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Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:
The US has more fundies for some reason. And for a more mysterious reason, these fundies always seem to say that America is such a godless country.
Some of our earliest colonists were fundies (Pilgrims, Puritans) and a lot of people have come to this country because they were fleeing religous persecution, or because they thought they could practice their religion more easily here.
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Jennifer Henesey wrote:Thank you , you just proved my point to my 15 year old son. I was able to tell him how you would respond almost word for word. I will now put this with the rest of the junk mail I receive.
The one I feel sorry for is this woman's 15-year old son. After lifelong indoctrination, he'll be spending the rest of his life spewing fundie bullshit because he'll never have the opportunity to know better. Wanna bet that the "college" they send him to is some fundie/creationist outfit like Liberty University, where the mush filling that young skull will harden into concrete?

And notice that she "told him" how Mike would respond "word for word". Bet he never got the chance to examine the evidence for himself.

Fifteen years old and his intellect's probably already gone. Not even Catholic brainwashing is that destructive.
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-->Mike

This is what I usually use when I get a link without an argument.
Thank you for that link. But if you didn't want to debate with me then you could have just said so in the beginning. If it was your intention to just trade links then here is mine:
http://www.talkorigins.org/
Now if you are interested in a debate instead of link swapping then provide an argument and we will continue the debate.
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-->Mike

Also on your creation-website pages you should put in an invitation to this board. Maybe that way some of them are diverted in here instead of sending it directly to you.
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Patrick Degan wrote:
Jennifer Henesey wrote:Thank you , you just proved my point to my 15 year old son. I was able to tell him how you would respond almost word for word. I will now put this with the rest of the junk mail I receive.
The one I feel sorry for is this woman's 15-year old son. After lifelong indoctrination, he'll be spending the rest of his life spewing fundie bullshit because he'll never have the opportunity to know better. Wanna bet that the "college" they send him to is some fundie/creationist outfit like Liberty University, where the mush filling that young skull will harden into concrete?

And notice that she "told him" how Mike would respond "word for word". Bet he never got the chance to examine the evidence for himself.

Fifteen years old and his intellect's probably already gone. Not even Catholic brainwashing is that destructive.
Is Liberty University the one Pat Robertson promotes on his stupid TV show?

I agree though, the son is the one we should feel sorry for. With a mother that stupid, the kid's brain is going to liquify.
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What kind of degrees do they have at Liberty University anyway? Perhaps when he graduates, he'll see the light.
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Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote: And why are there more fundies in the South?
Lots of Black Haters=KKK=Fundies.....

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Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:What kind of degrees do they have at Liberty University anyway?
Bogus ones. It's a diploma mill for creationists who want impressive-sounding credentials to attach to their bullshit essays.
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Darth Wong wrote:
Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:What kind of degrees do they have at Liberty University anyway?
Bogus ones. It's a diploma mill for creationists who want impressive-sounding credentials to attach to their bullshit essays.
Liberty "University" is the assimilation centre run by Falwell of Borg.
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Patrick Degan wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:What kind of degrees do they have at Liberty University anyway?
Bogus ones. It's a diploma mill for creationists who want impressive-sounding credentials to attach to their bullshit essays.
Liberty "University" is the assimilation centre run by Falwell of Borg.
How ironic that it is called Liberty University.... quite improper for a religious indoctrination institution....

BTW, a few of those religious high schools have recently formed in Denmark, and they have currently came under scrutiny by the Danish Ministry of Education because they teach Genesis as a viable alternative to the Theory of Evolution....
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Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:
A Big Flying Fish wrote:I'm just curious about something

almost all of the idiotic dumbarsed hate mail that I've seen posted on the forums or on SD.net seems to come from the US. Is the general population there really as stupid as the e-mails make them out to be. Sorry to make comparisons, but in the UK (where I live), I've never, ever seen idiots on the level I see in some of the e-mails, although of course their are some, but I've just never seen a such a large density as what appears to come from the US
The US has more fundies for some reason. And for a more mysterious reason, these fundies always seem to say that America is such a godless country.

I believe the oxymoronic "creation science" movement orgionated in America, and they want Creationism in schools. But that's because there aree more fundies in the US. Why are all the fundies here? I don't know. They just are. And why are there more fundies in the South?
Two words: Southern Baptists. I can say from living in Florida for a dozen and a half years that some of them are decent, nice, open-minded people. Unfortunately, they're the exceptions. I'll admit that I'm a Christian and not likely to change my beliefs, but I agree entirely with evolutionary theory (although I would like to see more evidence for macroevolution, but human lifetimes aren't long enough to see most species evolve). Creationism is bad science and bad theology. Biblical literalists like the fundamentalist movement are as bad for Christianity as groups like Al Qaeda are for Islam. I think part of the apparent "fundie density" also comes from sheer population. The US is number 3 in the world for population, behind China and India. China's officially atheistic, and India's main religions are both very open-minded. By comparison, UK is #20 on the list, and Canada is #35. The full list is at http://www.mrdowling.com/800population.html

(sorry for the length, I was lazy and used Ask Jeeves instead of Google or going directly to cia.gov)

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I wanna move to the Pitcairn Islands!
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Thanks, DW, I'm still a computer idiot and couldn't figure out how to shorten the blasted link.

Alferd: Why the Pitcairns? Something important there I haven't heard about?
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According to the list, it's the lowest in population, therefore, least likely to have fundies.

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But that will mean they have maybe one person, and with our luck, he'll probably come straight at you for one reason or another. :mrgreen:
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And let's not forget the probable lack of internet access (Let alone broadband) there. How could you cope with that one mindless fundi without this fortress of solitude.......without killing the fundi.
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The Dark wrote:Thanks, DW, I'm still a computer idiot and couldn't figure out how to shorten the blasted link.

Alferd: Why the Pitcairns? Something important there I haven't heard about?
It's a country with 47 inhabitants. I'm sure if I went there I would be the very best in the whole country at something. :mrgreen:
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A Big Flying Fish wrote:I'm just curious about something

almost all of the idiotic dumbarsed hate mail that I've seen posted on the forums or on SD.net seems to come from the US. Is the general population there really as stupid as the e-mails make them out to be. Sorry to make comparisons, but in the UK (where I live), I've never, ever seen idiots on the level I see in some of the e-mails, although of course their are some, but I've just never seen a such a large density as what appears to come from the US
Fundies voice opinion here because of the constitution... one of the bad things that have arisen from the freedoms that it attempted to grant. With 'freedom' of voice people open their mouths more and thus lower the overall sense of intelligence for the entire society. Its not like the US has an extraordinary number of idiots compared to other countries, its just that ours happen to open their mouths more...
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Puritan colonists stuck to the North, and a lot of failed royalty ended up in the South. The Confederacy (by the time it got to be known that way) was full of the trappings of quasi-Royalty. The Plantations, the honorary titles of "Colonel" bandied about, the castle-like mansions with acres of fallow soil... they missed their chance to be kings and tried to institute the next best thing here. Sigh.

I can't figure how they got to be such zealots, though-- they followed the same Christianity that the Puritans adhered to, but the Puritans, many following Calvinist philosophy, seemed a bit less uptight about others (although their own uptightness about themselves made up for it).
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Coyote wrote: I can't figure how they got to be such zealots, though-- they followed the same Christianity that the Puritans adhered to, but the Puritans, many following Calvinist philosophy, seemed a bit less uptight about others (although their own uptightness about themselves made up for it).
The Calvinist philosophy makes all the difference. Calvinist doctrine believes in double predestination, meaning some people are saved and others aren't, and nothing can be done about it. This can make them more elitist in some instances, but often makes them more easy-going, since in their philosophy you'll convert anyway if you're meant to be saved. The Southern philosophies seem to have been more free-will oriented, meaning they feel a compulsion to save you whether you want it or not.
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I actually wish I had personal emails like this, "debating" on the GP4Teens forum is tedious and slow.

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