Lesser of two evils

[haas mark]

Catholics shouldn't be blamed, but the Catholic Church should be destroyed (not by anyone, it needs to just destroy itself) because of the goddamn pedophile priests.

Should we disband law enforcement due to crooked cops? Shut down public schools because of promiscous teachers?

Deep reformation is needed, but complete destruction is a bit extreme. Weed out the bad parts, turn it into an organization that works.

Are crooked cops allowed to acquire employment in different precincts when they are caught? Do public school boards give pedophile teachers jobs in different districts when they are caught?

In addition to tolerating child-fucking priests on multiple occassions, the Catholic Church has consistently refused to adopt the completely reasonable zero-tolerance policy that any sane organization dealing with children constantly would instate, and in addition to this it has actually made accomodations to where pedophile priests can simply be moved when they are caught so they can continue to rape and abuse innocent children. The Catholic Church needs some serious reform, no doubt, but it has been nearly a year since these scandals broke and there has been no significant reform. I say fuck 'em.

I did ask that this would not be a basis of arguement. If you're going to debate it, you MUST look at the fact that there might be pedophiliacs in the Protestant ministry. Please stay on-topic.

[Joe]

I'm not really using this as a basis against Catholicism, just stating what I think about the Church. But it is off-topic, sorry.

[haas mark]

I'm not really using this as a basis against Catholicism, just stating what I think about the Church. But it is off-topic, sorry.

No problem.

[pecker]

Catholics shouldn't be blamed, but the Catholic Church should be destroyed (not by anyone, it needs to just destroy itself) because of the goddamn pedophile priests.

Should we disband law enforcement due to crooked cops? Shut down public schools because of promiscous teachers?

Deep reformation is needed, but complete destruction is a bit extreme. Weed out the bad parts, turn it into an organization that works.

Are crooked cops allowed to acquire employment in different precincts when they are caught? Do public school boards give pedophile teachers jobs in different districts when they are caught?

In addition to tolerating child-fucking priests on multiple occassions, the Catholic Church has consistently refused to adopt the completely reasonable zero-tolerance policy that any sane organization dealing with children constantly would instate, and in addition to this it has actually made accomodations to where pedophile priests can simply be moved when they are caught so they can continue to rape and abuse innocent children. The Catholic Church needs some serious reform, no doubt, but it has been nearly a year since these scandals broke and there has been no significant reform. I say fuck 'em.

Not that I know of any, but just because there isn't any sort of publicized reform doesn't mean there isn't any. Also, the American Catholic Church is sort of the redheaded stepchild of the Church.

That said, the Church is a huge organization, with many branches not pertaining to worship or church buildings proper. One of the good things about a Priest's vows is that they have few ties. Therefore, they can be sent to those shithole countries that normal people could never go to. Disbanding the Church woud do a good deal of harm as well as good.

Priests do A LOT more than simply lead mass.

[Joe]

Should we disband law enforcement due to crooked cops? Shut down public schools because of promiscous teachers?

Deep reformation is needed, but complete destruction is a bit extreme. Weed out the bad parts, turn it into an organization that works.

Are crooked cops allowed to acquire employment in different precincts when they are caught? Do public school boards give pedophile teachers jobs in different districts when they are caught?

In addition to tolerating child-fucking priests on multiple occassions, the Catholic Church has consistently refused to adopt the completely reasonable zero-tolerance policy that any sane organization dealing with children constantly would instate, and in addition to this it has actually made accomodations to where pedophile priests can simply be moved when they are caught so they can continue to rape and abuse innocent children. The Catholic Church needs some serious reform, no doubt, but it has been nearly a year since these scandals broke and there has been no significant reform. I say fuck 'em.

Not that I know of any, but just because there isn't any sort of publicized reform doesn't mean there isn't any. Also, the American Catholic Church is sort of the redheaded stepchild of the Church.

That said, the Church is a huge organization, with many branches not pertaining to worship or church buildings proper. One of the good things about a Priest's vows is that they have few ties. Therefore, they can be sent to those shithole countries that normal people could never go to. Disbanding the Church woud do a good deal of harm as well as good.

Priests do A LOT more than simply lead mass.

Point taken, but at this point the eyes of the world on the American Catholic Church, and it's up to American Catholics along with the clergy to prove to the world that modern Catholicism isn't just a joke. And so far, there haven't been great steps taken to prove this.

From the stubborness of the church on these matters, you'd think the future of the Church depended on the ability of priests to continue to rape children with impunity. Either the American Church needs to establish sweeping reform NOW, or Rome needs to intervene and force the American clergy to get its act together. The Church is going to be over unless it takes action very sson.

[pecker]

Agreed.

[haas mark]

Point taken, but at this point the eyes of the world on the American Catholic Church, and it's up to American Catholics along with the clergy to prove to the world that modern Catholicism isn't just a joke. And so far, there haven't been great steps taken to prove this.

There may not have been huge steps to do this, but it only takes a small tap to get a ball rolling.

From the stubborness of the church on these matters, you'd think the future of the Church depended on the ability of priests to continue to rape children with impunity. Either the American Church needs to establish sweeping reform NOW, or Rome needs to intervene and force the American clergy to get its act together. The Church is going to be over unless it takes action very sson.

Again, action is being taken (more than likely), but it is hard to notice because this is only the begining of what is going on.

[Evil Sadistic Bastard]

The church screws itself when it tries to preserve its image of morality but ends up being portrayed as a bunch of pedophiles covering up for each other.

[data_link]

The church screws itself when it tries to preserve its image of morality but ends up being portrayed as a bunch of pedophiles covering up for each other.

But what's really bad is that after screwing itself, it says masturabtion is immoral.

[Evil Sadistic Bastard]

The church screws itself when it tries to preserve its image of morality but ends up being portrayed as a bunch of pedophiles covering up for each other.

But what's really bad is that after screwing itself, it says masturabtion is immoral.

Damn straight. Also goes on to say that condoms are wrong, that abstinence should be practiced, yadda yadda yadda... and then they go make a kid blow them.

[haas mark]

The church screws itself when it tries to preserve its image of morality but ends up being portrayed as a bunch of pedophiles covering up for each other.

But what's really bad is that after screwing itself, it says masturabtion is immoral.

It's not the religion that says it's immoral, it's the people that misinterpret the Bible.

[Evil Sadistic Bastard]

The church screws itself when it tries to preserve its image of morality but ends up being portrayed as a bunch of pedophiles covering up for each other.

But what's really bad is that after screwing itself, it says masturabtion is immoral.

It's not the religion that says it's immoral, it's the people that misinterpret the Bible.

Could be. masturbation was originally called onanism, after Onan, who spilled his seed upon the ground to avoid generating offspring in his dead brother's name. Understandably, God was pissed. Now they go on to say ALL masturbation is immoral, which may not be true, although it might lead to the development of unhealthy sexual habits.

[haas mark]

Could be. masturbation was originally called onanism, after Onan, who spilled his seed upon the ground to avoid generating offspring in his dead brother's name. Understandably, God was pissed. Now they go on to say ALL masturbation is immoral, which may not be true, although it might lead to the development of unhealthy sexual habits.

Although that is true, Gos was pissed because he did it in his brother's name. Nowhere did it say that the actual action was immoral or wrond or a sin. Stupid interpretations. Grr.

[data_link]

All true guys, but that wasn't my point. Religion says screwing yourself is immoral. Religion is screwing itself... now do you get it?

[haas mark]

All true guys, but that wasn't my point. Religion says screwing yourself is immoral. Religion is screwing itself... now do you get it?

Yes we get it. We've also gone past that. But that is not to say religion itself is immoral.

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

Which is worse?

Catholicism or Preotestantism?

I know that the Catholics are more worthy of bashing due to pedophilic priests, but seriously, who's to say that it DOES NOT happen in other ministries? So, that can't really be a basis for answers, as we don't know what goes on behind closed doors in Protestant ministries.

I digress.

Anyways, are Catholics worse or Protestants? I know there are a lot of Catholic fundie-like poeple out there (hell, I've lived with them most of my life), but it seems that Protestant Fundies are are more prominent and widespread....

So....which is the lesser of two evils.

And please, no bashing at all of them, because if you bash all Catholics, it means you are bashing my family, and I take that to heart. So please keep that in mind, as I am sure there are others with similar backgrounds.

Both flavors of Christianity accept the Bible in it's unaltered form. The one with all the racism, evil, and hatred contained within. Thus, they are both equally evil.

[haas mark]

Which is worse?

Catholicism or Preotestantism?

I know that the Catholics are more worthy of bashing due to pedophilic priests, but seriously, who's to say that it DOES NOT happen in other ministries? So, that can't really be a basis for answers, as we don't know what goes on behind closed doors in Protestant ministries.

I digress.

Anyways, are Catholics worse or Protestants? I know there are a lot of Catholic fundie-like poeple out there (hell, I've lived with them most of my life), but it seems that Protestant Fundies are are more prominent and widespread....

So....which is the lesser of two evils.

And please, no bashing at all of them, because if you bash all Catholics, it means you are bashing my family, and I take that to heart. So please keep that in mind, as I am sure there are others with similar backgrounds.

Both flavors of Christianity accept the Bible in it's unaltered form. The one with all the racism, evil, and hatred contained within. Thus, they are both equally evil.

Technically, that is wrong. The unaltered for would be the Catholic Bible. Remember that the Protestant bible removes the Apocrypha.

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

Which is worse?

Catholicism or Preotestantism?

I know that the Catholics are more worthy of bashing due to pedophilic priests, but seriously, who's to say that it DOES NOT happen in other ministries? So, that can't really be a basis for answers, as we don't know what goes on behind closed doors in Protestant ministries.

I digress.

Anyways, are Catholics worse or Protestants? I know there are a lot of Catholic fundie-like poeple out there (hell, I've lived with them most of my life), but it seems that Protestant Fundies are are more prominent and widespread....

So....which is the lesser of two evils.

And please, no bashing at all of them, because if you bash all Catholics, it means you are bashing my family, and I take that to heart. So please keep that in mind, as I am sure there are others with similar backgrounds.

Both flavors of Christianity accept the Bible in it's unaltered form. The one with all the racism, evil, and hatred contained within. Thus, they are both equally evil.

Technically, that is wrong. The unaltered for would be the Catholic Bible. Remember that the Protestant bible removes the Apocrypha.

Yadda, yadda, yadda. Neither of them does anything about the Old Testament. The God of the Old Testament was a nasty fellow, no doubt about it.

[haas mark]

Yadda, yadda, yadda. Neither of them does anything about the Old Testament. The God of the Old Testament was a nasty fellow, no doubt about it.

What the fuck is your point? You have two choices, and all you do is state the obvious. In other words, you are so into hating Christians in general you basically want the institutions shut down so you can have your little atheist utopia. I asked which one is more evil; in other words modern-day. You speak of the OT as if it has everything to do with how people act in the real world.

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

Even if they both use the same holy book, we're talking about which one sticks to the holy book less. A fundie and a moderate Christian both have the same holy book, but they're different in their views.

[haas mark]

Even if they both use the same holy book, we're talking about which one sticks to the holy book less. A fundie and a moderate Christian both have the same holy book, but they're different in their views.

True that, but maybe the question, then, is which has more fundies? But then, we must also look at everything that they've done, past and present.

[ArmorPierce]

I'd say Protestants cause Catholics at least acknowledge evolution which is a lot saying that they at least put some merit into science but still put their beliefs first.

[haas mark]

I'd say Protestants cause Catholics at least acknowledge evolution which is a lot saying that they at least put some merit into science but still put their beliefs first.

So Protestants ar ethe LESSER evil? That makes no sense....

[data_link]

Nein. Protestants are the greater evil. Which makes a very good camapign slogan for protestant missionaries:

Why accept the lesser of two evils? Become a protestant!

[haas mark]

Nein. Protestants are the greater evil. Which makes a very good camapign slogan for protestant missionaries:

Why accept the lesser of two evils? Become a protestant!

*shudder* You truly are a cruel one, sometimes....