Global warming sticky

[HyperionX]

Get your fucking eyes checking you retard. Jesus, do people see only what they want to see?

I'm prefectly capable of seeing, and, unlike you, capable of correctly interpeting the graphs.

You have yet to demostrate this.

No you fucking retard. It has already been shown that it isn't the cause now.

Show me a credible source.

How about that source by El Moose already posted in this thread. It clearly states that natural causes fall way short of explaining the warming in the past 50 years.

In fact, it has been shown that global dimming exists, mean we should be cooling down, not warming up based on solar irradiance. The burden of proof is exclusively on you.

"It has been shown?" Do you even hear yourself? Part of debating any subject is showing proof to back up your statements, which you seem to be incapable of doing.

Like I've said before, this has already been shown in previous debates time and time again. If you have had bothered to research it yourself you'll find you answer real fast. How about this: the very first result in Google when you type in "global dimming" will be just the evidence I need. Try it yourself, it'll be right there.

Use the archive forum. I hope your smart enough to find it.

Don't need to. I looked at all of your posts and you linked to a grand total of one page trying to show something about global warming, and that link was broken, so I don't even know what that was.

Your not looking hard enough.

No point in doing some again and again. Besides, this is the suggestion thread of a GW sticky, only that you like a dumbfuck want to come to in and prove exactly why such a thing is necessary.

No point in proving your point eh?

HyperionX you are entirely missing the point, and have shown yourself to not even be capable of debating in a rational manner.

Say that to yourself. You're the only one here who's way in over his head.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Sudden warming and cooling trends have occurred in prehistory independent of human interaction. I don't have my sources with me, but all I'll say now is that while temperatures have been as high or higher than now in the past, we have never had so rapid an increase in atmospheric CO2 accompany these temperature increases.

Its been a long time since I did large-scale climatology, but I'll tell you that anybody who says they understand "Global Warming" completely is working for a politician who wants to pass a law.

[Xero Cool Down]

You have yet to demostrate this.

I'm referring to the graphs in El Moose's post dumbass.

How about that source by El Moose already posted in this thread. It clearly states that natural causes fall way short of explaining the warming in the past 50 years.

THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID FUCKTARD. And you just contradicted your statements in previous posts.

Like I've said before, this has already been shown in previous debates time and time again. If you have had bothered to research it yourself you'll find you answer real fast. How about this: the very first result in Google when you type in "global dimming" will be just the evidence I need. Try it yourself, it'll be right there.

Saying "it's out there somewhere" is not a valid way to prove a statement.

Your not looking hard enough.

Then link to it yourself, because I looked through all of your posts in the three other threads you posted in concerning global warming.

Say that to yourself. You're the only one here who's way in over his head.

How so? El Moose's linked article proved everything I have said in this thread, while you continue to alter and backtrack on what you have said.

[Xero Cool Down]

Sudden warming and cooling trends have occurred in prehistory independent of human interaction. I don't have my sources with me, but all I'll say now is that while temperatures have been as high or higher than now in the past, we have never had so rapid an increase in atmospheric CO2 accompany these temperature increases.

See the pdf that El Moose linked to, it's happened quite a bit over just the last thousand years.

Its been a long time since I did large-scale climatology, but I'll tell you that anybody who says they understand "Global Warming" completely is working for a politician who wants to pass a law.

Oh not necessarily, I think just about any professor at any university with and interest in the environment could tell you quite a bit about global warming. Any field that has political impact tends to get alot of government grants thrown into it, so that is where most of the scientists will tend to concentrate.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Oh not necessarily, I think just about any professor at any university with and interest in the environment could tell you quite a bit about global warming. Any field that has political impact tends to get alot of government grants thrown into it, so that is where most of the scientists will tend to concentrate.

They'll tell you what they think, but "Global Warming" is a catchall academic term for "bad stuff is happening to the environment and we're not sure what's causing it".

[HyperionX]

You have yet to demostrate this.

I'm referring to the graphs in El Moose's post dumbass.

How about that source by El Moose already posted in this thread. It clearly states that natural causes fall way short of explaining the warming in the past 50 years.

THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID FUCKTARD. And you just contradicted your statements in previous posts.

You're unbelievable man, really.

Like I've said before, this has already been shown in previous debates time and time again. If you have had bothered to research it yourself you'll find you answer real fast. How about this: the very first result in Google when you type in "global dimming" will be just the evidence I need. Try it yourself, it'll be right there.

Saying "it's out there somewhere" is not a valid way to prove a statement.

You're an idiot. Plain and simple. It really is the first result in google when you look for "global dimming."

Your not looking hard enough.

Then link to it yourself, because I looked through all of your posts in the three other threads you posted in concerning global warming.

Well I guess admitting your inability to do simple tasks is better than acting like a jerk:

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 87#1419187
http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 64#1420764
http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 06#1421506
http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 03#1581403

Say that to yourself. You're the only one here who's way in over his head.

How so? El Moose's linked article proved everything I have said in this thread, while you continue to alter and backtrack on what you have said.

In other news, 2+2=5. Get real, that link of El Moose claims nothing of what you said.

[HyperionX]

Oh not necessarily, I think just about any professor at any university with and interest in the environment could tell you quite a bit about global warming. Any field that has political impact tends to get alot of government grants thrown into it, so that is where most of the scientists will tend to concentrate.

They'll tell you what they think, but "Global Warming" is a catchall academic term for "bad stuff is happening to the environment and we're not sure what's causing it".

No, it's more like you're just as clueless, biased, or just plain stupid as Xero and are ignoring the fact that GW is a virtually proven process and we're almost certain humans are causing it. And one more thing: "global warming" means global warming, (or "climate change" if you're picky, but that's basically the same thing), it's not a catchall term for anything within the scientific community.

[Xero Cool Down]

HyperionX, you're a fucking idiot, and most of the board agrees with me. I see no reason to continue this.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Oh not necessarily, I think just about any professor at any university with and interest in the environment could tell you quite a bit about global warming. Any field that has political impact tends to get alot of government grants thrown into it, so that is where most of the scientists will tend to concentrate.

They'll tell you what they think, but "Global Warming" is a catchall academic term for "bad stuff is happening to the environment and we're not sure what's causing it".

No, it's more like you're just as clueless, biased, or just plain stupid as Xero and are ignoring the fact that GW is a virtually proven process and we're almost certain humans are causing it. And one more thing: "global warming" means global warming, (or "climate change" if you're picky, but that's basically the same thing), it's not a catchall term for anything within the scientific community.

Sure, I'm clueless. I do shit like this for a living you little twerp, and I went to school for over half a decade to get good at it. The first mark of a real analytic mind is they don't blindly cling to an absolute like "Global Warming is evil and all our fault!" Fact is, climate change has been on the side of increasing temperature for a while, but that change has been going on since the rennaissance. CO2 levels are also increasing, but that could be more a function of the larger human population than industry. WE DON'T FUCKING KNOW FOR SURE! If it was a proven fact, there wouldn't be any controversy. That's why its called a "Theory".

If you get confused again, let me give this little example:
Physicists debate the THEORY of Relativity, but everyone is sold on the LAW of gravity.

Come back when you've got the "Law" of Global warming recognized by the whole of the academic community.

[HyperionX]

They'll tell you what they think, but "Global Warming" is a catchall academic term for "bad stuff is happening to the environment and we're not sure what's causing it".

No, it's more like you're just as clueless, biased, or just plain stupid as Xero and are ignoring the fact that GW is a virtually proven process and we're almost certain humans are causing it. And one more thing: "global warming" means global warming, (or "climate change" if you're picky, but that's basically the same thing), it's not a catchall term for anything within the scientific community.

Sure, I'm clueless. I do shit like this for a living you little twerp, and I went to school for over half a decade to get good at it. The first mark of a real analytic mind is they don't blindly cling to an absolute like "Global Warming is evil and all our fault!" Fact is, climate change has been on the side of increasing temperature for a while, but that change has been going on since the rennaissance. CO2 levels are also increasing, but that could be more a function of the larger human population than industry. WE DON'T FUCKING KNOW FOR SURE! If it was a proven fact, there wouldn't be any controversy. That's why its called a "Theory".

If you get confused again, let me give this little example:
Physicists debate the THEORY of Relativity, but everyone is sold on the LAW of gravity.

Come back when you've got the "Law" of Global warming recognized by the whole of the academic community.[/quote]

Real cute dumbass. WE KNOW FOR SURE, as in much beyond a reasonable doubt, that it is happening and that it is our fault. And like a clueless creationist dumbfuck you got theory and "law" confused. Just like the theory of evolution no one seriously doubts this "theory" either.

The first time I just thought you were merely trolling. Now I'm certain you're an idiot.

[Surlethe]

The first time I just thought you were merely trolling. Now I'm certain you're an idiot.

Pot, kettle, black?

Maybe you should read the thread. I do believe it has already addressed this point:

Real cute dumbass. WE KNOW FOR SURE, as in much beyond a reasonable doubt, that it is happening and that it is our fault.

As in,

...human production of wastes is not the only cause of global warming, and that the earth has naturally gone through periods of global warming that having only been exceeded in the last 60 years.

No one (or at least not me) is arguing that global warming is not occuring or that humans are not contributing it, simply that we are not the sole cause of it.

Fact is, climate change has been on the side of increasing temperature for a while, but that change has been going on since the rennaissance. CO2 levels are also increasing, but that could be more a function of the larger human population than industry. WE DON'T FUCKING KNOW FOR SURE!

I hope you don't need the obvious spelled out.

[HyperionX]

The first time I just thought you were merely trolling. Now I'm certain you're an idiot.

Pot, kettle, black?

Maybe you should read the thread. I do believe it has already addressed this point:

Real cute dumbass. WE KNOW FOR SURE, as in much beyond a reasonable doubt, that it is happening and that it is our fault.

As in,

...human production of wastes is not the only cause of global warming, and that the earth has naturally gone through periods of global warming that having only been exceeded in the last 60 years.

No one (or at least not me) is arguing that global warming is not occuring or that humans are not contributing it, simply that we are not the sole cause of it.

Fact is, climate change has been on the side of increasing temperature for a while, but that change has been going on since the rennaissance. CO2 levels are also increasing, but that could be more a function of the larger human population than industry. WE DON'T FUCKING KNOW FOR SURE!

I hope you don't need the obvious spelled out.

Oops! I meant to say it was CO2, as in our "fault" in producing the CO2, not just our natural large population. Anyways, CaptainChewbacca just made a creationism degree error which deserves an "idiot" accusation.

[HyperionX]

HyperionX, you're a fucking idiot, and most of the board agrees with me. I see no reason to continue this.

Great, you've convinced a bunch a people that I'm the idiot here and not you. That's not surprising, there's a number of people here who don't really like me.

Well anyways, guess what, there's a reason why I'm being particular grating with you. I'm not trying to make this a clean debate, I'm trying to find out whether or not you can think. Telling you to go to the first link from google instead of giving you that personally is an example. Something you've totally ignored, and now your just ignoring the issue altogether and hoping that calling someone an idiot will leave off the hook in the debate.

Great, you've got your personal vendetta down. Doesn't the facts of the debate.

[Xero Cool Down]

They don't like you because you are an idiot. I don't like you because you are ignoring the facts that have been presented while making statements of your own that you can't back up with a credible source, and that's why you got titled.

[HyperionX]

So you can't use the first link from google? Seriously do you expect me to buy that?

[Lord Zentei]

HyperionX, you're a fucking idiot, and most of the board agrees with me. I see no reason to continue this.

Great, you've convinced a bunch a people that I'm the idiot here and not you. That's not surprising, there's a number of people here who don't really like me.

Er, actually it was you who convinced us. Just FYI.

[Xero Cool Down]

So you can't use the first link from google? Seriously do you expect me to buy that?

You want me to do your research for you? Funny how you are latching onto this one thing and completely ignoring the fact that the credible evidence already present by El Moose discredits your comments about their not being any global warming before human production of greenhouse gases.

[HyperionX]

So you can't use the first link from google? Seriously do you expect me to buy that?

You want me to do your research for you? Funny how you are latching onto this one thing and completely ignoring the fact that the credible evidence already present by El Moose discredits your comments about their not being any global warming before human production of greenhouse gases.

Fine, if you so fucking lazy (or like being an asshole), here it is:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/ ... 53,00.html

And yes, that's the FIRST FUCKING HIT from google under global dimming. Took about 5 seconds.

And no, I never said there was never any GW before humans, but that it's your excuse: "It happened without us, therefore, it must be not us now too!" That's idiotic, and completely false, a point you absolutely refuse to accept. It is our fault right, and it's not natural or could even possibly be natural. Hence the need for a global warming sticky. Guys like you have your frigging head up your ass absolutely denying reality.

[Xero Cool Down]

Fine, if you so fucking lazy (or like being an asshole), here it is:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/ ... 53,00.html

I'm lazy?! That's a fucking laugh. Why didn't you do it yourself when you first started talking about global dimming? Either your to fucking lazy, or you're an asshole.

And yes, that's the FIRST FUCKING HIT from google under global dimming. Took about 5 seconds.

See above statement.

And no, I never said there was never any GW before humans,

Yes you did. I said:

The fact that global warming was occuring before we started dumping massing amounts of CO2 is proof that global warming is not entirely do to human production of greenhouse gases.

And you responded:

Which is blatantly false. Show me the evidence first if you're going to make such an idiot claim.

And I then referred to the graphs in El Moose's link, which clearly show trends of global warming and cooling before human began producing greenhouse gases.

but that it's your excuse: "It happened without us, therefore, it must be not us now too!"

I have never never even once said this and have, in nearly every single post, pointed out that I believe that the increase in temperature over the last 5-6 decades is from human pollution.

That's idiotic, and completely false, a point you absolutely refuse to accept.

Are you simply incapble of reading my posts?

It is our fault right, and it's not natural or could even possibly be natural.

I have never stated that the warming over the last few decades is natural, and have, on many occasions, pointed out that it is due to human pollution.

[HyperionX]

Fine, if you so fucking lazy (or like being an asshole), here it is:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/ ... 53,00.html

I'm lazy?! That's a fucking laugh. Why didn't you do it yourself when you first started talking about global dimming? Either your to fucking lazy, or you're an asshole.

And yes, that's the FIRST FUCKING HIT from google under global dimming. Took about 5 seconds.

See above statement.

Unlike you I actually went out and got the info. I assumed that since it was about 5 seconds away from you too I guess you could find it too. I was wrong.

And no, I never said there was never any GW before humans,

Yes you did. I said:

The fact that global warming was occuring before we started dumping massing amounts of CO2 is proof that global warming is not entirely do to human production of greenhouse gases.

And you responded:

Which is blatantly false. Show me the evidence first if you're going to make such an idiot claim.

You insinuated that GW right now is not entirely due to humans because it happened before. That whole claim is blatantly false even if certain aspects of it are true.

And I then referred to the graphs in El Moose's link, which clearly show trends of global warming and cooling before human began producing greenhouse gases.

Blips on a line. The whole line was heading downwards. Now it's a massive shift upwards. Those are not "trends."

but that it's your excuse: "It happened without us, therefore, it must be not us now too!"

I have never never even once said this and have, in nearly every single post, pointed out that I believe that the increase in temperature over the last 5-6 decades is from human pollution.

You've repeated claimed that we're not the sole cause, which is false.

That's idiotic, and completely false, a point you absolutely refuse to accept.

Are you simply incapble of reading my posts?

You did said it wasn't soley us doing it with absolutely no justification whatsoever, and that it wasn't decided. It's almost the same thing as denying it completely. Look, it has been decided, no if's or but's, and it's entirely our cause. Accept it.

It is our fault right, and it's not natural or could even possibly be natural.

I have never stated that the warming over the last few decades is natural, and have, on many occasions, pointed out that it is due to human pollution.[/quote]

You've repeated disputed it, question if we're the sole cause, or make the claim that it may be possible that it could be something else. Nothing is further from the truth.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Real cute dumbass. WE KNOW FOR SURE, as in much beyond a reasonable doubt, that it is happening and that it is our fault. And like a clueless creationist dumbfuck you got theory and "law" confused. Just like the theory of evolution no one seriously doubts this "theory" either.

The first time I just thought you were merely trolling. Now I'm certain you're an idiot.

Ok, Bumblefuck, you listen and you listen good. Current environmental data shows a correlation between the following:

1. Rising industrialization
2. Increasing Atmospheric CO2 levels
3. Increasing Global temperature.

Now, 1 & 2 correlate alot better than 1 & 3 based on what we know. HOW-FUCKING-EVER, we don't have a causal relationship, and we don't know all the effects. Your own link on "Global Dimming" proves that they're still trying to figure out what's going on with the planet's atmosphere, and that we don't know the whole story.

For example, SO2 has a COOLING effect on the atmosphere, and may be contributing to global dimming. SO2 comes largely from coal burning, which is the primary power-generation fuel of the third world. Should we expect it to balance out the CO2-related increases? Will CO2 levels continue to increase?

Never in human history have atmospheric CO2 levels been this high with current weather/temperature conditions, so while folks might predict what will happen, nobody knows.

[HyperionX]

Real cute dumbass. WE KNOW FOR SURE, as in much beyond a reasonable doubt, that it is happening and that it is our fault. And like a clueless creationist dumbfuck you got theory and "law" confused. Just like the theory of evolution no one seriously doubts this "theory" either.

The first time I just thought you were merely trolling. Now I'm certain you're an idiot.

Ok, Bumblefuck, you listen and you listen good. Current environmental data shows a correlation between the following:

1. Rising industrialization
2. Increasing Atmospheric CO2 levels
3. Increasing Global temperature.

Now, 1 & 2 correlate alot better than 1 & 3 based on what we know. HOW-FUCKING-EVER, we don't have a causal relationship, and we don't know all the effects. Your own link on "Global Dimming" proves that they're still trying to figure out what's going on with the planet's atmosphere, and that we don't know the whole story.

Ok 'tard, there's something known as the Greenhouse Effect. And it very adequately explains the connection between 2 and 3.

Moreover, the global dimming effect shows that we should be getting cooler, but we're not. What does that mean? The Earth is trapping more of the heat from the sun that before. Any idea what could be causing it? I think you do.

Last, there are no other know methods for which the Earth could be warming up, or have been shown to be false as the current time period. Leaving only the greenhouse effect as the only plausible explanation for 2 & 3.

Goddamn it's like going back to elementary school.

For example, SO2 has a COOLING effect on the atmosphere, and may be contributing to global dimming. SO2 comes largely from coal burning, which is the primary power-generation fuel of the third world. Should we expect it to balance out the CO2-related increases? Will CO2 levels continue to increase?

No and yes respectively. It's pretty obvious that SO2 isn't balancing out CO2 productions, and CO2 will continue to increase if we burn coal.

Never in human history have atmospheric CO2 levels been this high with current weather/temperature conditions, so while folks might predict what will happen, nobody knows.

Yes, the old cop-out. We don't know what'll happen so let's do nothing...

Sorry, but we do have an pretty damn good idea of what's gonna happen and that's rising sea levels, major climate change (this place get's dryer, that place get's wetter, hotter overall), more violent weather, etc. This is the weakest of excuses and it's shameful that you're pulling this one.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Real cute dumbass. WE KNOW FOR SURE, as in much beyond a reasonable doubt, that it is happening and that it is our fault. And like a clueless creationist dumbfuck you got theory and "law" confused. Just like the theory of evolution no one seriously doubts this "theory" either.

The first time I just thought you were merely trolling. Now I'm certain you're an idiot.

Ok, Bumblefuck, you listen and you listen good. Current environmental data shows a correlation between the following:

1. Rising industrialization
2. Increasing Atmospheric CO2 levels
3. Increasing Global temperature.

Now, 1 & 2 correlate alot better than 1 & 3 based on what we know. HOW-FUCKING-EVER, we don't have a causal relationship, and we don't know all the effects. Your own link on "Global Dimming" proves that they're still trying to figure out what's going on with the planet's atmosphere, and that we don't know the whole story.

Ok 'tard, there's something known as the Greenhouse Effect. And it very adequately explains the connection between 2 and 3.

Moreover, the global dimming effect shows that we should be getting cooler, but we're not. What does that mean? The Earth is trapping more of the heat from the sun that before. Any idea what could be causing it? I think you do.

No, that means that the combination of anthropogenic warming, cooling, and long-term climate trends is getting screwy in ways we don't fully know.

Last, there are no other know methods for which the Earth could be warming up, or have been shown to be false as the current time period. Leaving only the greenhouse effect as the only plausible explanation for 2 & 3.

Well, there's the Milankovitch cycle, long-term sunspot cycles, changes in deep-sea chemistry...

But you knew that already, right?

Goddamn it's like going back to elementary school.

Have you even BEEN out of elementary school? I mean, I have a degree in this, but what's your education beyond pulling out news articles?

For example, SO2 has a COOLING effect on the atmosphere, and may be contributing to global dimming. SO2 comes largely from coal burning, which is the primary power-generation fuel of the third world. Should we expect it to balance out the CO2-related increases? Will CO2 levels continue to increase?

No and yes respectively. It's pretty obvious that SO2 isn't balancing out CO2 productions, and CO2 will continue to increase if we burn coal.

If its so obvious, there wouldn't be any controversy. Fact is we don't know how the climate will develop as the third world industrializes and exploits different fuel sources.

Never in human history have atmospheric CO2 levels been this high with current weather/temperature conditions, so while folks might predict what will happen, nobody knows.

Yes, the old cop-out. We don't know what'll happen so let's do nothing...

Sorry, but we do have an pretty damn good idea of what's gonna happen and that's rising sea levels, major climate change (this place get's dryer, that place get's wetter, hotter overall), more violent weather, etc. This is the weakest of excuses and it's shameful that you're pulling this one.

Christ on a cracker, kid! You expect us to get alarmist with a "OMG WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT!!!111ONEONEONE" before we have it figured out? Right now earth's climate is changing. It appears that human pollution may have something to do with it, but it doesn't all add up. For example, the most significant temperature increases in the 20th century happened before 1940, yet more pollution was produced 1970-2000 than in the previous seven decades.

Sounds like there might be something else going on, eh?

[Surlethe]

I'll take bets on how long 'till this gets HoSed.

[CaptainChewbacca]

I'll take bets on how long 'till this gets HoSed.

Well, they already ran the poll to VI Hyperion based on this thread, so I'll guess "not too long".