What the FUCK? Can't they make up their fucking minds?

[TrailerParkJawa]

I prefer cold to hot. Where I live its mostly mild. We have a wet season and a dry season. Droughts are common though, until there is an El Nino then it rains every day for 4 months staight.

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As for global warming, it does not mean the temperature will rise in all locations of the Earth. Some areas will get warmer, some will get colder, etc.

Its really hard to tell, weather is not completely understood and modelling is not easy to do.

[Perinquus]

You know, the interesting thing about global warming is that even if it is turning warmer (and I am by no means convinced that it is), who's to say it's not a natural climactic change? The earth does have them you know. Up until the eleventh century A.D. the global temperature was a few degrees warmer than it is today. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records an unusually severe winter for the year 1046, worse than any in living memory. Ice cores taken from Greenland and the Antarctic show that the change continued through the 12th century. At the start of the thirteenth century a "little ice age" set in, and lasted about two hundred years.

Incidentally, this motivated people to invent the chimney, as they found a need to heat their homes more efficiently than with the old open fire and smoke hole in the roof. The climactic change also spelled the end of the Norse colony in Greenland. Fields that were formerly green with grass and suitable for cattle grazing became buried under ice (and still are mostly), people stopped immigrating there, and the small population proved to have an insufficiently large gene pool to be viable. The last English trading ship that went there in the 15th century found the few remaining inhabitants stunted and dwarfish. If the climate hadn't gotten colder, and the Greenland colony had kept expanding, maybe the Norse would have kept on pushing westward, and settled North America in the end.

If global warming is taking place, who's to say that it's not just the earth returning to the climactic conditions that prevailed a thousand years ago?

[TrailerParkJawa]

If global warming is taking place, who's to say that it's not just the earth returning to the climactic conditions that prevailed a thousand years ago?

We dont know, thats why it is so conterversial. The warming we are experiencing might just be us coming out of the last ice age.

[weemadando]

Frigging hell just LOOKING at that picture makes me shiver.

Australia. It's HOT down here.

Except in Tassie.

Last bastion of the antarctic. And the home of spiders (one of my friends just had an incident with a white-tail spider that was roughly 10 times bigger that they are supposed to grow.

[InnerBrat]

Y'know, the drowning out of the Gulf Stream is part of global warming - it's an effect of the ice cap melting! This had been old news for years.

Yes, the Earth has had many fluctuations in climate in its history, but many of these climactic changes have been asscoiated with mass extinctions and major changes in diversity - when we entered the current 'ice house' phase, many large mammals such as mammoths and great elks were reduced in number to suh an extent that they were easily picked off by the emerging predator - H. sapiens.

During the Holocene - since the diversification of H. sap, and especially recently, there has been rapid and devastatign climate change due to desertification, deforestation and in the last century, industrialisation.

The Earth can recover anything we throw at it, but humanity proably can't. And I'm not buying thaty a little environmental concern on the part of the US government would cripple the US economy (wish I had some numbers on me but..) your country has about 80% of the world's wealth, and donates the least to world causes.

Can you really be proud of your governments behaviour at the World Summit this summer? I'll admit that the UK reps were pretty bad themselves, but they are eating out of Bush's rectum at the moment.

[data_link]

I'll admit that the UK reps were pretty bad themselves, but they are eating out of Bush's rectum at the moment.

AHH, MY EYES! THE GOGGLES DO NOTHING!

[XPViking]

ESB,

Canada is colder than South Korea for the most part. Mind you, the northernmost provinces in South Korea can get quite a bit of snow. I hear North Korea gets fairly cold. Some Koreans just can't believe me when I tell them that I've experienced -50 degrees celsius weather.

I think though I'm getting wimpier as I live here longer. I'm more used to the heat and humidity now than when I first arrived.

XPViking

[Evil Sadistic Bastard]

ESB,

Canada is colder than South Korea for the most part. Mind you, the northernmost provinces in South Korea can get quite a bit of snow. I hear North Korea gets fairly cold. Some Koreans just can't believe me when I tell them that I've experienced -50 degrees celsius weather.

I think though I'm getting wimpier as I live here longer. I'm more used to the heat and humidity now than when I first arrived.

XPViking

Thanks, Viking dude. And I know what you mean - living in a tropical country really lowers your resistance to cold. I mean, I fucking freeze in a 14 degree Celsius room!

[MKSheppard]

I believe we need to introduce Mr. Wong to a typical Summer
Campaign in Washington DC........

[Ghost Rider]

Why man...the humidity alone would kill most normal people...and if he like cold that much that type of heat is probable to melt him.

I still want to know how the fuck we get 100 degree crap and we're this far up...is the pollution that bad here?

Don't answer rhetorical question...

As for his enjoyment of the snow...better than the heat.

[C.S.Strowbridge]

Good. Winter builds strong constitutions. I don't even bother zipping up my jacket until it hits -10C (14F).

Weren't we supposed to be entering a period of GLOBAL WARMING,
where the icecaps would melt?

And when they melt they reduce the saline levels in the oceans, which affects ocean currents, which can cause the temperature to drop, which causes more snow, which reflects light which lowers the energy from sunlight the Earth retains, which lowers the temperature, etc. Ecology is a fucking complex topic.

[TrailerParkJawa]

The Earth can recover anything we throw at it, but humanity proably can't. And I'm not buying thaty a little environmental concern on the part of the US government would cripple the US economy (wish I had some numbers on me but..) your country has about 80% of the world's wealth, and donates the least to world causes.

Billions, I mean billions of dollars pour out of the US to the rest of the world in three forms:

1) Direct Aid from the US to foreign govts
2) Money from foreign nationals working here sending some of their check home.
3) Consumers purchasing items produces abroad.

Yes, we are the richest nation on the planet but we produce that wealth and it does get around. If our economy was wrecked guess what happens to yours?

[MKSheppard]

Why man...the humidity alone would kill most normal people...and if he like cold that much that type of heat is probable to melt him.

Exactly. And then we have him drive around in an.....

UN AIR CONDITIONED CAR

In Washington on a typical JUNE day...

[Ghost Rider]

That would roast most anything on this planet Shep(I know..I've done it...and the wind does not help)

Why not put him in a sauna for 10 years...be more pleasent.

[MKSheppard]

That would roast most anything on this planet Shep(I know..I've done it...and the wind does not help)

Why not put him in a sauna for 10 years...be more pleasent.

I've done that......repeatedly......thanks to the fact that the compressor
is broken on our 1986 Nissan Maxima....

As long as all the windows are down and you're moving above 55 MPH,
it's bearable...

[Ghost Rider]

At 55...yes

At 35...no

Still not made for normal humans...and since Wong seems to like cold...that type of torture would not be well upon his health.

[MKSheppard]

Still not made for normal humans...and since Wong seems to like cold...that type of torture would not be well upon his health.

It's part of my plan to break Wong's will, and turn him into a Trekkie!

He'll crack after a few days of 95 F heat and 96% humidity.....

And then the programming shall begin, MWHAH AH AHHAHA

[Ghost Rider]

If that's your plan...you are a cruel evil man Shep.

Hmmm wonder if we could do that to trolls...put a group in that situation...wonder what would happen?

[C.S.Strowbridge]

it's all about grant $$$: I'm *just* old enough to remember when it was "The Population Bomb." When they can't milk global warming for any more money, it'll be something new.

Sadly, the serious threats like rampant dumping of industrial waste get totally overlooked.

Didn't "The Population Bomb" say we'd run out of food in the 70's, and we'd have mass starvations where billions would die?

Then Dwarf Wheat was developed and more food could be grown on the same amount of land. That's how it should work, someone identifies a problem, others work on the solution. But if we don't know there's a problem nothing's going to get done.

[C.S.Strowbridge]

Who said anything about extremely cold temperatures? 10 degrees below freezing is where it starts to feel cold.

I live in shorts and a t-shirt. Walked to get my nephew in a hailstorm, BBQed in a blizzard. All in shorts and a t-shirt.

Then again, I can't take it if the temperature reaches 20 degrees.

[HemlockGrey]

Who said anything about extremely cold temperatures? 10 degrees below freezing is where it starts to feel cold.

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The only conclusion I could have possibly draw from that photo isthat you are psychotic, masochistic, or Canadian.

I lik Shep's plan. Only, let's ship Wong out here to Philadelphia. Near all the factories and such, where you can read in the middle of the night because all the smog is is reflecting the city's light, and you can see it all the way out in the suburbs.

[Sea Skimmer]

The Earth can recover anything we throw at it, but humanity proably can't. And I'm not buying thaty a little environmental concern on the part of the US government would cripple the US economy (wish I had some numbers on me but..) your country has about 80% of the world's wealth, and donates the least to world causes.

48% and falling actually, and the US donates more then any other nation. We also have a big trade imbalance which sends tens of billions more to other countries, only thing that keeps some afloat.

[Colonel Olrik]

48% and falling actually, and the US donates more then any other nation. .

Portugal donates more than the U.S, as virtually all 1st world countries.
There's a thread somewhere where this was shown. And a quick google search will prove it, anyway.

As percentage of the GIP, of course. In sheer quantity, the U.S donates more, but that's hardly a fair comparison.

[Coyote]

We must remember that when the US donates something like 1% to a global cause, whereas the other nations donate 4% or so, that our 1% is the equivilent of the GNP of a lot of 'ordinary' nations.

I'm not arguing that we could do more, but truth is most folks don't fully comprehend the scale of the US economy. When AOL and Time Warner came together, more money was exchanged between these two private companies than the entire economy of Spain...

[Darth Wong]

We must remember that when the US donates something like 1% to a global cause, whereas the other nations donate 4% or so, that our 1% is the equivilent of the GNP of a lot of 'ordinary' nations.

I'm not arguing that we could do more, but truth is most folks don't fully comprehend the scale of the US economy. When AOL and Time Warner came together, more money was exchanged between these two private companies than the entire economy of Spain...

Is that something to be proud of? The fact that two shit-eating companies like AOL and Time-Warner have that much money?