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Melchior
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UCBooties wrote: Ah, so you want total transparency, and you justify it by saying it wouldn't work in the real world. How many other little changes would we need for this to not turn into a gigantic screw all?
-I don't recall saying that i wanted it.
-The "grace period" would be fully acceptable
-A fact that you should know: Italy's president Berlusconi, made illegal modifications (he added a theatre, IRC) to one of his houses (which is in a nature preservation zone), and made them "state secret" for "security" reasons.
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Melchior wrote:-A fact that you should know: Italy's president Berlusconi, made illegal modifications (he added a theatre, IRC) to one of his houses (which is in a nature preservation zone), and made them "state secret" for "security" reasons.
I wouldn't use that as an argument in favor of total transparency, so much as one against corruption. As has been stated repeatedly, there are some things, military, government, legal, and commercial, that must remain secret, otherwise Bad Things can happen.
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Firefox wrote: I wouldn't use that as an argument in favor of total transparency.
True, it was just an example of the negative effects of limited transparency: the problem with total trasparency aren't easily resolved.
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Melchior wrote:
UCBooties wrote: Ah, so you want total transparency, and you justify it by saying it wouldn't work in the real world. How many other little changes would we need for this to not turn into a gigantic screw all?
-I don't recall saying that i wanted it.
-The "grace period" would be fully acceptable
-A fact that you should know: Italy's president Berlusconi, made illegal modifications (he added a theatre, IRC) to one of his houses (which is in a nature preservation zone), and made them "state secret" for "security" reasons.
Yes, and I said that was unaceptable and should be fully punishable. Sorry to jump down your throat but total transparency is idealistic, unworkable, and dangerous.
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UCBooties wrote: . Sorry to jump down your throat but total transparency is idealistic, unworkable, and dangerous.
Don't worry, I never believed that it could work, I only wanted to find more accurately the disadvantages,
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