I GOT HOVIND

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-05-16 04:04pm

Starscream wrote:Anyway several things bother me about this guy. He seems to be a very experienced speaker, and immediately starts off, like all good public speakers, by trying to identify himself with a auience that is appearantly made up mostly of people with no scientific background. He continually make ambiguos statements referring to unknown sources. He works constantly to build an emotional bond with his audience and to build up an outrage over evolution. He belittles his opponents theories and comments using straw men and comparing them to completely unrelated subjects. You can see this when he makes the statement about the rock becoming a person eventually, an obviously foolish statement that can be easily defeated. He's nothing but a phony, and the only reason he's up there is to put on a show. It's like those teleevangilists you see on TV "healing" people.

That's why he has consistently refused offers of written debates from various people. In a written debate, there's less room for theatrics, and theatrics are all he really has.

Loki · Post by **Loki** » 2003-05-16 07:45pm

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote: I'm sure Hovind would find a way to "prove" that dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible. Then, he'll "prove" that ancient man travelled in cars powered by their feet and used pelicans to mix cement.

I posed that same question to my former pastor and he showed me a few examples that were so vague as to be meaningless. If I recall correctly one of these creatures is referred to in the Bbile as the "leviathan."

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-05-16 08:07pm

Job 41:1
"Can you draw out the Leviathian with a hook, or snare his tongue with a line which you lower? Can you put a reed through his nose, or pierce his jaw with a hook?"

Job 40:15
"Look now at the behemoth, which I made along with you: He eats grass like an ox. See now, his strength in his hips, And his power is in his stomach muscles. He moves his tail like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are tightly knit. His bones are like beams of iron."

These are two of the most typical verses creationists site to support the Bible's confirmation of the "existence" of dinosaurs.

Now, this is very interesting. According to the foot notes in my Catholic Bible, it says that the Behemoth is actually a hippopotamus. For verse 41, it says the Leviathan refers to the crocodile. At least the Catholics are somewhat more rational...

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-05-17 08:11am

Hovind, meet Kent Hovind,
He's the dumbest guy in history,
spewing, loads of bullshit,
his great sucess is my-ste-ry.
Debate, with the fundie down the street,
laugh as, he explains the creation feat.
When you're, with Kent Hovind,
you'll have a really really hard time,
a somewhat fun time,
you'll have a "Kick the dumbass" time!!!
*sung to the "Flintstones"*

Starscream · Post by **Starscream** » 2003-05-17 02:27pm

Darth Gojira wrote:Hovind, meet Kent Hovind,
He's the dumbest guy in history,
spewing, loads of bullshit,
his great sucess is my-ste-ry.
Debate, with the fundie down the street,
laugh as, he explains the creation feat.
When you're, with Kent Hovind,
you'll have a really really hard time,
a somewhat fun time,
you'll have a "Kick the dumbass" time!!!
*sung to the "Flintstones"*

lol

Loki · Post by **Loki** » 2003-05-17 02:42pm

Superman wrote: Job 40:15
"Look now at the behemoth, which I made along with you: He eats grass like an ox. See now, his strength in his hips, And his power is in his stomach muscles. He moves his tail like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are tightly knit. His bones are like beams of iron."

These are two of the most typical verses creationists site to support the Bible's confirmation of the "existence" of dinosaurs.

The bohemoth cannot be a dinosaur because grass did not exist in the Mesozoic.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-05-17 02:55pm

Yeah, but to Hovind, there was no Mesozoic.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-05-17 05:13pm

Starscream wrote:
KH: How on earth do we get the other elements? You know, there's 92 elements. They would have to evolve.

Kent Hovind never fails to amaze me. He is indeed a phony among phonies, and a BIG phony at that!

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-05-17 05:22pm

Loki, neo is right. Hovind thinks that dinos and humans walked the earth 6,000 years ago. In his mind, there was no Mesozoic.

Loki · Post by **Loki** » 2003-05-18 04:41am

Superman~*Laughs* I guess I forgot about that and assumed that this guy had an elementary command on reality.