Myth Busters does the Moon Landing

Archaic` · Post by **Archaic`** » 2008-08-28 11:59pm

They mentioned on the episode that they tested additional Moon Hoax myths, and that the others are on their website. Anyone able to point me in the right direction to them? I found plenty of videos there, but none of those hoaxes.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2008-08-29 12:43am

MRDOD wrote:He might be mistaken in that I do think it's about 4.5 seconds or 4.5 minutes or something for light to travel 1 AU, based on the 'if the sun vanished now, the planet would orbit an illusory sun for 4.5 (time units) until from our frame of reference it vanished' thing that gets pointed out whenever frames of reference are mentioned.

Light from the sun takes EIGHT minutes to get to earth.

Duckie · Post by **Duckie** » 2008-08-29 01:37am

CaptainChewbacca wrote:
MRDOD wrote:He might be mistaken in that I do think it's about 4.5 seconds or 4.5 minutes or something for light to travel 1 AU, based on the 'if the sun vanished now, the planet would orbit an illusory sun for 4.5 (time units) until from our frame of reference it vanished' thing that gets pointed out whenever frames of reference are mentioned.
Light from the sun takes EIGHT minutes to get to earth.

well, scratch that theory of why that guy's an idiot. Still, I was within an order of magnitude on the minutes thing. ^^;;

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-08-29 05:26am

The explanation for why the Russians didn't blow a hoax wide open is the most intellectually lazy one: They were in on the hoax and were bought with grain shipments/are ruled by the Illuminati/are controlled by Jews.

If you want to think like a Moon hoaxer, think lazy. No complicated explanations for anything are required: just make something up.

Hence the appeal of the ideology. You can feel smarter than the scientists, who you secretly envy because they understand shit you can't even begin to comprehend. By subscribing to the Apollo Hoax, Joe Sixpack can defeat his crushing inferiority complex, brought upon him by the inability to understand and explain the very simplest matters - by essentially saying all scientists are just as stupid as he is, and didn't see the obvious.

You can see it easily by readin any conspiracy forum. They quite literally have dozens of theories about the moon landing, every single one completel unsupported. They don't fit a wider theorem, the Apollo Hoax is a collection of mutually exclusive claims, sometimes based on as little as a single photograph. And, of course, the things they claim to spot often make no sense: for example, some apollo photos show white objects washing out the little black crossmarks. The hoaxers claim it's because the objects were pasted onto the photos ; Why do that before applying the crossmarks? If you're gonna fake a photo, you will put it together by either snapping a picture of a studio set, or pasting all the objects and then applying the crossmarks. And if you miss any, just draw the crossmark with a technical pen.

If you assume a conspiracy, then even the CTs hoax theories make no sense at all. Why even make tens of thousand of pictures? Just make 200 (far easier to manage) and tell the cameras couldn't hold more because they had to be awesome to survive in space. Even then, why scan them all and post them on the Internet for free? And so on.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-08-29 05:28am

BTW, the camera on the LRO probe which NASA is sending at the end of 2008 will have a resolution of 0,5 meters per pixel, which means it will be able to photograph the LEM bases left by Apollo missions.

And NASA intends to do just that.

Azazal · Post by **Azazal** » 2008-08-29 08:33am

Caught the episode last night, got to love TIVO

Any why, as was pointed out on another board, anyone else see Jamie as smiling to the camera all the while telling himself, "I can't believe I have to do this for those dumb shit hoaxers out there, we went to the moon, deal with it!"

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2008-08-29 08:34am

PeZook wrote:The explanation for why the Russians didn't blow a hoax wide open is the most intellectually lazy one: They were in on the hoax and were bought with grain shipments/are ruled by the Illuminati/are controlled by Jews.

I thought this was the standard reason why X does not expose the conspiracy.

Any conspiracy worth it's salt includes everyone with the exception of the person explaining it to you and, presumably, you.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-08-29 09:16am

Vendetta wrote: I thought this was the standard reason why X does not expose the conspiracy.

Any conspiracy worth it's salt includes everyone with the exception of the person explaining it to you and, presumably, you.

It does include you, unless you immediately agree with the person explaining the conspiracy and proceed to rant about it on your blog.

Do anything else, like say "Hey, this always happen on photographs, even on Earth" or "Van Allen belts wouldn't cook astronauts, as per dr. Van Allen himself", and you can start proudly calling yourself an agent of the government.

Really, I've been accused of being an agent whose job is to sit on conspiracy webforums and debunk hoaxer bullshit.

Really, I'd love it if I got paid to do that

Azazal · Post by **Azazal** » 2008-08-29 09:34am

PeZook wrote:Really, I've been accused of being an agent whose job is to sit on conspiracy webforums and debunk hoaxer bullshit.

Really, I'd love it if I got paid to do that

Do you by chance hang out at the JREF forums? The 9/11 nut jobs throw that out quite often while they are being shot down in flames by the regulars there.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-08-29 09:54am

Azazal wrote: Do you by chance hang out at the JREF forums? The 9/11 nut jobs throw that out quite often while they are being shot down in flames by the regulars there.

No, I read a polish conspiracy forum from time to time. It seems CTs either copycat other CTs or are a very uniform form of idiot

Azazal · Post by **Azazal** » 2008-08-29 10:54am

PeZook wrote:
Azazal wrote: Do you by chance hang out at the JREF forums? The 9/11 nut jobs throw that out quite often while they are being shot down in flames by the regulars there.
No, I read a polish conspiracy forum from time to time. It seems CTs either copycat other CTs or are a very uniform form of idiot

Very very true, I award you 1 internet cookie for you actions good sir

Grandmaster Jogurt · Post by **Grandmaster Jogurt** » 2008-08-29 12:15pm

MRDOD wrote:He might be mistaken in that I do think it's about 4.5 seconds or 4.5 minutes or something for light to travel 1 AU, based on the 'if the sun vanished now, the planet would orbit an illusory sun for 4.5 (time units) until from our frame of reference it vanished' thing that gets pointed out whenever frames of reference are mentioned.

Alpha Centauri is 4.3 light years from Earth and is often said to be the closest star to our sun. It's possible that that became garbled into "the closest star to us is 4.5 light years away" and then assumed to be referring to the sun itself.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2008-08-29 01:45pm

Isolder74 wrote:Now thew Mythbusters need to build a replica of The WTC and show what a real demolition of them would look like. Either that or build and exact replica at 1/10 scale, Barbie scale, and fly model planes at scale with equivalent fuel in them.

That will stick it to them! We call all dream right?

On the one hand, I'd love to see them demolish the Truthers the same way they demolished the Moon Hoaxers. On the other, the Mythbusters style is completely inappropriate for the subject. Jamie and Adam are way too classy to put on a light, fun show about an event where thousands of people were murdered, and a heavy, serious Mythbusters doesn't work.

Azazal · Post by **Azazal** » 2008-08-29 01:55pm

RedImperator wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:Now thew Mythbusters need to build a replica of The WTC and show what a real demolition of them would look like. Either that or build and exact replica at 1/10 scale, Barbie scale, and fly model planes at scale with equivalent fuel in them.

That will stick it to them! We call all dream right?
On the one hand, I'd love to see them demolish the Truthers the same way they demolished the Moon Hoaxers. On the other, the Mythbusters style is completely inappropriate for the subject. Jamie and Adam are way too classy to put on a light, fun show about an event where thousands of people were murdered, and a heavy, serious Mythbusters doesn't work.

Don't have a link handy, but Jamie and Adam have been guest speakers at the James Randi Amazing Meets (TAM) several times, and they have said they would not do a 9/11 show for pretty much that reason. I'll see if I can find it over at JREF somewhere

Alferd Packer · Post by **Alferd Packer** » 2008-08-29 02:31pm

I thought it was a terrific episode; I hope this gives him the chutzpah to do a creationism episode, as they've mentioned wanting to do in the past.

The Spartan · Post by **The Spartan** » 2008-08-29 02:36pm

You know, I have to admit that when I first heard that they were doing this episode that I was actually a little upset. "You're just going to give ammunition to the idiots!" However, my fears were unfounded and they really pulled it off and did a wonderful job. Best Mythbusters in a while, if not ever, IMNSHO.