More Rallying for Creationism

[Petrosjko]

When did that happen? I managed to miss it and didn't find anything with the search either. Or was it just the sum total of his idiocy that got him tossed out?

Edi

Here you go

No you weren't, otherwise you wouldn't have brought up your stupid falsification point. I'm done with you.

No, you're done with this board, asshole. If you're not revprez, you're channeling his idiocy (and frankly, I'm certain that you are revprez, since I doubt two different people could behave so identically and write so similarly, which means that you're evading a ban). And you're loudly, proudly ignoring points you can't handle, which was revprez's signature technique, along with his stream of rhetorical bullshit. Good fucking bye.

Doesn't pay to be dismissive of Sith Lords, particularly those who are not subtle but are still quick to anger.

[Petrosjko]

Addendum. DW actually parsed his response and actually did respond to his other point, but I was delivering the essential thrust of it.

[Edi]

Ah, thanks. I managed to miss that exchange somehow.

[Rye]

They've always been this powerful, man. It's just the overt nature of it, was I attribute a lot of to Pat Robertson and the CBN.

They've certainly not always been this powerful, prior to the neocons, the evangelicals taught their flock not to vote. Probably because they wanted to divorce themselves from secularity, and liberal sects. They only became this powerful in the 70s when the young neocons joined forces with several influential evangelical ministers, including...Pat Robertson. It's exactly neocon wording to view everything as a "war" and the USSR were godless communists, so it was easy to really the evangelicals under one banner. This is also why "right wing" has become synonymous with anti abortion, anti gay, pro faith based initiatives, and to a lesser extent, anti science rhetoric.

I remember how he spooked me back in the eighties, because his rhetoric on just about everything was that it was a 'war'. Atheism, New Age, so on and so forth. They've derived a hellacious amount of funding from this sort of inflammatory rhetoric, and when you go out to the piney backwoods, usually the strongest and clearest broadcasts on radio and TV come from the various religious outlets, which further serves to perpetuate their agenda and its attendant financial muscle.

Yes. There doesn't seem to be a good way of getting rid of them, either. Oh well, maybe there'll be a series of metorite impacts that'll take out all the T/CBN and creationist offices one night.

[DPDarkPrimus]

Oh well, maybe there'll be a series of metorite impacts that'll take out all the T/CBN and creationist offices one night.

Ironically enough, simultaniously providing some plausibility for an intelligent higher power.

[wolveraptor]

Oh well, maybe there'll be a series of metorite impacts that'll take out all the T/CBN and creationist offices one night.

Ironically enough, simultaniously providing some plausibility for an intelligent higher power.

btw, more dissapointing current events in Newsweek...well, dissapointing anyways.

Dover School Board voted last month "to inform students of the alternatives to Darwin's theory." this is in PA! the east coast is falling as well.[/list]

[Petrosjko]

They've certainly not always been this powerful, prior to the neocons, the evangelicals taught their flock not to vote. Probably because they wanted to divorce themselves from secularity, and liberal sects. They only became this powerful in the 70s when the young neocons joined forces with several influential evangelical ministers, including...Pat Robertson. It's exactly neocon wording to view everything as a "war" and the USSR were godless communists, so it was easy to really the evangelicals under one banner. This is also why "right wing" has become synonymous with anti abortion, anti gay, pro faith based initiatives, and to a lesser extent, anti science rhetoric.

I have to disagree. First, the numbers were always there. The power was always there, it just wasn't being used. It's like an unflexed muscle.

And there was a reason for that. Prior to the sixties, they had by and large the society they wanted. Their values were largely reflected in the government. For example, the hardline anticommunism that you mentioned was only debated between Kennedy and Nixon to the degree of who was more anticommunist. It was the same as being anti-terrorist now.

Then the sixties came along, and suddenly things started going sideways. First the kids start having sex. Then... gasp... shock... QUEERS! In public!

Not only that, but the Democratic party started moving into advocacy for various groups and ideologies that they found abhorrent.

So all that potential strength was suddenly needed, because the power structures no longer reflected their values. I blame Robertson et al for fostering the 'War on (insert current deviancy from Christian orthodoxy here)' crusade mentality, but the mobs were just waiting to be summoned into being.

One interesting shift in their methodology is that they have by and large abandoned the 'silent majority' argument in order to better tap the 'poor, persecuted Christians' theme that serves them best and plays to their history.

[Rye]

I have to disagree. First, the numbers were always there. The power was always there, it just wasn't being used. It's like an unflexed muscle.

I thought you meant that the christian reich had always had its fingers in political pies and it had "always been that way" i wasn't questioning that as an untapped source it existed.

I'm not really going to address the rest because I agree with it; however, I would say that it was the neocon alliance with the evangelicals which spurred them to action, more than the society simply liberalising. That was more of a catalyst than anything else. A load of rapture ready types wouldn't have turned on to politics unless they had it explicitly stated to them it was pertinent to their faith in some manner.