Suck it down fundie bitches. EVOLUTION ROCKS ONWARDS!

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-01-26 09:54am

Well, you just copped a whupping Falcon? Any comebacks? No? Thought so.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-01-26 10:15am

OK, here's why I'm ground up:

birds evolved from raptors - you know, the fast running predators. The feathered dinosaurs all seem to be small, fats, terrestrial running predators. Archaeopteryx was not well adapted to climbing or perching.

Thing is, although biomechanists like to say 'Trees Down is easier', WTF should evolution take the easiest route? The fossil evidence (this one specimen aside) seems to clearly show progression from fast running dinosaurs to fast running dinosaurs with feathers to birds. There's a whole host of climbing dinosaurs missing to support the Trees Down model.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-26 11:56am

Falcon wrote:Fossil history doesn't disprove religion, the only more annoying thing than you rabid faith haters suggesting it does is the ill-informed religious people who try to make strange excuses to discount fossils. It seems to me that life in the wide world may have gone on for untold millions of years while Adam and Eve were in the garden. Dinosaurs, which were obviously not in the garden, would have lived and died thus leaving the fossil records we see today. Simple, see?

*Watches with amazment....then turns to his friend*

See!! I told you and you didnt believe me!
People can post on message boards with thier head lodged up thier rectum....this proves it.

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2003-01-26 12:25pm

Falcon wrote:Fossil history doesn't disprove religion, the only more annoying thing than you rabid faith haters suggesting it does is the ill-informed religious people who try to make strange excuses to discount fossils. It seems to me that life in the wide world may have gone on for untold millions of years while Adam and Eve were in the garden. Dinosaurs, which were obviously not in the garden, would have lived and died thus leaving the fossil records we see today. Simple, see?

Time for a Jon Stewart impression:

Huh-WHAAA???

Biddybot · Post by **Biddybot** » 2003-01-26 12:42pm

Don't bash Falcon. He obviously believes in the theory of man's creation as put forward in 'Science Made Stupid' (a great little book I highly recommend, by the way). According to 'Science Made Stupid', Adam and Eve really did once walk our fair Earth. And bred and produced brothers, Cain and Abel, if I recall right, who needed mates--bad! Enter a voluptuous pair of grunting cave babes. All were fruitful and multiplied. And now you know the real reason cavemen seemed to get so smart so fast.

So you see, creationism and evolution CAN co-exist. Too easy! (And anyone who believes what I just wrote is going to get such a poke of an ice-cold Borzoi nose in the nether regions...)

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-01-26 12:56pm

Falcon wrote:It seems to me

It says right here. It is all according to him. As such, with his level of intelligence, it isn't hard to believe that he actually thinks this shit is true.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-01-26 01:26pm

Falcon wrote:Fossil history doesn't disprove religion, the only more annoying thing than you rabid faith haters suggesting it does is the ill-informed religious people who try to make strange excuses to discount fossils. It seems to me that life in the wide world may have gone on for untold millions of years while Adam and Eve were in the garden. Dinosaurs, which were obviously not in the garden, would have lived and died thus leaving the fossil records we see today. Simple, see?

<TIM ALLEN>Hruuh?</TIM ALLEN>

Oh Falcon, please change your avatar. It's offensive to anyone who likes Count Dooku.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-01-26 01:44pm

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:Oh Falcon, please change your avatar. It's offensive to anyone who likes Count Dooku.

I agree, Falcon should change his avatar.
Count Dooku with his force lightnings and curved lightsaber is cool, ignorant fundy biggots aren't.

I'm thinking that this would work nicely...

So that every one will say "Look it's a Pakled!" when they see one of Falcons posts.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » 2003-01-26 01:46pm

I simply point out, yet again, how science can never disprove religion, and everyone has a cow. Long winded babbling about Catholics and cave babes arn't going to change that.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » 2003-01-26 01:49pm

This is a Star Wars webby, and I normally enjoy reading about and discussing Star Wars, but when people run around with such shallow attempts to disprove religion I can't keep silent. I respect your opinion, and you're entitled to it, but I'm also equally entitled to point out my opinion on the issue. If you can't be even that tolerent (not surprising) then I can only pity you and the people forced to live around you.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-01-26 01:51pm

Falcon wrote:I simply point out, yet again, how science can never disprove religion.

And, again, you cannot disprove a negative. Substitute religion by "fire invisible breathing dragon in my garage" and you won't be able to disprove that, either.

Anyway, while science can't disprove the existence of God (albeit a very subtil one) it can, by presenting evidence, disprove religious related moronic concepts like Young Earth theory and Creationism.

, and everyone has a cow. Long winded babbling about Catholics and cave babes arn't going to change that.

Mistaking jokes for valid arguments. Nice reasoning.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-01-26 01:54pm

Falcon wrote:This is a Star Wars webby, and I normally enjoy reading about and discussing Star Wars, but when people run around with such shallow attempts to disprove religion I can't keep silent.

Perhaps you haven't noticed Mike's page about creationism and religion, and the "debuke creationism" part of this forum. If you can't keep silent, be ready to make a debate out of it, or leave.

I respect your opinion, and you're entitled to it, but I'm also equally entitled to point out my opinion on the issue. If you can't be even that tolerent (not surprising) then I can only pity you and the people forced to live around you.

Not all opinions are equal. Some theories are valid, others are not. Even if you remain unconvinced about the stupidity of going against science and hard evidence, others reading this may not.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » 2003-01-26 01:56pm

Colonel Olrik wrote:
Falcon wrote:I simply point out, yet again, how science can never disprove religion.
And, again, you cannot disprove a negative. Substitute religion by "fire invisible breathing dragon in my garage" and you won't be able to disprove that, either.

Anyway, while science can't disprove the existence of God (albeit a very subtil one) it can, by presenting evidence, disprove religious related moronic concepts like Young Earth theory and Creationism.

I agree it disproves the Young Earth theory (unless God created fossil records too, though I don't know why he would), but it doesn't disprove Creationalism. If God could create the universe he could set it up to look like it was very old, or like it had been created another way, etc...

, and everyone has a cow. Long winded babbling about Catholics and cave babes arn't going to change that.

Mistaking jokes for valid arguments. Nice reasoning.

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To be honest I didn't bother reading it all that closely. Theres really no point, its all been said before and its all irrelevent since you can't disprove God.

btw, the easiest way to not have to read my posts would be to quit posting things about religion that I take issue with. You don't see me starting a bunch of threads about the Bible, if I did there would be complaints. Yet you all want me to sit in silence while you bash faith? Why the double standard?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-26 01:58pm

Falcon wrote:
Colonel Olrik wrote:And, again, you cannot disprove a negative. Substitute religion by "fire invisible breathing dragon in my garage" and you won't be able to disprove that, either ...
I agree it disproves the Young Earth theory (unless God created fossil records too, though I don't know why he would), but it doesn't disprove Creationalism. If God could create the universe he could set it up to look like it was very old, or like it had been created another way, etc...

Jesus ass-fucking Christ, how stupid can you be? We don't NEED to disprove the existence of God; you need to PROVE it. Burden of proof is on person claiming the EXISTENCE of a phenomenon, since it is conceptually impossible to prove a negative.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-26 02:01pm

Falcon wrote:This is a Star Wars webby, and I normally enjoy reading about and discussing Star Wars, but when people run around with such shallow attempts to disprove religion I can't keep silent. I respect your opinion, and you're entitled to it, but I'm also equally entitled to point out my opinion on the issue. If you can't be even that tolerent (not surprising) then I can only pity you and the people forced to live around you.

Please improve the average IQ of the human race....try some of the other shit in the bible...take some poision or something....after all, things in a rather badly written airport novel of a book are ALWAYS true!

The notion of religion cant be disproved simply because some people seem to think anything not 100% explained is God's work....we'd all be living in fuckin' caves if everyone thought that way.....you really do seem like pakled material.....

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » 2003-01-26 02:02pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Falcon wrote:
Colonel Olrik wrote:And, again, you cannot disprove a negative. Substitute religion by "fire invisible breathing dragon in my garage" and you won't be able to disprove that, either ...
I agree it disproves the Young Earth theory (unless God created fossil records too, though I don't know why he would), but it doesn't disprove Creationalism. If God could create the universe he could set it up to look like it was very old, or like it had been created another way, etc...
Jesus ass-fucking Christ, how stupid can you be? We don't NEED to disprove the existence of God; you need to PROVE it. Burden of proof is on person claiming the EXISTENCE of a phenomenon, since it is conceptually impossible to prove a negative.

I do not need to prove the existance of God, that is impossible. If God could be proven then you'd have no choice but to believe. As it is you are required to have faith, and choose to do as God wishes. The entire nature of Christianity is about voluntary belief and faith in God, not about proving his existance. If you choose not to believe thats your right, very few will believe. I'm just doing my duty of trying to defend my faith to hopefully help someone else believe in God. Thats something I'll never stop doing, because I think its the right thing. If you won't believe, should you not at least tolerate the views of others?

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » 2003-01-26 02:04pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:
Falcon wrote:This is a Star Wars webby, and I normally enjoy reading about and discussing Star Wars, but when people run around with such shallow attempts to disprove religion I can't keep silent. I respect your opinion, and you're entitled to it, but I'm also equally entitled to point out my opinion on the issue. If you can't be even that tolerent (not surprising) then I can only pity you and the people forced to live around you.
Please improve the average IQ of the human race....try some of the other shit in the bible...take some poision or something....after all, things in a rather badly written airport novel of a book are ALWAYS true!

The notion of religion cant be disproved simply because some people seem to think anything not 100% explained is God's work....we'd all be living in fuckin' caves if everyone thought that way.....you really do seem like pakled material.....

I give credit where credit is due. Science can do amazing things, and no doubt will be able to unlock even more mysteries as time goes on. There is nothing in the universe that we cannot eventually figure out. Indeed, if time went on forever I fully expect that we could eventually learn all knowledge and become like God ourselves. Of course time won't go on forever, so the point is moot.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-01-26 02:05pm

Falcon wrote: I agree it disproves the Young Earth theory (unless God created fossil records too, though I don't know why he would), but it doesn't disprove Creationalism. If God could create the universe he could set it up to look like it was very old, or like it had been created another way, etc...

Of course, and then I ask you to disprove my fire breathing dragon. And if you accept the evidence as conclusive regarding Earth's age, then you must explain why don't you accept it regarding Evolution.

The fact that all can be a giant illusion does not matter. As far as I know, you can be a figment of my imagination. That doesn't change how the Universe works, as far as I perceive it, and as far as I can explain it.

To be honest I didn't bother reading it all that closely. Theres really no point, its all been said before and its all irrelevent since you can't disprove God.

Fire-breathing-dragon. Concession-accepted.

btw, the easiest way to not have to read my posts would be to quit posting things about religion that I take issue with. You don't see me starting a bunch of threads about the Bible, if I did there would be complaints. Yet you all want me to sit in silence while you bash faith? Why the double standard?

No, we want you shut up or make valid points about your desbeleive in Evolution and other science grips. Or make stupid ones and be mocked.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-26 02:05pm

Falcon wrote: btw, the easiest way to not have to read my posts would be to quit posting things about religion that I take issue with. You don't see me starting a bunch of threads about the Bible, if I did there would be complaints. Yet you all want me to sit in silence while you bash faith? Why the double standard?

Holy Shit!
Literally....the difference is, sience offers up EVIDENCE, intresting concept isnt it? God exists because someone said so....Gee....I've got an army of faries that ride into batttle on huge purple elephants that all fit in a match box....and my hankerchief created the universe.....disprove it?

Oh wait you cant because there is no actual evidence to refute....just some BS claim.....

You cannot prove something doesnt exist becqause by definition if it doesnt exist there should be no evidence which can be used to prove it isnt real.....

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-26 02:07pm

Falcon wrote:I do not need to prove the existance of God, that is impossible.

Why is it impossible? If you could produce a theory which somehow has greater predictive accuracy than conventional scientific theory via predictions which follow logically from the existence of God, then you would have scientific proof of the existence of God.

Of course, you can't do that. And you refuse to accept the logical principle of parsimony, which people have been trying to beat into your thick skull.

If you won't believe, should you not at least tolerate the views of others?

Shut the fuck up with this strawman, asshole. No one is saying that irrational religious beliefs are not to be tolerated in society. No one is hauling Christians off to prison for believing in God. We are only pointing out that it is illogical, so we can logically conclude that there is no God.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » 2003-01-26 02:09pm

Colonel Olrik wrote:
Falcon wrote: I agree it disproves the Young Earth theory (unless God created fossil records too, though I don't know why he would), but it doesn't disprove Creationalism. If God could create the universe he could set it up to look like it was very old, or like it had been created another way, etc...

Of course, and then I ask you to disprove my fire breathing dragon. And if you accept the evidence as conclusive regarding Earth's age, then you must explain why don't you accept it regarding Evolution.

The fact that all can be a giant illusion does not matter. As far as I know, you can be a figment of my imagination. That doesn't change how the Universe works, as far as I perceive it, and as far as I can explain it.
Evolution is going on all around is right now, and no doubt things have evolved in the past, but that doesn't disprove creationalism. No where in the Bible does it say 'God created everything and everything stayed exactly as God created it for all time' of course not, God set life in motion, set up the laws of nature, evolution is just one more law of nature.

To be honest I didn't bother reading it all that closely. Theres really no point, its all been said before and its all irrelevent since you can't disprove God.

Fire-breathing-dragon. Concession-accepted.
I can't disprove your fire breathing dragon, but that doesn't mean that God doesn't exist. God set up religion for the express purpose of it being unverifiable, ie requiring faith.

btw, the easiest way to not have to read my posts would be to quit posting things about religion that I take issue with. You don't see me starting a bunch of threads about the Bible, if I did there would be complaints. Yet you all want me to sit in silence while you bash faith? Why the double standard?

No, we want you shut up or make valid points about your desbeleive in Evolution and other science grips. Or make stupid ones and be mocked.

You don't fully understand my position, I'll try to explain it better (hopefully this post clears it up some more)

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » 2003-01-26 02:10pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Falcon wrote:I do not need to prove the existance of God, that is impossible.
Why is it impossible? If you could produce a theory which somehow has greater predictive accuracy than conventional scientific theory via predictions which follow logically from the existence of God, then you would have scientific proof of the existence of God.

Of course, you can't do that. And you refuse to accept the logical principle of parsimony, which people have been trying to beat into your thick skull.
If you won't believe, should you not at least tolerate the views of others?
Shut the fuck up with this strawman, asshole. No one is saying that irrational religious beliefs are not to be tolerated in society. No one is hauling Christians off to prison for believing in God. We are only pointing out that it is illogical, so we can logically conclude that there is no God.

You can't have any kind of proof that God exists or does not exist, what is so hard to understand about that?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-26 02:13pm

Falcon wrote:You can't have any kind of proof that God exists or does not exist, what is so hard to understand about that?

For the umpteenth time, absolute proof is a sophistic demand which leads directly to the uselessness of solipsism. What is so hard to understand about that?

You can't even absolutely prove that the Earth exists; absolute proof is a pathetic sophist's last-ditch excuse to pretend that it's irrational to say there's no God.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-01-26 02:13pm

Falcon wrote: Evolution is going on all around is right now, and no doubt things have evolved in the past, but that doesn't disprove creationalism. No where in the Bible does it say 'God created everything and everything stayed exactly as God created it for all time' of course not, God set life in motion, set up the laws of nature, evolution is just one more law of nature.

Alright, so your version of Creationism is "God created the first living cell, and then life evolved". Fine by me. But that's not what Creationists defend and you know it.

I can't disprove your fire breathing dragon, but that doesn't mean that God doesn't exist. God set up religion for the express purpose of it being unverifiable, ie requiring faith.

No, it means that your "You can't disprove God" argument has been ripped to shreds.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-26 02:13pm

Falcon wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
Falcon wrote:I do not need to prove the existance of God, that is impossible.
Why is it impossible? If you could produce a theory which somehow has greater predictive accuracy than conventional scientific theory via predictions which follow logically from the existence of God, then you would have scientific proof of the existence of God.

Of course, you can't do that. And you refuse to accept the logical principle of parsimony, which people have been trying to beat into your thick skull.
If you won't believe, should you not at least tolerate the views of others?
Shut the fuck up with this strawman, asshole. No one is saying that irrational religious beliefs are not to be tolerated in society. No one is hauling Christians off to prison for believing in God. We are only pointing out that it is illogical, so we can logically conclude that there is no God.

You can't have any kind of proof that God exists or does not exist, what is so hard to understand about that?

If there is no evidence of something....then it doesnt exist....isnt that nice and simple.....