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Enricko · Post by **Enricko** » 2003-01-21 08:36pm

It's only an idea, but why not a military force composed only of gay? The Greeks did something like that 23 centuries ago... Unlike the couch-patatoe generation, gay stay fit!

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-01-21 09:04pm

generalization. I already know some gay overweight people.

sides, it could be argued as discrimination, although fighting for your lover makes one hell of a motivation. . .

Baron Mordo · Post by **Baron Mordo** » 2003-01-21 10:57pm

The military should be composed of short people. Although less intimidating, they consume less resources and present a smaller target.

Enricko · Post by **Enricko** » 2003-01-21 11:46pm

YES!!! If I become dictator of a small South America country, my invincible army will be composed solely of gay midgets!!!

No, seriously, all the trouble we have with soldiers come from the fact that our culture don't prepare us to be cut off from our family. Unless you raise people from birth to live in barracks, to be perfect little warriors, Human Nature will always cause you trouble (psychosis, stress, violence, etc).

That's why guided missiles and drones are the future of warfare.

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You know what? fuck the drones, future wars should be resolve with a deathmatch on a computer game!

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Shit! South Koreans will conquer the world!!!

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-22 12:09am

Tosho wrote:
weemadando wrote:
Darth Wong wrote: I wouldn't look forward to that. They're more likely to rip your dick off than suck on it.
Forget ripping it off. These women will take pleasure in skinning it with a blunt safety razor.

They are one of the least sociable groups I have ever had the misfortune to encounter.
or they might do something likethis.

Eww but at the same time

Pretty sure it's not real but I would've given those broads the unholy smackdown if they tried to do that on me.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-22 12:12am

Enricko wrote: Shit! South Koreans will conquer the world!!!

Especially if the game in question is starcraft.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-22 12:22am

Darth Wong wrote:Most serial killers are ex-military, and there are a lot of spousal abuse problems in the military.

The problems causing this are probably complex; a man who is trained to kill is more likely to act on some bizarre compulsion than one who doesn't know how, since the road between thought and action is shorter. Also, soldiers who spend a lot of time away from their wives are inherently at risk of marital problems, hence the elevated abuse issues; contrary to popular belief, absence does NOT make the heart grow fonder. When a soldier comes home after six months in the field to discover that his wife has been cheating on him, he's liable to do something bad.

It could also partially be due to natural psychological tendencies. The military (like sports) would tend to attract more aggressive personalities. These personalities are more likely to engage in physical/abusive behavior than more passive personalities. I am not saying the entire military falls in this mental category, but it is more common than among the civilian world.

Additionally, drill sergeants (last I heard) aren't even allowed to yell any more. A lot of DS's are getting pissed at the military. They complain that they're expected to be more like babysitters or camp counselors rather than the trainers of soldiers.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-01-22 12:48am

Enricko wrote:YES!!! If I become dictator of a small South America country, my invincible army will be composed solely of gay midgets!!! :P

Dalton. FUQ. Now.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-01-22 12:54am

In the military, your right to free speech and protection from search and seizure is revoked. And they're complaining about a drill instructor being offensive to women?

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2003-01-22 12:56am

The Dark wrote:A lot of DS's are getting pissed at the military. They complain that they're expected to be more like babysitters or camp counselors rather than the trainers of soldiers.

Awww, poor DIs can't get their point across without screaming at the recruits. Perhaps they'd do better if they applied a little more brain power and a little less grunt.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-22 12:59am

Enlightenment wrote:
The Dark wrote:A lot of DS's are getting pissed at the military. They complain that they're expected to be more like babysitters or camp counselors rather than the trainers of soldiers.
Awww, poor DIs can't get their point across without screaming at the recruits. Perhaps they'd do better if they applied a little more brain power and a little less grunt.

??

Isn't the army supposed to train you how to take orders, not how to think for yourselves?

EDIT: Replace army with military. But army especially.

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2003-01-22 01:08am

Enlightenment wrote:
The Dark wrote:A lot of DS's are getting pissed at the military. They complain that they're expected to be more like babysitters or camp counselors rather than the trainers of soldiers.
Awww, poor DIs can't get their point across without screaming at the recruits. Perhaps they'd do better if they applied a little more brain power and a little less grunt.

Part of their job is to teach recruits to handle themselves in stressful situations. Trying to accomplish a task while your instructor is yelling in your ear to hurry up, and berating you when you screw up forces you to learn to avoid distractions and focus on the task at hand, no matter what's going on around you.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-01-22 03:40am

Alex Moon wrote: Part of their job is to teach recruits to handle themselves in stressful situations. Trying to accomplish a task while your instructor is yelling in your ear to hurry up, and berating you when you screw up forces you to learn to avoid distractions and focus on the task at hand, no matter what's going on around you.

Absolutely. Officers think for themselves; soldiers obey. The breaking down is part of the process of making the soldiers obedient.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-22 11:06am

The whole point of being a DI is to "Break 'em an remake 'em" It's a bit hard to do that while trying to be PC. IF everyone held to the same standards there would be no need for an army.

War is a dirty game and the DI's have a duty to do their job. If an army loses the war the Army can expect a lot worse than being called a pussy.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-22 11:51am

Darth Wong wrote:
HemlockGrey wrote:I get to be attacked by militiant lesbians? Where do I sign up?
I wouldn't look forward to that. They're more likely to rip your dick off than suck on it.

I must say I prefer the occasions I've been attacked by non-militant lesbians....lots of fun....

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-01-22 12:33pm

I seem to recall in my Boot Camp experience that our DIs were telling us that they weren't supposed to swear anymore. Then they asked if anyone had a problem if they did swear and if they did it was "too fuckin' bad".

Being PC in a profession where your job is to go out and kill the other guy is just stupid but it happens. On my last ship we were crossing the equator so the whole crossing the line ceremony was going into play. Someone complained about the term "Wog" which is supposed to be short for Polywog. Everyone who hasn't sailed across the equator and gone through the ceremony is a Polywog while those who have are called "Shellbacks". Anyway, some guy didn't like the term "wog" supposedly because African slave traders had used that term when refering to their captives.

There were other things that were changed in the ceremony. Mainly the violence. No more wailing on wogs with three foot long pieces of wet fire hose. The crawling through garbage the length of the flight deck was still there though but kneepads and gloves were allowed.

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2003-01-22 12:54pm

Solution, replace gender-related military insults with:

"Can't you see that the target is right there in front of you! What are you a bunch of fundies?"

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-01-22 01:10pm

Zoink wrote:Solution, replace gender-related military insults with:

"Can't you see that the target is right there in front of you! What are you a bunch of fundies?"

Chaplains won't like that. Besides there's lots of "God feerin' boys in the miltary".

Also about the only break you get from takin' shit in basic is by going to one of the "religous" services. Lots of singing not much preaching.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-01-22 02:26pm

Zoink wrote:Solution, replace gender-related military insults with:

"Can't you see that the target is right there in front of you! What are you a bunch of fundies?"

Shouldn't it be: "Can't you see that the target is right there in front of you! What are you a bunch of hippies?"

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-01-22 03:01pm

I see Cunt and Pussy are offensive to women

Dickhead
Bollocks
etc etc...

What bullshit.

tharkûn · Post by **tharkûn** » 2003-01-22 06:46pm

1. Your DI's job is help you live through your job. I don't particularly care if he shouts, curses, or uses electroshock therapy. His job is to condition you to do highly unnatural things ... most people just don't have it in them to fire dead into an enemy let alone bayonet them. Your instructor not only teaches what you need to survive, but ingrains it in reflex.
2. We should not be surprised that the military churns out the worst killers, people out of the military actually know how to kill people. Who is more likely to actually succeed in killing somebody? The ex-soldier with a rifle shooting from a prone position ... or the gang banger driving holding a 9 mm sideways? A good number of would-be killers are damned by their own incompotence.
3. The military is going to churn out violent people. In WWII they found that 1/4th of the soldiers were doing ALL the fighting, because humans tend not to actually want to kill each other. Generally humans like to posture, but not actually kill. To rememedy the problem of so few soldiers willing to shoot at the enemy, militaries now use more techniques to break down psycological barriers. Is it brainwashing? Yes. Does it keep your soldiers alive longer? Yes. As you start removing pyscological barriers from people, the minority of losers will be more likely to follow through on threats.

The fact of the matter is this:
The military's first proity is to secure its objectives, the second is to do so with minimal casualties.

Everything else is trivial if it interferes with either of these objectives. This is not a department store where screwing up means you lose money. Errors can and do kill people. Sacrificing effective training techniques to make women feel better? Whatever. Decent risk with dubious reward ... not worth it.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-23 06:34pm

If a person is really that sensitive that he or she is offended by being shouted at how would that take it when an enemy is trying to kill them and threatening to drink the blood from their still warm corpse. The are some places where PC can't apply.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-01-23 09:21pm

Exactly. People that easily upset should not be in the military in the first place.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-23 09:26pm

Tsyroc wrote:
Zoink wrote:Solution, replace gender-related military insults with:

"Can't you see that the target is right there in front of you! What are you a bunch of fundies?"
Chaplains won't like that. Besides there's lots of "God feerin' boys in the miltary".

Also about the only break you get from takin' shit in basic is by going to one of the "religous" services. Lots of singing not much preaching.

This (future) chaplain wouldn't mind

. I think I'll probably get a few problems at ordination dealing with my intense dislike of Biblical literalism. At least my theology professor's on the Board.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-01-23 09:36pm

well, the femmes who brought up this argument arent in the military - they are in high school, and think that DIs calling recruits pussies and the like is mysogynistic. (I htink thats the word).

they also thought that the need to keep the military dehumanized wasnt really answering the question.