Broomstick wrote:Does that statistic take into account the fact that several millions of people of working age are no longer counted among the "workforce population"?
I'm not aware of a graph against working age people specifically, but here's the graph for claims vs the total population;
The increase since 1990 is roughly twice what you'd expect from population aging, not even counting the elimination of the reduction in claims we should have seen from therapy and workplace safety improvements.
Your first graph showed a rise of 3% from approx 2000 to 2010
Your second shows a rise of 1% from approx 2000 to 2010
That's not very impressive and doesn't shore up your end of the argument very well.
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Broomstick wrote:Your second shows a rise of 1% from approx 2000 to 2010
That's 1.5% of the entire population, children and pensioners included; obviously this is less than % of working age which is the group where most of the transition onto disability occurs. It's a clear trend continues through current figures.
Starglider wrote:That's 1.5% of the entire population, children and pensioners included; obviously this is less than % of working age which is the group where most of the transition onto disability occurs.
Can you actually support that statement? Because a non trivial percentage of disabled working-age adults have been disabled since childhood. I have no idea if they are a majority of the disabled rolls or not. Was that an assumption or do you have cites?
Also, at 65 SS disability turns into regular SS benefits based on what I saw with my mother. People becoming disabled after 65 never show up on the disability rolls because they go into SS benefits if they aren't already receiving them.
Even so, 1% is not a statistically huge number. I dispute this counts as some sort of enormous uptick in people getting disability benefits.
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Tolya wrote:I've heard it from my friends. Seriously, with a straight face. They said it. That was part of their opinion on why gender equality is wrong
And why not? After all, that is the same logic people have used with approval when they complain about out-sourcing and industrial imports on this board, and I hope you'll agree that the freedom of trade and the enrichment of the undeveloped world is at least as important a moral goal as gender equality.
Starglider wrote:The increase since 1990 is roughly twice what you'd expect from population aging, not even counting the elimination of the reduction in claims we should have seen from therapy and workplace safety improvements.
Doesn't the US consider self-inflicted obesity to be a welfare-qualifying disability, or at least complications thereof? In light of that any reduction in already negligible industrial accidents is not going to matter, and obesity like aging is a timebomb rather than a sudden injury.
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Starglider, point of clarification: Does the graph you posted apply to the US or Britain?
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Zaune wrote:Starglider, point of clarification: Does the graph you posted apply to the US or Britain?
Both are for the US; an upward trend is present in the UK but nowhere near as pronounced (after adjusting the below graph for population growth);
There are many articles in UK and US publications that discuss this, but to summarise the difference is probably due to slightly better public health and universal non-time-limited unemployment benefits.
Broomstick wrote:Even so, 1% is not a statistically huge number.
5 million people are irrelevant?
I dispute this counts as some sort of enormous uptick in people getting disability benefits.
Doubling the percentage of the population on disability since the mid-80s is not an 'uptick'? Does it take a world war to produce enough injured for you to notice anything?
I have to admit that an increase from 3% to 6% over a period of four decades doesn't seem terribly impressive. And how much of it is accounted for by better diagnostic techniques and methodologies, or just better awareness? What my generation describes as having learning difficulties would have been written off as being "a bit simple" or "the village idiot" not so very long ago.
There are hardly any excesses of the most crazed psychopath that cannot easily be duplicated by a normal kindly family man who just comes in to work every day and has a job to do.
-- (Terry Pratchett, Small Gods)
Replace "ginger" with "n*gger," and suddenly it become a lot less funny, doesn't it?
-- fgalkin
energiewende wrote:Doesn't the US consider self-inflicted obesity to be a welfare-qualifying disability, or at least complications thereof?
No, and not usually.
Obesity alone does not qualify. Many of the complications, such as diabetes, does not qualify.
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Now I did a job. I got nothing but trouble since I did it, not to mention more than a few unkind words as regard to my character so let me make this abundantly clear. I do the job. And then I get paid.- Malcolm Reynolds, Captain of Serenity, which sums up my feelings regarding the lawsuit discussed here.
If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. - John F. Kennedy
Broomstick wrote:Even so, 1% is not a statistically huge number.
5 million people are irrelevant?
So, when your percentages are not impressive you switch to absolute numbers?
You're talking about 5 million in a population of 319 million. 1.5% of the population.
I dispute this counts as some sort of enormous uptick in people getting disability benefits.
Doubling the percentage of the population on disability since the mid-80s is not an 'uptick'? Does it take a world war to produce enough injured for you to notice anything?[/quote]
Oh, so now you move from saying "since 2000" to "since the 1980's?
Stop moving the goalposts, shithead.
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Now I did a job. I got nothing but trouble since I did it, not to mention more than a few unkind words as regard to my character so let me make this abundantly clear. I do the job. And then I get paid.- Malcolm Reynolds, Captain of Serenity, which sums up my feelings regarding the lawsuit discussed here.
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