that had been holding segregated dances up until recently, IIRC. Wong had posted the address of the story on it at one point, but I don't think I could find it now. [edit]
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America wasn't ment to be a christian nation, but it was made up mostly of christians. Christians just happened to tolerate other religions. Tolerance, you might wanna try it some time.
Tolerance? If you want tolerance, look at the eastern religions.
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AFAIK Christian doctrines do not support segregation. There is the verse on marrying believers but this is a Pauline doctrine and thus not actually of Christ.
Further, the tolerant Christian, in my experience, outnumber the intolerant ones- the intolerant ones are just better at getting attention.
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HemlockGrey wrote:AFAIK Christian doctrines do not support segregation. There is the verse on marrying believers but this is a Pauline doctrine and thus not actually of Christ.
Further, the tolerant Christian, in my experience, outnumber the intolerant ones- the intolerant ones are just better at getting attention.
The lunatic fringe is typically going to be the most vocal in just about everything.
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Falcon wrote:Evolution wasn't a theory until the last (century?). I don't recall free thought being banned, or any thought for that matter.
Five state constitutions bar atheists from public office.
You can think whatever you want and no one can tell
By that token, you would be perfectly happy living in an Islamic theocracy, since they can't tell you're a Christian.
Women have been oppressed for centuries and it was America who helped pioneer the way for womens rights, something that hasn't been done in many non-christian parts of the world
Yes, it was "left-wing liberals" in the big cities who pioneered womens' rights, while the rural communities and Christian leaders fought against it.
Interracial marriage was a part of another societial problem that has sense been eliminated, ironically by moral crusaders who believed it was their God given duty to end slavery...
Abraham Lincoln was not a Christian. The slavers he fought against were Christians.
I'm not sure what you think a 'fundy' is. I highly doubt I'd fit your idea of one though.
You're close enough; you believe in a distorted version of history where morality comes from Christianity, and every development which was fought by the church tooth and nail (from evolution to womens' rights and the end of American slavery) somehow becomes an accomplishment of Christians in your mind.
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Falcon wrote:Christians don't go out to shoot the infadels now do they? You'd have to go way back to the Crusades probably, and then it wasn't religion that caused it, just religion that was used as an excuse.
Why the fuck do you think we bombed Serbia you fucking idiot!? What are you, learning impared?
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Falcon wrote:Evolution wasn't a theory until the last (century?). I don't recall free thought being banned, or any thought for that matter.
Five state constitutions bar atheists from public office.
1st those are not enforced now, 2nd how many state constitutions (and even the federal) used to allow slavery? That kind of thing went out a while back, or was never popular\enforcable.
I do agree such restrictions were wrong, and unconstitutional.
You can think whatever you want and no one can tell
By that token, you would be perfectly happy living in an Islamic theocracy, since they can't tell you're a Christian.
No, since I wouldn't have freedom. I'm not aware of any Christian theocracies who behave(d) like our modern islamic friends...you?
Women have been oppressed for centuries and it was America who helped pioneer the way for womens rights, something that hasn't been done in many non-christian parts of the world
Yes, it was "left-wing liberals" in the big cities who pioneered womens' rights, while the rural communities and Christian leaders fought against it.
You mean the moral crusaders? The women's right movement was spawned out of the anti-slavery anti-sin movements of the 1830's
Interracial marriage was a part of another societial problem that has sense been eliminated, ironically by moral crusaders who believed it was their God given duty to end slavery...
Abraham Lincoln was not a Christian. The slavers he fought against were Christians.
And the anti slavery people were also Christians, Christians who believed it was their God given duty to eradicate the 'sin' of slavery. The fact that there were Christians on the other side doesn't detract from that fact.
I'm not sure what you think a 'fundy' is. I highly doubt I'd fit your idea of one though.
You're close enough; you believe in a distorted version of history where morality comes from Christianity, and every development which was fought by the church tooth and nail (from evolution to womens' rights and the end of American slavery) somehow becomes an accomplishment of Christians in your mind.
Evolution, nope, won't claim that one, and women's rights, well there were Christians on both sides of that issue.
Falcon wrote:Christians don't go out to shoot the infadels now do they? You'd have to go way back to the Crusades probably, and then it wasn't religion that caused it, just religion that was used as an excuse.
Why the fuck do you think we bombed Serbia you fucking idiot!? What are you, learning impared?
To save Clinton from problems here at home? (btw, if you think Clinton was a Christian you need to check yourself into an institution NOW)
Clinton professed to be Christian, even if he was a lying, cheating scumbag (at least he was a scumbug with a smile, though!).
As for the topic material, 'tis better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
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Falcon wrote:To save Clinton from problems here at home?
The same can be said about Bush and Iraq, best not to go there.
(btw, if you think Clinton was a Christian you need to check yourself into an institution NOW)
He went to church, and probably believed in Jesus like all the other 90% of the U.S. population. Perhaps he was a Christian, and you're not. He's the one who had many women like King David, Soloman, etc. I bet you're one of those lonely fundies that's never gotten any pussy. Just because you're jealous of Clinton's sex life doesn't mean you have to call him non-Christian you Christian hating infadel.
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jaeger115 wrote:If the fundies succeed in taking over the United States of America, what do you think we should do, rebel or escape? If you want to rebel, how would you do it?
Me, I would prefer hacking to create mass distrust...
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sign up for their regime - getting shot out doesnt sound fun for me.
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Falcon wrote:To save Clinton from problems here at home?
The same can be said about Bush and Iraq, best not to go there.
Even if true that doesn't excuse Clinton...
(btw, if you think Clinton was a Christian you need to check yourself into an institution NOW)
He went to church, and probably believed in Jesus like all the other 90% of the U.S. population. Perhaps he was a Christian, and you're not. He's the one who had many women like King David, Soloman, etc. I bet you're one of those lonely fundies that's never gotten any pussy. Just because you're jealous of Clinton's sex life doesn't mean you have to call him non-Christian you Christian hating infadel.
Wow, Clinton couldn't possibly be Christian, eh? Funny how you work your ass off to make it seem as if men are Christian when they're not (eg- Thomas Jefferson) and do the reverse when you'd rather not be associated with someone.
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Falcon wrote:Christians just happened to tolerate other religions. Tolerance, you might wanna try it some time.
Holy Crap! That's the goddamn most funniest thing I've heard all week. Tell me, did your parents recognize your abilities at humor when you were a child?
Christians don't go out to shoot the infadels now do they? You'd have to go way back to the Crusades probably, and then it wasn't religion that caused it, just religion that was used as an excuse.
Yeah, but who caused it? The Christians. The Muslims had voluntary conversion to their faith. The Christians had the Inquisition.
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Women have been oppressed for centuries and it was America who helped pioneer the way for womens rights, something that hasn't been done in many non-christian parts of the world 
Interracial marriage was a part of another societial problem that has sense been eliminated, ironically by moral crusaders who believed it was their God given duty to end slavery...
